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MESSAGE
DATE 2003-05-27
FROM Marco Scoffier
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Desktop

Obviously some tensions have been raised, and I have to say that I too
was annoyed by the tone of this article. So, I decided to give it a
close reading. This article is full of pro-Linux information.
What boggles me is the bad light it puts Linux in as though, 'linux'
(whoever 'Linux' is) were a company fighting for market share and not
winning the battle.

The most annoying part is the title.

> Linux lags on the desktop
Read the article and try to explain why wouldn't the reporter name it
'Linux makes huge inroads into Corporate Infrastructure even on the
desktop'
'Linux lags' is an advertisement for Microsoft, and a misplacement of
blame.

Even 'Corporate world still enslaved on the Desktop' would be more
appropriate.
> CIO Michael Prince drew the line at desktops in the company's
> headquarters: Linux wasn't ready, for a slew of technical reasons.
>
Damning openning sentence, except that she gives no technical reasons to
back it up. See below:
> Prince says. Support from key vendors and advancements in the
> compatibility of Linux software gave him reason to put StarOffice, Sun
> Microsystems' desktop software suite that runs on Linux and other
> operating systems, on 300 office PCs. He uses it himself.
Ok so Linux is ready. I'm confused, why the negative openning?
> But here's the catch: The corporate PCs still run Microsoft's Windows,
> and Prince hasn't abandoned Microsoft Office. He wants Burlington
> office staff to have the same applications as the retail stores, but
> he doesn't yet think a corporate transition to Linux on the desktop is
> worth the trouble of migrating existing data and retraining employees.
I thought she was going to give us a technical reason. Migrating data
is an enslavementware problem, and retraining is normal. This does not
make Linux 'not ready for the desktop'
>
> Linux looks increasingly like a technically viable option as an operating
> system for PCs, but it's still one that's rarely considered seriously in
> business environments.
Not considered because 'not ready' or why? ...

> Office productivity suite and a Linux suite such as StarOffice not enough
> for most IT execs. "They're not willing to make a change from
> Microsoft when the Windows software is handling their needs and users
> are comfortable with it," says Nicholas Petreley, an analyst for
> research company Evans Data.
>
Was that my technical data? People don't like change, so we won't even
if it could save money, and be more sustainable, functional, etc.
> Linux on the desktop is confined mostly to workstations that rely
> heavily on graphics for digital-content creation and product
> engineering, says Jim McDonnell, senior VP of marketing for
> Hewlett-Packard's personal systems group. "This makes sense because
> it's taking advantage of the operating system for performance," he
> says.
So linux is better technically.

> But vendors haven't given up trying. Sun's latest low-cost
> Linux PC, slated to ship this summer, could spur wider use of the
> system on desktops, says Bill Claybrook, research director for Linux
> and open source at the Aberdeen Group. "Linux hasn't made a dent in
> the desktop marketplace so far, but things will change," he predicts.
>
So you say everyone is waiting for the change. Why not seem more
encouraging about it?

enslavement-ware problems>
>
> The technical barriers are steadily falling away, Burlington's Prince
> says.
And what were those technical barriers again. You got yourself trapped
in proprietary formats because your IT department had no foresight, and
this is now Free Software's fault? That's why it is lagging?


