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| DATE | 2003-05-05 |
| FROM | From: "Joseph A. Maffia"
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Puppet President and Major Structural Problems
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Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 13:34:56 -0400
To: Ruben I Safir ,
Marco Scoffier
From: "Joseph A. Maffia"
Subject: Re: [hangout] Puppet President and Major Structural Problems
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Ruben,
That is not true - you have read my emails - take things off my desk and
never consulted me. How did you get the .org password? How did you get the
.net password? That is not right - I have asked you to stop and yet it
continues. Please stop reading my email.
Joe
At 12:41 PM 05/05/2003 -0400, Ruben I Safir wrote:
>Your wrong Marco...
>
>Nothing is stolen, you have full access to the server, and you full powers
>to do wha you want. The staff has full control of the sites, and you even
>have
>a key to the front door.
>
>As for reading Joe Maffia's mail, forget that accuation. It's
>bullshit. The last time
>he leveled that at me he had to appologize when it was shown to be wrong.
>
>If you want to make the efforts to turn over the server, YOU DO IT.
>
>I'm not doing it.
>
>Your as much of a puppet as you want to be.... or not.
>
>Ruben
>
>
>
>On 2003.05.05 12:37 Marco Scoffier wrote:
> >
> > Ruben, I am afraid that Dave makes some very valid points.
> > Every reasonable person who gets some knowledge about how NYLXS works
> > would come to the same conclusion. Just like every resonable person who
> > pokes around the webserver gasps, "what a mess".
> >
> > NYLXS is very far from a democracy. You have absolute control and
> > refuse to give up the reigns.
> >
> > You personally have the passwords to every domain which had been in
> > question. You even managed to steal the password to nylxs.org before I
> > had a chance to change it, by reading Joe Maffia's email which I find
> > inconceivable and just smells really wrong.
> >
> > You are also the only person to have root access to the server, meaning
> > that no matter what anyone does you are the ultimate censor.
> >
> > If people felt that they had more control over the parts of the
> > organisation of which they have been put in charge, they would work much
> > much more.
> >
> > I haven't done very much since I was elected president, because I am a
> > puppet, absolutely everything I would think of doing is ultimatly
> > censored by you. And I'm sorry, but as much as I respect you, this is a
> > major concern.
> >
> > If you want a vibrant democratic group, NYLXS needs some major
> > structural overhaul, and some sensible proceedings such as those put
> > forth by Dave and Michael about PR.
> >
> > I would further suggest:
> >
> > 1) a week of website overhaul to implement the templating system I have
> > 90% finished and to fix some weirdnesses such as the date entry on the
> > scheduling page, which makes the entries virtually unuseable by anyone
> > but you. The templating system should allow each commitee head to
> > control a branch of the site.
> >
> > 2) Switching the main site to nylxs.org which is closer to the mission,
> > figuring out how to minimize the hiccup in the google rankings this
> > switch will create.
> >
> > 3) Dedicating a mail server to nylxs.org. So that outgoing mails are not
> > rewritten to www2.mrbrklyn.com. And looking into the possibility of
> > webmail access for the members, or a secure imap server, I have been
> > looking at dovecot recently which I have heard many good things about.
> > Having mail go out as member-at-nylxs.org is an instant advertisement and
> > helps to solidify the organisation.
> >
> > If you want this group to continue as the Ruben one-man show with
> > whomever you happen to have coaxed along for this week, that's fine
> > also. You have done many things as the Ruben one man show, and I am
> > sure you will continue as you have been doing. Just don't call it a
> > democracy.
> >
> > --
> > Marco
> > ____________________________
> > NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > Fair Use -
> > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
> >
>--
>__________________________
>Brooklyn Linux Solutions
>__________________________
>DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com
>
>http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
>http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients
>http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and
>articles from around the net
>http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn....
>
>1-718-382-0585
>____________________________
>NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
>Fair Use -
>because it's either fair use or useless....
>NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
Mr. Joseph A. Maffia, CPA
Rosenzweig & Maffia LLP
845 Third Ave. #1300
New York, NY 10022
212-980-2470 x16
212-980-2177 fax
www.rm-cpa.com
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Ruben,
That is not true - you have read my emails - take things off my desk and
never consulted me. How did you get the .org password? How did you get
the .net password? That is not right - I have asked you to stop and yet
it continues. Please stop reading my email.
Joe
At 12:41 PM 05/05/2003 -0400, Ruben I Safir wrote:
Your wrong Marco...
Nothing is stolen, you have full access to the server, and you full
powers
to do wha you want. The staff has full control of the sites, and
you even have
a key to the front door.
As for reading Joe Maffia's mail, forget that accuation. It's
bullshit. The last time
he leveled that at me he had to appologize when it was shown to be
wrong.
If you want to make the efforts to turn over the server, YOU DO
IT.
I'm not doing it.
Your as much of a puppet as you want to be.... or not.
Ruben
On 2003.05.05 12:37 Marco Scoffier wrote:
>
> Ruben, I am afraid that Dave makes some very valid points.
> Every reasonable person who gets some knowledge about how NYLXS
works
> would come to the same conclusion. Just like every resonable
person who
> pokes around the webserver gasps, "what a mess".
>
> NYLXS is very far from a democracy. You have absolute control
and
> refuse to give up the reigns.
>
> You personally have the passwords to every domain which had been
in
> question. You even managed to steal the password to nylxs.org
before I
> had a chance to change it, by reading Joe Maffia's email which I
find
> inconceivable and just smells really wrong.
>
> You are also the only person to have root access to the server,
meaning
> that no matter what anyone does you are the ultimate censor.
>
> If people felt that they had more control over the parts of
the
> organisation of which they have been put in charge, they would work
much
> much more.
>
> I haven't done very much since I was elected president, because I am
a
> puppet, absolutely everything I would think of doing is
ultimatly
> censored by you. And I'm sorry, but as much as I respect you,
this is a
> major concern.
>
> If you want a vibrant democratic group, NYLXS needs some major
> structural overhaul, and some sensible proceedings such as those
put
> forth by Dave and Michael about PR.
>
> I would further suggest:
>
> 1) a week of website overhaul to implement the templating system I
have
> 90% finished and to fix some weirdnesses such as the date entry on
the
> scheduling page, which makes the entries virtually unuseable by
anyone
> but you. The templating system should allow each commitee head
to
> control a branch of the site.
>
> 2) Switching the main site to nylxs.org which is closer to the
mission,
> figuring out how to minimize the hiccup in the google rankings
this
> switch will create.
>
> 3) Dedicating a mail server to nylxs.org. So that outgoing mails are
not
> rewritten to www2.mrbrklyn.com. And looking into the
possibility of
> webmail access for the members, or a secure imap server, I have
been
> looking at dovecot recently which I have heard many good things
about.
> Having mail go out as member-at-nylxs.org is an instant advertisement
and
> helps to solidify the organisation.
>
> If you want this group to continue as the Ruben one-man show
with
> whomever you happen to have coaxed along for this week, that's
fine
> also. You have done many things as the Ruben one man show, and
I am
> sure you will continue as you have been doing. Just don't call
it a
> democracy.
>
> --
> Marco
> ____________________________
> NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> Fair Use -
> because it's either fair use or useless....
> NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
>
--
__________________________
Brooklyn Linux Solutions
__________________________
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS
http://fairuse.nylxs.com
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
- Consulting
http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn....
1-718-382-0585
____________________________
NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
Mr. Joseph A. Maffia, CPA
Rosenzweig & Maffia LLP
845 Third Ave. #1300
New York, NY 10022
212-980-2470 x16
212-980-2177 fax
www.rm-cpa.com
E-MAIL NOTICE
This e-mail message, including any attachment(s), is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any review, use, disclosure or distribution by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
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____________________________
NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
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