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DATE 2002-08-01

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MESSAGE
DATE 2002-08-15
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Internet Society on Digital Restrictions Management

While this looks good, it makes some fundemental erros which play into the hands
of the RIAA


> be kept in balance with other rights and interests. In
> particular, copyright law is a kind of "bargain" between
> rights owners and consumers.

This is a HUGE error.

There is NO copyright bargain in the security of the home and with
regards to the private property of individual citizens.

In my hoome, I MUST have the complete right to do with my
computer and media as I wish. Anything less is theft
and undermins the foundation for democratic discourse.

As Richard said in France at the LSM, Copyright is an industrial
law and a business regulation. We can not have it alter the use
of our personal property, of which information is one suc kind of
property. Who owns the DISKS. The free citizen who purchased it
and reuses it for non-commercial use.

In addition, publishers must never prevent even in the
comerical arena the use of copyrighted materials for
business. They MUST BE FORCED to publish, or loose their
copyright. If a market value can not be obtained for the cost of
information, then a reasonable price should ibe set, one which
allows for the growth and development of new works, reuse and
new distribution models.

> Copyright, except in rare
> instances, is not perpetual, and there are a wide range of
> fair use exceptions to copyright that limit its restraints.
> Without these limits, copyright would soon become an
> oppressive burden on creativity and freedom of expression.


This whole logic is flawed. Fair Use can not remain an exception
to copyright once it tamples the 1st and 4th amendments. Since
these rights are the trump cards in all other legal matters,
the entire legal premise of fairuse MUST be turned around.

All the current common law in this matter has to be turned
over to deal with the new technological realities.


> The Internet Society acknowledges these policy

> considerations, but also believes that there are other even
> more persuasive arguments, based on sound engineering and
> technological principles, that show the folly of government
> mandated technology.
>
> Technology mandates are inherently anti-innovative. The
> entire concept of a mandate is that it freezes a particular
> technology at a point in time, and inhibits research and
> development on new and better technology. Technological
> standards are desirable and even necessary for widespread
> implementation of new technology, but all standards sooner
> or later must give way to new standards. This process should
> not be impeded by legislation that effectively prohibits
> research and development.
>
> A classic illustration of the dangers of DRM legislation may
> be found in legislation enacted by many countries as part of
> their treaty obligations under the World Intellectual
> Property Organization (WIPO) copyright treaties. The
> so-called Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), passed by
> the United States Congress in 1998, is an example. Under the
> WIPO treaties, the United States, like the other countries
> bound by the treaties, had an obligation to "provide 'legal
> protection and effective legal remedies' against
> circumventing technological measures, e.g., encryption and
> password protection, that are used by copyright owners to
> protect their works from piracy . . ." [See S. Rep. No.
> 105-190, at 8, 10-11 (1998)]. The DMCA, in responding to
> this obligation, illustrates the "law of unintended
> consequences." While purporting to help copyright owners, it
> seriously threatens research in the field of encryption for
> security.
>
> The DMCA prohibits "circumvention" of existing technological
> measures (such as encryption) that control access to a work
> and encryption; it prohibits "trafficking" in technology
> designed to circumvent access control; and it prohibits
> "trafficking" in technology designed to circumvent copying.
> These prohibitions are subject to certain exceptions; the
> DMCA acknowledges rights of fair use, so that, in certain
> limited circumstances, circumvention of copying protection
> for purposes of fair use of an encrypted work does not
> violate the act.
>
> Another important exception is the separate provision of the
> DMCA that allows circumvention of access controls for the
> purpose of encryption research to identify flaws and
> vulnerabilities of encryption technology. This provision is
> narrowly drawn with explicit conditions relating to good
> faith in performing research. Most significantly, the
> exception is for access only; it does not permit what the
> act refers to as trafficking in such research.
>
> The danger to research presented by statutes like the DMCA
> is best illustrated by a real world example of a researcher
> in the field of encryption. Just because cryptography can be
> or is being used for purposes other than copyright
> protection, does not mean it is not also used for copyright
> protection and therefore subject to the provision of the
> DMCA. Although a researcher may be looking at a certain type
> of cryptographic technology that is used to protect packets
> containing information in the public domain, that same
> technology might also be used to protect other packets that
> contain copyrighted data, unknown to the researcher.
> Likewise, a researcher might attempt to break the protection
> on an item without realizing that the protected item is a
> copyrighted work, which may not be discovered, if at all,
> until it is too late. But the issue isn't whether the
> researcher has cracked the protection - the issue is what
> the researcher may do with the resulting information.
>
> A central question for encryption researchers is whether
> publishing the results of their research amounts to
> disseminating something whose primary purpose is to
> circumvent copyright protection. Under the DMCA, the act of
> circumventing access controls for good faith research,
> standing alone, is, generally speaking, legitimate. This
> does not present great problems to researchers. However,
> when the researcher then wishes to publish the results of
> the research, the DMCA provides a test of the intent of the
> original circumvention that depends on whether the
> subsequent publication is made to "advance the state of
> knowledge" of encryption research, or whether it is made "in
> a manner that facilitates infringement." In other words, if
> the researcher acts in good faith to circumvent access
> control and publishes with the intent of reaching other
> researchers, but the information ends up being "disseminated
> in a manner that facilitates infringement," then the
> original circumvention of the access controls may have been
> illegal. Since there are both civil and criminal remedies
> available to copyright owners, the researcher faces serious
> dilemmas in deciding whether, how and when to publish.


