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| DATE | 2003-05-05 |
| FROM | Ruben I Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Puppet President and Major Structural Problems
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Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:02:47 -0400
From: Ruben I Safir
To: "Joseph A . Maffia"
Cc: Ruben I Safir ,
Marco Scoffier , hangout
Subject: Re: [hangout] Puppet President and Major Structural Problems
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What are you in a bizzarro world. I got the .com because I registered it.
I got the .org because Marco told me what it was (incorrectly) and I guessed it correctly.
I got the .net because you gave it to me, or kevin gave it to me.
As for reading your mail, screw you. I do not.
But I resign as your system admin. I'm not doing it any more. Change the
root passwords and I'm not touching your boxes any more.
I AM DONE. And don't worry about me going into your office any longer either.
I'm returning the key this week.
Ruben
On 2003.05.05 13:34 Joseph A. Maffia wrote:
> Ruben,
> That is not true - you have read my emails - take things off my desk and
> never consulted me. How did you get the .org password? How did you get the
> .net password? That is not right - I have asked you to stop and yet it
> continues. Please stop reading my email.
>
>
> Joe
>
>
> At 12:41 PM 05/05/2003 -0400, Ruben I Safir wrote:
>
> >Your wrong Marco...
> >
> >Nothing is stolen, you have full access to the server, and you full powers
> >to do wha you want. The staff has full control of the sites, and you even
> >have
> >a key to the front door.
> >
> >As for reading Joe Maffia's mail, forget that accuation. It's
> >bullshit. The last time
> >he leveled that at me he had to appologize when it was shown to be wrong.
> >
> >If you want to make the efforts to turn over the server, YOU DO IT.
> >
> >I'm not doing it.
> >
> >Your as much of a puppet as you want to be.... or not.
> >
> >Ruben
> >
> >
> >
> >On 2003.05.05 12:37 Marco Scoffier wrote:
> > >
> > > Ruben, I am afraid that Dave makes some very valid points.
> > > Every reasonable person who gets some knowledge about how NYLXS works
> > > would come to the same conclusion. Just like every resonable person who
> > > pokes around the webserver gasps, "what a mess".
> > >
> > > NYLXS is very far from a democracy. You have absolute control and
> > > refuse to give up the reigns.
> > >
> > > You personally have the passwords to every domain which had been in
> > > question. You even managed to steal the password to nylxs.org before I
> > > had a chance to change it, by reading Joe Maffia's email which I find
> > > inconceivable and just smells really wrong.
> > >
> > > You are also the only person to have root access to the server, meaning
> > > that no matter what anyone does you are the ultimate censor.
> > >
> > > If people felt that they had more control over the parts of the
> > > organisation of which they have been put in charge, they would work much
> > > much more.
> > >
> > > I haven't done very much since I was elected president, because I am a
> > > puppet, absolutely everything I would think of doing is ultimatly
> > > censored by you. And I'm sorry, but as much as I respect you, this is a
> > > major concern.
> > >
> > > If you want a vibrant democratic group, NYLXS needs some major
> > > structural overhaul, and some sensible proceedings such as those put
> > > forth by Dave and Michael about PR.
> > >
> > > I would further suggest:
> > >
> > > 1) a week of website overhaul to implement the templating system I have
> > > 90% finished and to fix some weirdnesses such as the date entry on the
> > > scheduling page, which makes the entries virtually unuseable by anyone
> > > but you. The templating system should allow each commitee head to
> > > control a branch of the site.
> > >
> > > 2) Switching the main site to nylxs.org which is closer to the mission,
> > > figuring out how to minimize the hiccup in the google rankings this
> > > switch will create.
> > >
> > > 3) Dedicating a mail server to nylxs.org. So that outgoing mails are not
> > > rewritten to www2.mrbrklyn.com. And looking into the possibility of
> > > webmail access for the members, or a secure imap server, I have been
> > > looking at dovecot recently which I have heard many good things about.
> > > Having mail go out as member-at-nylxs.org is an instant advertisement and
> > > helps to solidify the organisation.
> > >
> > > If you want this group to continue as the Ruben one-man show with
> > > whomever you happen to have coaxed along for this week, that's fine
> > > also. You have done many things as the Ruben one man show, and I am
> > > sure you will continue as you have been doing. Just don't call it a
> > > democracy.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marco
> > > ____________________________
> > > NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > > Fair Use -
> > > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > > NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
> > >
> >--
> >__________________________
> >Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> >__________________________
> >DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com
> >
> >http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
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> >articles from around the net
> >http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn....
> >
> >1-718-382-0585
> >____________________________
> >NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> >Fair Use -
> >because it's either fair use or useless....
> >NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
>
> Mr. Joseph A. Maffia, CPA
> Rosenzweig & Maffia LLP
> 845 Third Ave. #1300
> New York, NY 10022
> 212-980-2470 x16
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> www.rm-cpa.com
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__________________________
Brooklyn Linux Solutions
__________________________
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn....
1-718-382-0585
____________________________
NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
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