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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:03:51 -0400
From: Ruben Safir
To: Ruben Safir
Cc: Alex Santic , hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com,
Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
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On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 12:00:36AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> See the eeditorial on the forst page of
> It's so fustratingly obvious
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 11:29:05PM -0400, Alex Santic wrote:
> > Greetings WWWACies,
> > I'm posting on behalf of the New York Soaring Towers Coalition. NYSTC was
> > formed by participants from the Listening to the City dialogues that
> > recently took place at the Javits Center and online. Our recommendations
> > have been added to the public record and are being reported to the LMDC and
> > public officials.
> > The majority of participants in the online Listening to the City event
> > strongly supported the idea that the skyline of Lower Manhattan should soar
> > back to its previous heights. There are strong indications that New Yorkers
> > in general feel the same way. NYSTC is dedicated to ensuring that the
> > sentiment among ordinary citizens for rebuilding as tall or taller than
> > before should not be ignored.
> > The choices we make at this critical time will go down in history. The world
> > and future generations will reflect on whether we were diminished by the
> > terror attacks or triumphed over them. We are committed to the prospect that
> > New York will not pass its peak of greatness in our lifetimes. In addition
> > to a moving memorial, we believe that the best way to honor the victims of
> > the 9/11 tragedy is to rebuild in a manner that stirs the spirit, respects
> > the strengths and unique character of our city, and lays the physical and
> > psychological groundwork for economic revitalization.
> > As our organization is just getting off the ground, we would like to hear
> > from talented designers who are sympathetic to our mission and would be
> > interested in donating time to the cause. We are seeking design proposals
> > for our logo, as well as a person to work on the graphic design of the
> > website.
> > If you are interested in contributing design expertise, write back to me
> > directly at topofmurrayhill-at-yahoo.com and please include a link to your
> > portfolio.
> > If you have questions about the organization, you can write to the founder,
> > Richard Krasney, at NY.soaringtowers-at-verizon.net.
> > To follow our progress, learn about meetings and contribute ideas, you can
> > register on the message board at http://www.soaringtowers.org. Please
> > consider introducing yourself in the Newcomers topic of the General
> > Discussion forum.
> > Thanks for your attention.
> > Alex Santic
> > NY Soaring Towers Coalition
> > "Taking Lower Manhattan back into the sky"
> > http://www.soaringtowers.org
> > ## Joint WWWAC Networking SIG/NYC-CHI Social Event -- Wednesday, 8/21 ##
> > ## The World Wide Web Artists' Consortium --- http://www.wwwac.org/ ##
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> To the Editor:
> I would like to respond to the editorial in your paper on July 31st,
> 2002 on the current process for creating a new developement at the World
> Trade Center site.
> While I agree that the previous attempts at drawing a new project at the
> site is so flawed, and unimagination that it is amazing how it's been
> allowed to continue as long as it has, I believe the basic outline the
> Times is recomending is just a continuation of the same flawed approach.
> On the beuatiful and warm fall morniong of September 11th last
> year, a huge scare was drivin into the collective psycy of our city.
> Every morning, when I would cross the Manhattan Brige from Brooklyn,
> the view of the Brooklyn Bridge, the Woolworth Building, and the Towers
> presented a form of uplifting urban sculpture with a message of hope.
> It represented a great city striving ever forward in both space and time.
> When comparing any of the plans for a replacement of the old towers, all
> one needs to do is to compare their models to a picture of the original
> towers, and it becomes instantly clear what we as New Yorkers, and
> especially those of us most affected, those of us who live in Brooklyn,
> and lived with the towers everyday, need in order to bring a closure to
> the viciuos attack on our city. Nothing short of a replacement of the
> grandure and spender of the origianl Towers is required for the health
> and long term economic wellbeing of our city.
> We just need them a little taller.