Nobody cares about the encryption research angle, even if it's
important. Not a singe vote will be changed by this.

And it's NOT NEEDED. The real threat is that libraries will
be illegal and students will graduate college without any
of their text books and notes.


THIS is hair raising.


>
> There are already court decisions in the United States and
> elsewhere involving both civil and criminal aspects of the
> publication of encryption research. Many prominent figures
> in the field have already spoken out against the chilling
> effect of legislative interference with research in
> technology. The Internet Society calls on the legislatures
> of the world to limit the damage caused by shortsighted
> legislative efforts, intended to carry out the seemingly
> high-minded purposes of the copyright treaties, that instead
> threaten the advancement of science and technology.
>
> About ISOC
>
> The Internet Society is a not-for-profit membership
> organization founded in 1991 to provide leadership in the
> management of Internet related standards, educational, and
> policy development issues. It has offices in Washington, DC
> and Geneva, Switzerland. Through its current initiatives in
> support of education and training, Internet standards and
> protocol, and public policy, ISOC has played a critical role
> in ensuring that the Internet has developed in a stable and
> open manner. It is the organizational home of the Internet
> Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture
> Board (IAB), the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG)
> and other Internet-related bodies.
>
> For over 10 years ISOC has run international network
> training programs for developing countries which have played
> a vital role in setting up the Internet connections and
> networks in virtually every country that has connected to
> the Internet during this time, while at the same time
> working to protect the Internet's stability. ISOC is taking
> the next step in this evolution with the recent announcement
> of its intent to bid for the .ORG registry based on the
> belief that a thriving non-commercial presence is a key
> element in developing a strong social and technical
> infrastructure in all nations. For additional information
> see http://www.ISOC.org.
>
> --- end forwarded text
>
> -----------------
> R. A. Hettinga
> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation
>
> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
> "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and
> antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been
> found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline
> and Fall of the Roman Empire'
>
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  87. 2002-08-09 From: "Michael E. George" <meg7-at-nyu.edu> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  88. 2002-08-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  89. 2002-08-09 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> RE: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  90. 2002-08-09 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> RE: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  91. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: boat trip
  92. 2002-08-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: boat trip
  93. 2002-08-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: boat trip
  94. 2002-08-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: boat trip
  95. 2002-08-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: boat trip
  96. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: boat trip
  97. 2002-08-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: boat trip
  98. 2002-08-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: boat trip
  99. 2002-08-09 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  100. 2002-08-09 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  101. 2002-08-09 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Class Location Idea
  102. 2002-08-09 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Class Location Idea
  103. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FCC meeting on C-SPAN
  104. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FCC meeting on C-SPAN
  105. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  106. 2002-08-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  107. 2002-08-08 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] FCC meeting on C-SPAN
  108. 2002-08-08 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] FCC meeting on C-SPAN
  109. 2002-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Show 'em Knoppix
  110. 2002-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Show 'em Knoppix
  111. 2002-08-08 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] quick question
  112. 2002-08-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  113. 2002-08-08 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow
  114. 2002-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
  115. 2002-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
  116. 2002-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
  117. 2002-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Seeking designers for NY Soaring Towers Coalition
  118. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  119. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  120. 2002-08-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  121. 2002-08-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  122. 2002-08-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Databases Everywhere
  123. 2002-08-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Databases Everywhere
  124. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  125. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Summeer party
  126. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Summeer party
  127. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  128. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  129. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Demo
  130. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Demo
  131. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Jounal
  132. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Jounal
  133. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FYI
  134. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FYI
  135. 2002-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Databases Everywhere
  136. 2002-08-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  137. 2002-08-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  138. 2002-08-17 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> RE: [hangout] RPM HELL
  139. 2002-08-17 From: "j. ercole" <ercole-at-speakeasy.org> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  140. 2002-08-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  141. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  142. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  143. 2002-08-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  144. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  145. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  146. 2002-08-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  147. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] grepping
  148. 2002-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] grepping
  149. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] LaGuardia any?