>
> StarOffice 6.0 can open Microsoft Word and Excel documents, removing
> one of the most annoying problems of the past, Prince says. By
> deploying both StarOffice and Windows on corporate PCs, he hopes to
> ease any eventual transition to Linux.
Again, this article has basically been talking transition to linux as an
eventuality. Why the increadibly negative, putting the fault on Linux
title, "Linux lags on the desktop". I just don't get it. As per the
data in this article, this is the only real reason the switch hasn't
been made:
> Still, a migration is a migration, so Prince isn't making a major
> operating system or productivity-suite change right now. "I'm not sure
> there's any payback in migrating people," he says. "Cost-wise, Linux
> is better, and it's more reliable, but migrating users one-by-one is a
> big effort." Prince will encourage new employees to use Linux instead
> of Windows, but he won't force them. "We want people to use what
> they're comfortable with," he says.
'People dont like change.' This is linux's fault? Here again the blame
is put on Linux:
> Linux still has shortcomings. Rory Hudson, retail systems manager for
> Zumiez Inc., a retailer with 100 stores, deployed PCs running Linux in
> stores so managers can access a company intranet and Linux-based
> E-mail and spreadsheets for financial reporting. But he's keeping
> Windows at headquarters to do some of the company's more-complicated
> PC-based work. "We wouldn't consider switching off of Windows, because
> we have advanced spreadsheets and Excel handles those really well,"
Blame 'Linux' instead of gnumeric, or Microsoft the creator of Excel who
doesn't provide a Linux version, so as to entrench it's monopoly.
> Hudson says. "We've found a really good niche for each operating
> system." That includes Apple Macintoshes for the company's graphic
> designers.
>
I won't get into this one, except that freedom is crutial everywhere.
> Aberdeen analyst Claybrook has his own Linux experience. He dabbled
> with the open-source system on his desktop but dropped it because some
> document formatting was lost when files were sent to a Windows
> machine. "We have a specific format that we need to follow when we
> send reports, so I couldn't afford those discrepancies," Claybrook
> says.
Are the discrepancies "Linux's fault" or the crappy proprietary change
every six months formats the company has chosen to adopt?
> Laptop users also face challenges. "Laptops are tougher to run Linux
> [on] because they've got more proprietary devices, and not very many
> are designed for Linux," Prince says. "It's doable, but it's a lot of
> work."
Again, "Linux's fault" or companies that sell laptops with proprietary
interfaces.
>
> Some business-technology executives are just getting comfortable with
> running Linux on their servers, where it has something of a track
> record for value and performance; Linux on the desktop isn't even in
> the planning stages. PNC Bank is evaluating whether to move some
> servers to Linux and plans a limited test this year. The bank is
> confident it can lower costs and increase performance using Linux. But
> it isn't even considering a desktop change. "We don't really have a
> need for faster performance at the desktop level, so there's not the
> same push to evaluate Linux on the desktop," a spokeswoman says.
So the bank hasn't changed because they haven't even thought about it.
They are happy where they are. As far as I am concerned this is the
only place the ficticious 'Linux company' is lagging. It needs to create
it's market. We need to create the market here like every other vendor
who has ever lived. 'Your bank is still using bug ridden, virus laden,
enslavement-ware? Haven't you heard of Linux? It's bug free and virus
proof, and less expensive" (alter marketing blurb to you preferance).

Now at the very end. After no technical reasons except, don't want to
migrate, haven't heard of it, and trapped in enslavement format. The
article ends with Linux glory stories:
>
> For those who choose to take the plunge, however, there are savings to be
> had. Zumiez's Hudson says that running either Windows or Unix on
> point-of-sale computers in all stores would have cost about US$1,000 per
> store. Zumiez went with free Linux systems for the 19 stores it opened
> last year. Sun's StarOffice suite lists at US$50 per machine for 125
> users, to US$25 for 10,000; that compares with an average price of
> about US$400 for Office.
>
> Ernie Ball Inc. turned to Linux out of crisis more than cost savings.
> Three years ago, the global manufacturer of guitar strings was slammed
> by the Business Software Alliance for running more copies of Windows
> than the company had paid for. Then there were the pirated copies of
> software from Autodesk Inc. and FileMaker Inc. It was the spark that
> turned Ernie Ball into a Linux hot spot. "We had 120 days to comply
> with the BSA, and we complied by throwing everything out," says Jeff
> Whitmore, an IT manager at Ernie Ball.
>
> The company operates almost all of its business on open-source
> software, including Red Hat Linux on its desktops and servers,
> StarOffice on PCs, and E-mail from Ximian. Whitmore says the company
> spent about US$20,000 to make the switch and cut US$80,000 to
> US$100,000 a year from its IT budget. With a little more than 70
> users, the IT staff handled training on the fly. "There wasn't a lot
> of training involved, and we just handled questions from users as they
> popped up," he says.
>
> For now, Microsoft commands more than 90% of the desktop market, and
> most users seem comfortable with what its productivity apps cost for
> what they deliver. With its upcoming Office suite, Microsoft will try
> to pull further ahead of competitors. That leaves only a little wiggle
> room for Linux, as it battles the inertia of an installed base.

