|FROM ||Dave Williams
|SUBJECT ||Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
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Subject: Re: [hangout] Alt schools demo
From: Dave Williams
To: Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
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Date: 20 May 2003 18:56:09 -0400
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Hi Ruben -- good to hear from you.
"Research" is the act of looking up information. When I think about
ordering Chinese Food I might research the available restaurants in my
area and examine samples of their menus. In this case, I was
researching what reactions people have experienced when trying to
introduce Free Software into school systems, and the impressions people
have (personal or otherwise) of IT services in school districts. Not
very scientific, I know, but I was trying to figure out a good way to
phrase a proposal to Concord Schools at the time.
The descriptions of lazy, incompetent IT departments and frightened,
ignorant teachers were a result of my "research". You may wish to look
up a message I posted a while back that contained quotes on the subject.
I could care less about the results of using Free Software in schools at
this point. I was trying to figure out how to get it in there in the
first place. By targeting the likely fears and responses we might get,
I hoped to draft a better proposal. Let's call it "market research".
Does that clear things up at all?
I feel like YOU are going around in circles on this!
The people participating in this thread are discussing their
observations and impressions of the system. So far no one has suggested
that we stop putting together a program for educating teachers. I have
added onto this the idea of gaining support at the upper levels of the
system, something Selso wants to do (although things are a bit chaotic
right now). That may not be the best approach, but if someone is
willing to try it I wouldn't object.
If you don't have anything to add to this thread then feel free to not
add to it.
By the way, you know the advice people give about smiling when talking
on the telephone, so that the person you speak to will get a pleasant
impression of you? My I suggest smiling while you type? Perhaps you
will experience a similar effect, and won't have to grind your teeth
when I write back to you as though I were talking to a cranky child.
On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 18:07, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:
> Reseach where and reearching what?
> Every current Free Software in Education program has failed because it
> repeats the exact errors of the Commercial exploit our kids version.
> Every vendor purchased system fails because they don't address the educational
> needs of children.
> Unless your telling me that you have a report of a study with actual students
> and measurable end points, or that you've DONE a study with actual students
> and measurable end point, then I'm afraid I don't understand what we're talking about here.
> I feel like we're going in circles on this.
> Let's education the teacheers, as planned, and draw up a ciriculem
> for students and get them published.
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