  150. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute Education Program
  151. 2002-08-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia any?
  152. 2002-08-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia any?
  153. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Summer Blast-off
  154. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Summer Blast-off
  155. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  156. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Thank you for the great CPE program this year
  157. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Thank you for the great CPE program this year
  158. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Server on DSL?
  159. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Server on DSL?
  160. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Safe Form Data
  161. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Safe Form Data
  162. 2002-08-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Server on DSL?
  163. 2002-08-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Server on DSL?
  164. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  165. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  166. 2002-08-16 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  167. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  168. 2002-08-16 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  169. 2002-08-16 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source Rally Cry/Call to Arms
  170. 2002-08-16 alex <alexc2649-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  171. 2002-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  172. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  173. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  174. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  175. 2002-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  176. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  177. 2002-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I need secondary (slave) servers
  178. 2002-08-16 From: "j. ercole" <ercole-at-speakeasy.org> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  179. 2002-08-16 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] RPM HELL
  180. 2002-08-16 From: "j. ercole" <ercole-at-speakeasy.org> Re: [hangout] Re: your mail
  181. 2002-08-16 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] I need secondary (slave) servers
  182. 2002-08-16 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  183. 2002-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hey Paul
  184. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Mission
  185. 2002-08-15 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  186. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Vote for a Boat for Aug 24th
  187. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  188. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  189. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  190. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  191. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [joek-at-dtg-usa.com: [wwwac] Jr. C/UNIX Programmers- Recruiter]
  192. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [joek-at-dtg-usa.com: [wwwac] Jr. C/UNIX Programmers- Recruiter]
  193. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Oligopolist moves some stuff to GNU/Linux
  194. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  195. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  196. 2002-08-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  197. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Internet Society on Digital Restrictions Management
  198. 2002-08-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  199. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RPM HELL
  200. 2002-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RPM HELL
  201. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] phpgroupware wonderstuff
  202. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] phpgroupware wonderstuff
  203. 2002-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] NYC-CHI Social Wed. Aug. 21 6:30-8:30 [sweiss-at-usableproducts.com]
  204. 2002-08-14 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Pleeze Pleeze
  205. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Help with find in Bash [201317289277747490006-at-spamex.com]
  206. 2002-08-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Pleeze Pleeze
  207. 2002-08-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Pleeze Pleeze
  208. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for August 13, 2002 [listsupport-at-internet.com]
  209. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for August 13, 2002 [listsupport-at-internet.com]
  210. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  211. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  212. 2002-08-13 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] state of affairs summary: Hollywood vs. us
  213. 2002-08-13 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] state of affairs summary: Hollywood vs. us
  214. 2002-08-13 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  215. 2002-08-13 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  216. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  217. 2002-08-13 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  218. 2002-08-13 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  219. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  220. 2002-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  221. 2002-08-13 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  222. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?]
  223. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?]
  224. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  225. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DSL through PPoE?
  226. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY DEMO
  227. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY DEMO
  228. 2002-08-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source in California....
  229. 2002-08-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Source in California....
  230. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  231. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Boat Update
  232. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Boat Update
  233. 2002-08-12 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  234. 2002-08-12 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  235. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  236. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  237. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  238. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  239. 2002-08-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Strength of Free Software
  240. 2002-08-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Strength of Free Software
  241. 2002-08-12 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  242. 2002-08-12 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  243. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  244. 2002-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Boats
  245. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  246. 2002-08-12 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Boats