There are no two ways about it. The whole mindset has to change. Not
just of the people using computers. But of the people writing about
them. There is no 'Linux company', battling the Microsoft company. The
weaknesses are not Free Software's, but :
1) Human beings don't like change.
2) Proprietary vendors have done a darn good job, of trapping people and
companies in situations they would rather not be in (proprietary
formats, trapped data, forced upgrades etc.)
3) Since there is no 'Linux Company' no one is out there creating the
market for the product. The only sales people are the people using it.

I am sorry Evan, but you are very far from convincing me that anyone
is not ready for a Linux Desktop. That is an insult to every computer
user. Saying, however, that a company is so trapped in enslavement-ware
that it will take it a few years before they can adopt the preferable
Free solution, is a whole other issue. This is the light the article
should be written under.

The Corporate world's level of entrapment in no way makes a comment
about Free Software's level of 'readiness' or technical viability.

--
Marco
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  84. 2003-05-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IMPORTANT CHANGE IN Previous Class Schedule
  85. 2003-05-30 From: "Rob Stupay" <vze3426u-at-verizon.net> Subject: [hangout] 3d
  86. 2003-05-30 From: "Rob Stupay" <vze3426u-at-verizon.net> Subject: [hangout] a newsletter question
  87. 2003-05-30 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [ Speakeasy ] Notice: Network Outage in NYC - Recap
  88. 2003-05-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Class Schedule Changes
  89. 2003-05-30 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Education meeting report soon to come
  90. 2003-05-30 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] CSS issue fixed
  91. 2003-05-29 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Arguments made in DVD-cracking case
  92. 2003-05-29 nylxsdoer <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Good News for NYLXS
  93. 2003-05-29 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Good News for NYLXS
  94. 2003-05-29 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] Destros needed
  95. 2003-05-29 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] Destros needed
  96. 2003-05-29 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Good News for NYLXS
  97. 2003-05-29 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Destros needed
  98. 2003-05-29 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Destros needed
  99. 2003-05-29 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Novell's letter to SCO
  100. 2003-05-28 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO's response to Novell
  101. 2003-05-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell's letter to SCO
  102. 2003-05-28 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell's letter to SCO
  103. 2003-05-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell calls on SCO to prove allegations about Linux
  104. 2003-05-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] German software group threatens to sue SCO on Linux
  105. 2003-05-28 Ray Connolly <ray-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC- Tuesday Minutes
  106. 2003-05-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  107. 2003-05-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Agenda for Meeting
  108. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva NYLXS Recording Secretary <selsok-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Educational committee meeting tomorrow
  109. 2003-05-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Agenda for Meeting
  110. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Agenda for Meeting
  111. 2003-05-28 nylxsdoer <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  112. 2003-05-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  113. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Need Phone number and Mailing address for NYLXS
  114. 2003-05-28 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Need Phone number and Mailing address for NYLXS
  115. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  116. 2003-05-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  117. 2003-05-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  118. 2003-05-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  119. 2003-05-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  120. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  121. 2003-05-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need Phone number and Mailing address for NYLXS
  122. 2003-05-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  123. 2003-05-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  124. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  125. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  126. 2003-05-28 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  127. 2003-05-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  128. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  129. 2003-05-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  130. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  131. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Need Phone number and Mailing address for NYLXS
  132. 2003-05-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  133. 2003-05-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Needs replenishing
  134. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] Destros needed
  135. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: add RE: [hangout] Destros needed
  136. 2003-05-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> add RE: [hangout] Destros needed
  137. 2003-05-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  138. 2003-05-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Destros needed
  139. 2003-05-28 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Destros needed
  140. 2003-05-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Desktop
  141. 2003-05-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Possible attacks in Brooklyn this week
  142. 2003-05-27 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] CSS fun!
  143. 2003-05-27 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Desktop
  144. 2003-05-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  145. 2003-05-27 From: "'Marco Scoffier'" <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  146. 2003-05-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  147. 2003-05-27 From: "'Marco Scoffier'" <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  148. 2003-05-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des
  149. 2003-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  150. 2003-05-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  151. 2003-05-27 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  152. 2003-05-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [mbac-at-netgraft.com: [wwwac] MySQL AB is looking for New York hires]
  153. 2003-05-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des
  154. 2003-05-27 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] [mbac-at-netgraft.com: [wwwac] MySQL AB is looking for New York hires]
