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This writing is declaring war on the world. I say When you have a war to
fight let those who study and train for war fight it, take Regligion,
Polotics, Geed, and "what will they (the world) thiink of us out of it.
Just send in the troops and tell them to kick ass. Expect casutiles. And
do not spend more money building up what was taken apart, than you spend on
your own people.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Ruben I Safir wrote:

>
> http://www.claremont.org/writings/crb/fall2003/helprin.html
>
>
> Home » Writings » Claremont Review of Books » Fall 2003 » War in the
> Absence of Strategic Clarity More than merely winning the war in Iraq,
> we needed to stun the Arab World.
>
> By Mark Helprin
>
> Posted September 17, 2003
>
> This essay appeared in the Fall 2003 issue of the Claremont Review of
> Books. Click here to send a comment. Print version -----
>
> America has approached the war on terrorism as if from two dreamworlds.
> The liberal, in which an absurd understanding of cause and effect, the
> habit of capitulation to foreign influence, a mild and perpetual
> anti-Americanism, reflex allergies to military spending, and a
> theological aversion to self-defense all lead to policies that are hard
> to differentiate from surrender. And the conservative, in which
> everything must be all right as long as a self-declared conservative is
> in the White House?no matter how badly the war is run; no matter that a
> Republican administration in electoral fear leans left and breaks its
> promise to restore the military; and no matter that because the
> Secretary of Defense decided that he need not be able to fight two wars
> at once, an adequate reserve does not exist to deal with, for example,
> North Korea. And in between these dreamworlds of paralysis and
> incompetence lies the seam, in French military terminology la soudure,
> through which al-Qaeda, uninterested in our parochialisms, will make its
> next attack.
>
> The war is waged as if accidentally, and no wonder. For domestic
> political reasons and to preserve its marginal relations with the Arab
> World, the United States has declined to identify the enemy precisely.
> He is so formless, opportunistic, and shadowy that apparently we cannot
> conceive of him accurately enough to declare war against him, although
> he has declared war against us. Attribute this to Karl Rove's
> sensitivity to the electoral calculus in key states with heavy
> Arab-American voting, to a contemporary aversion to ethnic generalities,
> to the desire not to offend the Arab World lest it attack us even more
> ferociously, to the fear of speaking truth to oil, to apprehension about
> the taking of hostages and attacks upon embassies, and to a certain
> muddledness of mind that is the result both of submitting to polite and
> obsequious blackmail and of having been throughout the course of one's
> life a stranger to rigorous thought. Reluctance to identify the enemy
> makes it rather difficult to assess his weaknesses and strengths. Thus,
> for want of a minimum of political courage, our soldiers are dispatched
> to far-flung battlefields to fight an ad hoc, disorganized war, and,
> just as it did in the Vietnam War, Washington explains its lack of a
> lucid strategy by referring to the supposed incoherence of its opponent.
> >From the beginning, America has been told that this is a new kind of war
> that cannot be waged with strategic clarity, that strategy and its
> attendant metaphysics no longer apply. And because we cannot
> sufficiently study the nature of an insufficiently defined enemy, our
> actions are mechanistic, ill-conceived, and a function of conflicting
> philosophies within our bureaucracies, which proceed as if their war
> plans were modeled on a to-do list magnetized to some suburban
> refrigerator.
>
> ***
>
> The enemy must and can be defined. That he is the terrorist himself
> almost everyone agrees, but in the same way that the United States
> extended blame beyond the pilots who attacked Pearl Harbor, it must now
> reach far back into the structures of enablement for the sake of
> deciding who and what must be fought. And given the enormity of a war
> against civilians, and the attacks upon our warships, embassies,
> economy, capital, government, and most populous city, this determination
> must be liberal and free-flowing rather than cautious and constrained,
> both by necessity and by right. The enemy has embarked upon a particular
> form of warfare with the intent of shielding his center of mass from
> counterattack, but he must not be allowed such a baseless privilege. For
> as much as he is the terrorist who executes the strategy, he is the
> intelligence service in aid of it, the nation that harbors his training
> camps, the country that finances him, the press filled with adulation,
> the people who dance in the streets when there is a slaughter, and the
> regime that turns a blind eye.
>
> Not surprisingly, militant Islam arises from and makes its base in the
> Arab Middle East. The first objective of the war, therefore, must be to
> offer every state in the area this choice: eradicate all support for
> terrorism within your borders or forfeit existence as a state. That
> individual terrorists will subsequently flee to the periphery is
> certain, but the first step must be to deny them their heartland and
> their citadels.