  247. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  248. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  249. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  250. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  251. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  252. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] X-chat and ident service
  253. 2002-08-12 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Boats?
  254. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Boats?
  255. 2002-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Boats?
  256. 2002-08-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  257. 2002-08-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  258. 2002-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Office tutorial from the Line Journal
  259. 2002-08-24 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] should I chroot my name servers?
  260. 2002-08-24 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] should I chroot my name servers?
  261. 2002-08-23 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] should I chroot my name servers?
  262. 2002-08-23 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] should I chroot my name servers?
  263. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] An addition point to our phone conversation
  264. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] An addition point to our phone conversation
  265. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] An addition point to our phone conversation
  266. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] An addition point to our phone conversation
  267. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Why is it these people are SOOOOO Stupid
  268. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Why is it these people are SOOOOO Stupid
  269. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  270. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Organization and Achiving Goals
  271. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] email programs
  272. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] email programs
  273. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Cruise on Newsforge front page
  274. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Cruise on Newsforge front page
  275. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] NYC bookstore for Linux books
  276. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] NYC bookstore for Linux books
  277. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Immense value of X Terminal Demo
  278. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Immense value of X Terminal Demo
  279. 2002-08-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Also awake...
  280. 2002-08-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Also awake...
  281. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Lindows faces a reality check
  282. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYC bookstore for Linux books
  283. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Also awake...
  284. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] email programs
  285. 2002-08-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] email programs
  286. 2002-08-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Office Class
  287. 2002-08-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bordeaux Freance had a good Menu
  288. 2002-08-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] A recision is a good thing
  289. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pagging Joe Grastara
  290. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pagging Joe Grastara
  291. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Beer Ball
  292. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Beer Ball
  293. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Houston to Ruben, Houston to Ruben, Houston to Ruben
  294. 2002-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Causative reasons for the Civil War
  295. 2002-08-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Causative reasons for the Civil War
  296. 2002-08-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Causative reasons for the Civil War
  297. 2002-08-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> RE: [hangout] ASHA move
  298. 2002-08-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> RE: [hangout] ASHA move
  299. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [dplist-admin-at-danielpipes.org: #247: Pipes & Schanz er on "Saddam's Rap Sheet"]
  300. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Office tutorial from the Line Journal
  301. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open Office tutorial from the Line Journal
  302. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn News
  303. 2002-08-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn News
  304. 2002-08-21 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday 21 August 2002 WWWAC Drinking and Eating
  305. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [procmail-at-tradersdata.com: Reciepe Problem
  306. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [procmail-at-tradersdata.com: Reciepe Problem
  307. 2002-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I miss...
  308. 2002-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debian install
  309. 2002-08-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  310. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ann
  311. 2002-08-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  312. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  313. 2002-08-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  314. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  315. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  316. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  317. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  318. 2002-08-19 Justin Clift <justin-at-postgresql.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  319. 2002-08-19 Justin Clift <justin-at-postgresql.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  320. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hurry, get links to nyfairuse and NYLXS in at this story just posted
  321. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] OOo...the Vision thing
  322. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] All Hail PHPGROUPWARE
  323. 2002-08-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] All Hail PHPGROUPWARE
  324. 2002-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  325. 2002-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  326. 2002-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  327. 2002-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  328. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  329. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  330. 2002-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  331. 2002-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  332. 2002-08-19 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  333. 2002-08-19 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] A New Way to Influence Washington
  334. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  335. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL
  336. 2002-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RPM HELL
  337. 2002-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RPM HELL