  155. 2003-05-27 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] CSS fun!
  156. 2003-05-27 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] New Yawk Unjacked
  157. 2003-05-27 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Darl McBride Interview
  158. 2003-05-26 nylxsdoer <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] fscc
  159. 2003-05-26 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] the NYLXS site
  160. 2003-05-26 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] the NYLXS site
  161. 2003-05-26 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] we need nylxser
  162. 2003-05-26 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] PR for Classes
  163. 2003-05-26 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] the NYLXS site
  164. 2003-05-26 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] we need nylxser
  165. 2003-05-26 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> RE: [hangout] PR for Classes
  166. 2003-05-26 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] the NYLXS site
  167. 2003-05-25 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] the NYLXS site
  168. 2003-05-25 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] the NYLXS site
  169. 2003-05-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> another word on this Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  170. 2003-05-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  171. 2003-05-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  172. 2003-05-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  173. 2003-05-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Some terms I did not know existed.
  174. 2003-05-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] media and fcc on ch 13 now
  175. 2003-05-23 nylxsdoer <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Evening FSCC Meetings
  176. 2003-05-23 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Why can't they do it here?
  177. 2003-05-23 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Prepare yourself to feel the hate
  178. 2003-05-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] It's not just Microsoft taking advantage of ignorance
  179. 2003-05-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Jamie.Katz-at-Workstreaminc.com: Career Event: Seminar in New York City, May 28th]
  180. 2003-05-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [miker-at-internetmovies.com: [DMCA-Activists] INTERNETMOVIES.COM appeals to U.S. Ninth Circuit Court against MPAA]
  181. 2003-05-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  182. 2003-05-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  183. 2003-05-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  184. 2003-05-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  185. 2003-05-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  186. 2003-05-23 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] God almighty
  187. 2003-05-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Des ktop
  188. 2003-05-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Big Business & World Perceptions - Linux on the Desktop
  189. 2003-05-23 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Ulimate Geek-Network Event
  190. 2003-05-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] God almighty
  191. 2003-05-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] mbox_splitter.py
  192. 2003-05-22 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] More weaseling
  193. 2003-05-22 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] God almighty
  194. 2003-05-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] God almighty
  195. 2003-05-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] the NYLXS site
  196. 2003-05-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] PR for Classes
  197. 2003-05-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the NYLXS site
  198. 2003-05-22 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> RE: [hangout] PR for Classes
  199. 2003-05-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] PR for Classes
  200. 2003-05-22 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Idiocy, or Incompetence?
  201. 2003-05-22 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] PR for Classes small correction
  202. 2003-05-22 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> RE: [hangout] PR for Classes
  203. 2003-05-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] PR for Classes
  204. 2003-05-22 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] the NYLXS site
  205. 2003-05-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Correction
  206. 2003-05-22 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Correction
  207. 2003-05-22 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] PR for Classes
  208. 2003-05-22 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Education and more read me
  209. 2003-05-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] we need nylxser
  210. 2003-05-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] the NYLXS site
  211. 2003-05-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] PR for Classes
  212. 2003-05-22 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Re: [hangout] Congratulations
  213. 2003-05-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Congratulations
  214. 2003-05-22 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Congratulations
  215. 2003-05-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] PR for Classes
  216. 2003-05-22 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] the NYLXS site
  217. 2003-05-22 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] we need nylxser
  218. 2003-05-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Crains NY for PR
  219. 2003-05-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia FS Business Demo
  220. 2003-05-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Education and more read me
  221. 2003-05-21 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Education and more read me
  222. 2003-05-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Education and more read me
  223. 2003-05-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Cartoons
  224. 2003-05-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Education and more read me
  225. 2003-05-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Education and more read me
  226. 2003-05-21 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Education and more read me
  227. 2003-05-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLUG Meeting tonight
  228. 2003-05-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] It's more than an Installfeast!
  229. 2003-05-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] It's more than an Installfeast!
  230. 2003-05-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] It's more than an Installfeast!
  231. 2003-05-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] It's more than an Installfeast!
  232. 2003-05-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] It's more than an Installfeast!
  233. 2003-05-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] It's more than an Installfeast!