>
> Recognizing that the enemy is militant Islam with its center the Arab
> Middle East, it is possible to devise a coherent strategy. The enemy's
> strengths should not be underestimated. He has a historical memory far
> superior to that of the West, which has forgotten its thousand-year war
> with Islamic civilization. Islamic civilization has not forgotten,
> however, having been for centuries mainly on the losing side. Its memory
> is clear, bitter, and a spur to action. And it dovetails with a
> spiritual sense of time far different from that of the West, where
> impatience arises in seconds, for the enemy believes that a thousand
> years, measured against the eternity he is taught to contemplate and
> accept, is nothing. Closely related to his empowering sense of time are
> his spiritual sense of mission, which must never be underestimated, and
> Islam's traditional embrace of martyrdom.
>
> This militant devotion, consciously or otherwise, pays homage to the
> explosive Arab conquests, which reached almost to Paris, to the gates of
> Vienna, the marchlands of China, India, and far into Africa. War based
> on the notion of Islamic destiny is underway at this moment in the
> Philippines, Indonesia, Sinkiang, Kashmir, Afghanistan, Pakistan,
> Chechnya, Iraq, Palestine, Macedonia, Algeria, the Sudan, Sub-Saharan
> Africa, and throughout the world in the form of terrorism without
> limitation or humanitarian nuance?all in service of a conception far
> more coherent than the somnolent Western nations seem to comprehend. The
> object long expressed by bin Laden and others is to flip positions in
> the thousand-year war. To do this, the Arabs must rekindle what the
> 10th-century historian Ibn Khaldun called 'asabiya, an ineffable
> combination of group solidarity, momentum, esprit de corps, and the
> elation of victory feeding upon victory. This, rather than any of its
> subsidiary political goals, is the objective of the enemy in the war in
> which we find ourselves at present. Despite many flickers all around the
> world, it is a fire far from coming alight, but as long as the West
> apprehends each flare as a separate case the enemy will be encouraged to
> drive them toward a point of ignition, and the war will never end.
>
> The proper strategic objective for the West, therefore, is the
> suppression of this fire of 'asabiya in the Arab heartland and citadels
> of militancy?a task of division, temporary domination, and, above all,
> demoralization. As unattractive as it may seem, in view of the deadly
> alternative it is the only choice other than to capitulate.
>
> ***
>
> How might it be accomplished? as much as those who make war against the
> West find advantage in Arab history and Islamic tradition, they are
> burdened by its disadvantages. Living in a world of intense subjectivity
> where argument is perpetually overruled by impulse, they suffer
> divisions within divisions and schisms within schisms. Though
> all-consuming fervor may be appropriate to certain aspects of revealed
> religion, it makes for absolutist politics and governance. A despotic
> political culture in turn decreases the possibilities of strong
> alliances and is (often literally) murderous to initiative, whether
> technical, military, or otherwise. And it is of no little import that
> the Middle East has developed so as to be unreceptive to technology.
>
> The natural environment of Arabia is so extreme that the idea of
> mastering it was out of the question, submission and adaptation being
> the only options, and the Middle East had neither the kind of surplus
> agriculture that permitted Europe to industrialize, nor the metals and
> wood upon which the machine culture was built. Technology was viewed not
> as a system of interdependent principles, but rather as finite at all
> stages, not an art to be practiced but a product to be bought. Magical
> machines arrived whole, without a hint of the network of factories,
> workshops, mines, and schools, and the centuries of struggle and genius
> it took to build them. Islam provides a successful spiritual equilibrium
> that the whole of Islamic society strives to protect. The West, by its
> very nature, stirs and changes everything in "creative destruction."
> Wanting no part in this, the Middle East, to quote the economic
> historian Charles Issawi, "believed that the genius of Islam would
> permit a controlled modernization; from Europe one could borrow things
> without needing to borrow ideas," which is why, perhaps, in 19th-century
> Egypt, students were sometimes taught a European language to master a
> craft, and then told to "forget" the language.
>
> Even more potentially fatal to the Arabs than the fact that they cannot
> ever win a technological duel with the West is their Manichean tendency
> to perceive in wholly black or wholly white. In the Middle East the
> middle ground is hardly ever occupied, and entire populations hold
> volatile and extremist views. This is traceable perhaps to the
> austerities of the desert and nomadic life, and is one of the great and
> magnetic attractions of Islam?severity, certainty, and either decisive
> action or righteous and contented abstention. In Arab-Islamic culture,
> things go very strongly one way or they go very strongly the other, and,
> always, a compassionate haven exists for the defeated, for martyrs, as
> long as they have not strayed from the code of honor. In the West,
> success is everything, but in the Arab Middle East honor is everything,
> and can coexist perfectly well with failure. The Arabs have a noble
> history of defeat, and are acclimatized to it. Their cultural and
> religious structures, far less worldly than ours, readily accommodate
> it. Though wanting victory, they are equally magnetized by defeat, for
> they understand, as we used to in the West, that the defeated are the
> closest to God.