> All the proposals for the memorial will end up with an under utilized
> space which doesn't well serve the memory of our lost nieghbors, nor
> will it help fix the most important economic issue that we face when
> examining honestly, and without bais, the true cost to our city. If we
> refuse to rebuild the towers our city will continue for decades to live
> in fear and never be healed of the psycological scares which translate
> into real financial losses as all our landmarks continue to loose rent
> from the fear that they will be targeted next.
> What I would propose is not only Towers of similar design to the original
> one, but we should add some important improvements. For one, the towers
> should have expanded Sky Lobbies with Aviaries, Restaurants, and Art
> Galleries embed in them. They should be redesgned as models of ecological
> experieemntation, and the most modern of high tech communications.
> And on the top floor, they need to and a new 5 story, open window and
> open air exhibit as a memorial to the victems with an eternal flame and
> a biography of each victem. And the last floor should be a celebration
> of the spirit of NYC, with a full size theater for programs, and the arts.
> This will drive realestate prices downtown and attract world-wide tourism,
> not to mention fix our ruined skyline. Our Skyline is New York City's
> greatest economic asset, and we can not afford to allow it to remain
> In order to protect the Towers, we simply need to do what should have
> been done years ago. New York City as a whole is a world wide target
> of terrorists. Congress was repeatedly warned prior to attack last
> fall of the unique nature and problems of Manhattan Island as a whole.
> These problems do not disapear simply because we refuse to build our
> Towers. Instead, the Empire State Building, the Crysler Builder, the
> Statute of Liberty, the Brooklyn Bridge, 26 Federal Plazza, the United
> Nations and Verrazano Bridge are targets.
> New York Harbor is the most important strategic asset in North America.
> It must be militarized, and it must become a no fly zone. To this day
> it is without reason that commercial aircraft fly right over Manhattan
> Island. This has to end, and the airspace over Manhattan must become
> a no fly zone. Anything that flies over it must be shot down from our
> traditional military posts in Fort Hamilton, Governors Island, Fort
> Totten and Whitestone.
> In addition, our military response needs to me more forceful. It must
> be made clear that the consequences of an attempted attack on American
> Soil comes at a heavey price. We have not yet even begun to unfold
> the might of the American Military on our known enemies who supported
> this attack. This includes not just the terrorists in Afghanastan,
> but also the military rulers of Iraq, Iran, North Korean and Syria.
> And we must stop playing diplomatic games with nations like Saudi Arabia
> and Egypt which continues to pump government spounsored anti-American,
> and anti-semitic rhetoric into the daily press.
> Lastly, the New York TImes endorsement for the underground infrastructure
> is bewildering. The initial description of the Downtown Subway system as
> "disorganized web of subway lines" is just wrong. Those lines between
> Brooklyn and Manhattan are smartly laid out for the purpose they were to
> serve, which was connecting Brooklyn to Manhattan. Downtown Manhattan
> has wonderful access with Brooklyn, the largest Borough in the City.
> >From the financial district all the way to City Hall, one doesn't have to
> walk more than a block to gain access to midtown or the outer boroughs.
> Instead, the Times is suggesting to somehow rip up the currently easy
> to access system and move the entire node to no mans land in the West.
> In the process, what would happen is that Brooklyn would be effectively
> cut off of our own city, and the convient servces from the Borough
> Hall, and Altlantic Ave/Dekalb Ave hubs would become useless. This is
> not acceptable. Stop wasting our money on such poor ideas. Instead,
> build the 2nd Avenue Subway as it was originally designed, running all
> the way to the Hoyt/Schermehorn super station and through Brooklyn, and
> get serious about fixing the Manhattan Bridge. The only thing that needs
> to be fixed under the World Trade Center site is a better designed node
> that connects the A,E,N.R, and West Side IRT lines, and a rebuilding of
> the Path Train Connection.
> Ruben Safir
> Co-founder and lead writer of Brooklyn on Line
> 1600 East 17th Street
> Brooklyn USA 11230
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