  234. 2003-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  235. 2003-05-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  236. 2003-05-20 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: A thought]
  237. 2003-05-20 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  238. 2003-05-20 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  239. 2003-05-20 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  240. 2003-05-20 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: A thought]
  241. 2003-05-20 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Fwd: Re: A thought]
  242. 2003-05-20 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Re: A thought]
  243. 2003-05-20 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: A thought
  244. 2003-05-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FS Classes start tonight
  245. 2003-05-20 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] FS Classes start tonight
  246. 2003-05-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  247. 2003-05-20 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  248. 2003-05-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FSCC Meeting
  249. 2003-05-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FS Classes start tonight
  250. 2003-05-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] FSCC Meeting
  251. 2003-05-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FS Classes start tonight
  252. 2003-05-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  253. 2003-05-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FSCC Meeting
  254. 2003-05-20 nylxsdoer <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM to sell Linux Biz desktops
  255. 2003-05-20 Ray Connolly <ray-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting
  256. 2003-05-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Some Encouraging News from Abroad...
  257. 2003-05-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Wording: Free Software Classes
  258. 2003-05-20 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Wording: Free Software Classes
  259. 2003-05-20 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  260. 2003-05-20 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  261. 2003-05-20 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Brought to you by:
  262. 2003-05-19 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Commitee Meeting
  263. 2003-05-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: A thought
  264. 2003-05-19 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] FSCC Meeting
  265. 2003-05-19 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Subject: [hangout] Wireless Broad Band Security
  266. 2003-05-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linux 1 Class
  267. 2003-05-19 Ray Connolly <ray-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting
  268. 2003-05-19 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: A thought
  269. 2003-05-19 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  270. 2003-05-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Commitee Meeting
  271. 2003-05-19 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 Class
  272. 2003-05-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] A thought
  273. 2003-05-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] For some of us, it was already clear...
  274. 2003-05-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  275. 2003-05-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] egovos 3
  276. 2003-05-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] egovos 3
  277. 2003-05-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Alt schools demo
  278. 2003-05-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> RE: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  279. 2003-05-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: Alt schools demo
  280. 2003-05-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft to license Unix code
  281. 2003-05-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Federal Solution
  282. 2003-05-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Alt schools demo
  283. 2003-05-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft to license Unix code
  284. 2003-05-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft to license Unix code
  285. 2003-05-19 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Tech Commitee Meeting
  286. 2003-05-19 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  287. 2003-05-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] Desktop Linux Ready to Roll Over Windows] (fwd)
  288. 2003-05-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] Desktop Linux Ready to Roll Over Windows] (fwd)
  289. 2003-05-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  290. 2003-05-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] Desktop Linux Ready to Roll Over Windows] (fwd)
  291. 2003-05-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  292. 2003-05-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  293. 2003-05-18 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  294. 2003-05-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] irc security news and the law
  295. 2003-05-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DVD Software takes a legal blow vs DMCA
  296. 2003-05-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So how did it go?
  297. 2003-05-17 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Petition
  298. 2003-05-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Comuters Work Reguations from the Dept of Labor
  299. 2003-05-17 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] baby is comming
  300. 2003-05-17 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] the things i have
  301. 2003-05-17 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] links to edu stuff
  302. 2003-05-17 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] baby comming
  303. 2003-05-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] found 3rd artical
  304. 2003-05-16 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] found 3rd artical
  305. 2003-05-16 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] These are some articals
  306. 2003-05-16 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] found 3rd artical
  307. 2003-05-16 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] found 3rd artical
  308. 2003-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] found 3rd artical
  309. 2003-05-16 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] found 3rd artical
  310. 2003-05-16 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] found another one that proves computers don't work in schools
  311. 2003-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Tomorrow
  312. 2003-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] class flyers
  313. 2003-05-16 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO is full of it...
  314. 2003-05-16 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] class flyers
  315. 2003-05-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] class flyers
  316. 2003-05-16 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] class flyers
