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| DATE | 2003-05-19 |
| FROM | bruce@perens.com (Bruce Perens)
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] Re: A thought
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From owner-hangout-desteny-at-mrbrklyn.com Mon May 19 21:26:37 2003 Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h4K1Qblu019382 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 21:26:37 -0400 Received: (from mdom-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h4K1QbnI019381 for hangout-desteny; Mon, 19 May 2003 21:26:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: mdom set sender to owner-hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com using -f Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h4K1Qblu019375 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 21:26:37 -0400 Received: (from ruben-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h4K1QbXu019374 for hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com; Mon, 19 May 2003 21:26:37 -0400 Received: from server.perens.com (dsl-sj-66-219-74-27.broadviewnet.net [66.219.74.27]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h4K0Kelu018808 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 20:20:40 -0400 Received: by server.perens.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D72E64398; Mon, 19 May 2003 17:23:28 -0700 (PDT) To: bruce-at-perens.com, jdave23-at-express56.com Subject: [hangout] Re: A thought Cc: hangout-at-nylxs.com, rms-at-gnu.org In-Reply-To: <1053382181.6688.12.camel-at-connie> Message-Id: <20030520002328.D72E64398-at-server.perens.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:23:28 -0700 (PDT) From: bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Sender: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) List: New Yorker GNU Linux Scene Admin: To unsubscribe send unsubscribe name-at-domian.com in the body to hangout-request-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com X-Evolution: 000002a3-0000 X-Keywords: X-UID: 13909 Status: RO Content-Length: 2520 Lines: 57
From: Dave Williams > In light of recent events (the British group misrepresenting Open > Source, Microsoft's payoff to SCO) is there any chance you might offer > an apology to the folks at NYLXS? > > I mean, I know you're just a boilerplate member of the Cyber Security > Policy and Research Institute, but I think it's safe to assume that Tony > Stanco won't admit to any mistakes anytime soon.
I'm not really a boilerplate member. I am working on the upcoming conferences, including at least one that will be called a Free Software conference. I haven't had time to do a grant through there yet, but intend to. And I am teaching a class there in July.
> So how about mending some fences with the folks who insisted that > "fairness" toward Microsoft is always a bad policy, and that advocacy > groups should be accountable to their constituents? Next time, maybe > Ruben will dress up in support of one of your causes!
Well, I noticed that the executive director of the FSF was there in normal clothing, and the director of FSF Europe, too. Indeed, they were very quick to point out the fact that they were not dressed in Revolutionary War outfits.
I remain unconvinced that it was a bad idea to let MS talk. I still think it would have been worse to lock them out.
I have no doubt that Ruben's heart's in the right place. I disagree with him on strategy and tactics. Ruben has been having fights with more people than just Tony and me of late, and there seem to be people publishing disavowals that he is connected with their organizations. I think this has something to do with the same things that I disagree with him about. But this will not prevent me from supporting him when I think he's right. Hopefully he places Free Software ahead of personal differences enough to do the same for me.
By the way, I thought you folks carried off the demonstration well, and did your best to make your point without doing collateral damage to the Free Software cause. If I missed shaking your hand in D.C., I didn't mean to. I'm sure I shook Ruben's hand.
> P.S.: By the way, did you ever know a young woman at Pixar named Gael > Harlow? I think she was one of the technical animators, and I used to > live with her brother back in Virginia years ago.
Not her. But there were 450 people there when I left.
Thanks
Bruce
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