  338. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Think bigger than Tara
  339. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Think bigger than Tara
  340. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  341. 2002-08-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  342. 2002-08-19 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  343. 2002-08-19 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  344. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: nylxs move (fwd)
  345. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [novalug] Fwd: Re: [hangout] Fwd: Department of Commerce Report [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] [a1enviro-at-cloud9.net]
  346. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show on Sunday..
  347. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Department of Commerce Report [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  348. 2002-08-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: GNU/Linux Free SOftware Organization to offer you free (as in Beer)training [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  349. 2002-08-29 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] ASHA
  350. 2002-08-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Hangout-Clone List Admin Message for Brett Wynkoop
  351. 2002-08-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  352. 2002-08-28 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  353. 2002-08-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  354. 2002-08-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  355. 2002-08-28 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  356. 2002-08-28 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  357. 2002-08-28 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  358. 2002-08-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] [events-at-mail.lokmail.net: Tonight! Reverend Billy at Den of Cin- Campaign to ReClaimThe.Net]
  359. 2002-08-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] [events-at-mail.lokmail.net: Tonight! Reverend Billy at Den of Cin- Campaign to ReClaimThe.Net]
  360. 2002-08-28 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Linux Oct 23 at LAGCC
  361. 2002-08-28 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Linux Oct 23 at LAGCC
  362. 2002-08-28 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  363. 2002-08-28 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  364. 2002-08-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RADIO SHOW
  365. 2002-08-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RADIO SHOW
  366. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  367. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  368. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  369. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  370. 2002-08-27 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  371. 2002-08-27 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] June Journal HTML Complete
  372. 2002-08-27 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  373. 2002-08-27 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  374. 2002-08-27 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  375. 2002-08-27 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  376. 2002-08-27 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Important read...
  377. 2002-08-27 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Important read...
  378. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  379. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  380. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  381. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Denmark
  382. 2002-08-27 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  383. 2002-08-27 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  384. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Suggestions for classes
  385. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Suggestions for classes
  386. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suggestions for classes
  387. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Membership Web Pages
  388. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  389. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  390. 2002-08-27 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  391. 2002-08-27 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  392. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  393. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  394. 2002-08-27 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  395. 2002-08-27 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  396. 2002-08-27 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  397. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  398. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Closing Down Asha
  399. 2002-08-27 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Walmart
  400. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Denmark
  401. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Demo topics and schedule, [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  402. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Demo topics and schedule, [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  403. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Walmart
  404. 2002-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Walmart
  405. 2002-08-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] cruise 2
  406. 2002-08-26 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  407. 2002-08-26 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  408. 2002-08-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  409. 2002-08-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  410. 2002-08-26 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  411. 2002-08-26 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia Demo: Nailing down the program
  412. 2002-08-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  413. 2002-08-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  414. 2002-08-26 bruce ingalls <bingalls-at-fit-zones.com> Subject: [hangout] cruise 2
  415. 2002-08-26 bruce ingalls <bingalls-at-fit-zones.com> Subject: [hangout] cruise 2
  416. 2002-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Recording Music
  417. 2002-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Recording Music
  418. 2002-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  419. 2002-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  420. 2002-08-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  421. 2002-08-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  422. 2002-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  423. 2002-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  424. 2002-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  425. 2002-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Boat Ride
  426. 2002-08-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] GPS Log
  427. 2002-08-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Bordeaux Freance had a good Menu
  428. 2002-08-25 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  429. 2002-08-25 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Demo topics and schedule,
  430. 2002-08-19 From: "j . ercole" <ercole-at-speakeasy.org> Re: [hangout] RPM HELL

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