  317. 2003-05-16 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] updated flyers for may-june classes
  318. 2003-05-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] We got into the THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE as A Exhibtor
  319. 2003-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SuSe 7.1 dropped from support
  320. 2003-05-15 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Ballmer on Linux
  321. 2003-05-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] More details for sat.
  322. 2003-05-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: alt-tech seminar talks
  323. 2003-05-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS AT THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE (fwd)
  324. 2003-05-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] alt-tech seminar talks
  325. 2003-05-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Edited and Proofed after discussing with Marco NYLXS AT THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE (fwd)
  326. 2003-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We got into the THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE as A Exhibtor
  327. 2003-05-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Edited and Proofed after discussing with Marco NYLXS AT THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE (fwd)
  328. 2003-05-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] We got into the THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE as A Exhibtor
  329. 2003-05-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Edited and Proofed after discussing with Marco NYLXS AT THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE
  330. 2003-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyers
  331. 2003-05-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We got into the THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE as A Exhibtor
  332. 2003-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We got into the THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE as A Exhibtor
  333. 2003-05-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We got into the THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE as A Exhibtor
  334. 2003-05-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  335. 2003-05-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] We got into the THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE as A Exhibtor
  336. 2003-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] you can get tha address from this link
  337. 2003-05-15 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] you can get tha address from this link
  338. 2003-05-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Up to No-Good Again!
  339. 2003-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We got into the THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE as A Exhibtor
  340. 2003-05-15 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] We got into the THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE as A Exhibtor
  341. 2003-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: We got into the THE ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE as A Exhibtor
  342. 2003-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Classes - Registration Form -
  343. 2003-05-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Announcement
  344. 2003-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [ANN] Novusweb Creates Innovative Cooperative - Seeks Talented Web Specialists [bill-at-blueworld.com]
  345. 2003-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Announcement
  346. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ebay Scam you should be aware of
  347. 2003-05-14 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] For future reference
  348. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO warns commercial Linux users of potential 'legal liability'
  349. 2003-05-14 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] SCO warns commercial Linux users of potential 'legal liability'
  350. 2003-05-14 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] SCO's Letter to Linux Users/Customers
  351. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO's Letter to Linux Users/Customers
  352. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO warns commercial Linux users of potential 'legal liability'
  353. 2003-05-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO's Letter to Linux Users/Customers
  354. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Subway Fare scaled Back Again!
  355. 2003-05-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO warns commercial Linux users of potential 'legal liability'
  356. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS webserver suggestion: MIME [Was: funny flyer penguin rides GNU]
  357. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS webserver suggestion: MIME [Was: funny flyer penguin rides GNU]
  358. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS webserver suggestion: MIME [Was: funny flyer penguin rides GNU]
  359. 2003-05-14 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Linux In education Needs YOU
  360. 2003-05-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS webserver suggestion: MIME [Was: funny flyer penguin rides GNU]
  361. 2003-05-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] funny flyer penguin rides GNU
  362. 2003-05-14 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Linux In education Needs YOU
  363. 2003-05-14 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Linux In education Needs YOU
  364. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] funny flyer penguin rides GNU
  365. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] funny flyer penguin rides GNU
  366. 2003-05-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] funny flyer penguin rides GNU
  367. 2003-05-14 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] funny flyer penguin rides GNU
  368. 2003-05-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] funny flyer penguin rides GNU
  369. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What do I put here?
  370. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Can you email the NYLUG List
  371. 2003-05-14 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Can you email the NYLUG List
  372. 2003-05-14 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] The Matrix Reloaded
  373. 2003-05-14 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux In education Needs YOU
  374. 2003-05-14 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Headline - When copy protection backfires
  375. 2003-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] looking at headers - ignor
  376. 2003-05-20 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
  377. 2003-05-19 Ray Connolly <ray-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] hello again
  378. 2003-05-01 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com>
  379. 2003-05-01 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com>
  380. 2003-05-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [!CrackMonkey!] The Eric Aldred Act]

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