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|SUBJECT ||Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:25:57 -0400
From: Ruben I Safir
Cc: Billy , hangout-at-nylxs.com
Subject: Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
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> Depends on how you look at it and who you ask. Brett registered the .org
> domain under his name and therefore is the legal owner of it. I believe that
> it was done in the spirit of keeping all NYLXS domains for NYLXS.
I don't buy into the idea that Brett did this for our sake, and I have
imperical evidence to give me this conculsion.
First, I already sent you the emails with the dates very early on
where I told him to assign the .org to us. This was repeatedly
the case over several months. Then he despreately tried to talk me
in to allowing him to take the computer, which I resisted, even through
the time period that the line was out. Then he refused to post his Unix 2
notes on the server. The he ran this alternate mailing list long
after it had any justification, whatsoever. He also registered NYFAIRUSE
right after I discussed that with him, and he's always limited access to that.
Overall, Brett has had a repeated behavior of trying to dominate the
assets of NYLXS and to force himself onto the organization without
bothering with the niceties of procedure or colaberation.
The negotiations you've come up with, thus far, has been to give him
everything he wants, with still no guarantee of getting the domain back.
No - he doesn't legally own the list, the site or the name NYLXS. And we've
spent several thousand dollars developing both the name recognition and the
organization. It's always easy to tear things down. It' really difficult
to build things. Furthermore, NYLXS IS undergoing incorperation NOW as
a non profit. It is a legal entity.
For example, look at NYFAIRUSE. It took me almost 2 years of drum beating
weekly before getting any sizeable work done and publicity for NYFAIRUSE,
and then people, including Brett, fell out of the sky and took credit and
posession of it's name and asets.
For another example, NYLXS needs to get flyers handed out this weekend for
the CUNY demo, and who's going to end up doing this? It will be me, and anyone
whose arm I can manage to twist to get to do this. Meanwhile, after building
everything up, and spending early mornings giving out flyers in the frosted
winter all of last year, Someone comes along, someone external to the
organizaiton, and decides their going to dictate the terms of the classes,
our mailing lists and our domain. And they've hurt us greatly in the
recruitment drive for the current classes.
It's bullshit. At least NYLXS has a responsible hierachtical leadership.
I really resented the implication in this message by a member of the board:
I will say that what Ruben does as an INDIVIDUAL should not be reflective of
NYLXS as a GROUP. Ruben you should act in accordance to what the board and
members feel is appropriate not what YOU think should be done.
At this time, I would like to see the following good faith measures acted
1 - Unblock Brett's packets so he can participate and receive hangout mail
2 - Ruben stop the spam from the NYLXS server and ANY OTHER server you have
under your control
3 - Configure the NYLXS server to allow the .org domain to mirror exactly
the .com server is, not an http redirect
What I do, in the capacity of Preident SHOULD BE reflective of NYLXS as a group.
That's why I was elected, and that's why I've worked so hard, with every
member of this organization. And I clearly, constitutionally, in the capacity
of the office, have GREAT latitude to do whatever I deem best for the
organzition. I work with the board, but I am not subjegated to it. And
this limited power ends in January when someone else WILL be the President,
and then THEY will have exactly the same authority I have.
And, actually, that's the difference between my decisions to bock
Brett's packets iafter he hijacked the class, and Brett holding the
NYLXS.org domain hostage, and his blatent interference with the FSI.
I have authority, and Brett's decisions are dictorial, and responsible to
Some people have a confused mind about the differnece between Representitive
Democracy and an Anarchist form of government. Democracy doesn't imply a
lack of hiearchy or a lack of central authority. Democracy implies
both. And then we go to the polls and we vote for a new leadership
after a set of time. And that's the check on power, and that's why it's
called a responsible government.
I've conducted all affairs of this organzition in an open and
co-operative fashion, and now I'm hoping that we are creating positive
precedences in judicial matters. And my hope is that come next year,
January is the election, I believe April to the turn over of power,
that I'm able to hand the organizaiton off to someone else with all it's
Democratic Institution intact, with a solid revue stream, and our major
projects are off the ground and entrenched.
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