>
> The West seems not to know, George W. Bush seems not to know, and Donald
> Rumsfeld seems not to know, that there can be but one effective strategy
> in the war against terrorism, and that is to shift Arab-Islamic society
> into the other of its two states?out of nascent 'asabiya and into
> comfortable fatalism and resignation. The British have done this
> repeatedly, and the United States almost did it during the Gulf War.
> That the object of such an exercise is not to defeat the Arabs but to
> dissuade them from making war upon us means it is more likely to succeed
> now than when it was joined to religious war in the Crusades or to the
> imperial expansion of Europe. Now we want only to trade with the oil
> states even at scandalous expense, and not (assuming that
> "nation-building" is properly allowed to atrophy) to convert, control,
> or colonize. How, exactly, does one shift Arab-Islamic society into the
> other of its two states?
>
> ***
>
> If one were to calculate a fortiori the scale of military effort
> involved in the 19th-century division of the Ottoman Empire and the
> subsequent European domination of the Middle East, one would undoubtedly
> assume that the Europeans deployed great armadas and large armies. More
> than 30 years ago, a graduate student asked the late and eminent Oxford
> historian Albert Hourani what numbers the Europeans did, in fact,
> deploy. He said he would look into it, and a week later reported that,
> to his astonishment, the only European military presence within the
> periphery of the Ottoman Empire that he could discover, from Napoleon
> until the latter part of the 19th century, were 1,500 British and 500
> Austrian troops in 1840, and 6,000 French in 1860. Thus can minuscule
> expeditions conquer vast empires, Aztec, Inca, or Ottoman. But not
> today, or at least that would seem to be a reasonable conclusion. For in
> the last century the Arabs have organized into separate and
> self-stabilizing states; they have raised large military establishments,
> so that now Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and (non-Arab) Iran have
> 1.5 million regulars under arms; they have bought and sometimes
> successfully absorbed huge inventories of modern weapons; they have
> fought wars of independence and revolution, civil wars, against Israel
> six times, and against the great powers; and from T. E. Lawrence, Mao,
> and Ho Chi Minh they have learned at least the rudiments of asymmetrical
> warfare.
>
> Nevertheless, the fundamental relation has not been altered, and it is
> still possible to maneuver the Middle East into quiescence vis-à-vis the
> West. It is a matter mainly of proportion. The unprecedented military
> and economic potential of even the United States alone, thus far so
> imperfectly utilized, is the appropriate instrument. Adjusting military
> spending to the level of the peacetime years of the past half-century
> would raise outlays from approximately $370 billion to approximately
> $650 billion. If the United States had the will, it could, excessively,
> field 20 million men, build 200 aircraft carriers, or almost instantly
> turn every Arab capital into molten glass, and the Arabs know this. No
> matter what the advances in regional power, the position of the Arab
> Middle East relative to that of the United States is no less
> disadvantageous than was that of the Arab Middle East to the
> 19th-century European powers. But, given the changes listed in the
> previous paragraph, the signal strength necessary to convey an effective
> message is now far greater.
>
> In the Gulf War, the overwhelming forces marshaled by the coalition
> might have sufficed as such a signal but for the fact that they were
> halted prematurely and withdrawn precipitously, gratuitously leaving
> both Saudi Arabia and Iraq an inexplicable freedom of action that
> probably left them stunned by their good luck.
>
> Before the Iraq War, high officials were seriously considering an
> invasion force of 500 backed by air power. The numbers climbed steadily:
> 5,000, 10,000, 20,000, 25,000, 40,000, 50,000, 60,000, and so on, with
> the supposedly retrograde "heavy army" prevailing finally, and 300,000
> troops in the theater. When offered vehement advice to go into Iraq with
> massive force and many times overkill, a brilliant and responsible
> senior official responded, almost with incredulity, "Why would we need
> the force that you recommend, when in the Gulf War we used only 10
> percent of what we had?" In the Gulf War, we did not occupy a country of
> 23 million.
>
> As of this writing, the army reportedly has 23 combat brigades, 18 of
> which are deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan, three of which are in refit,
> one in Kosovo, and two in Korea, leaving nine brigades, or about 45,000
> men, to pick up the slack anywhere and everywhere else. Though
> independent echelons and the Marines increase this figure many fold,
> they do not have sufficient lift and logistics, and even if they did it
> would not be enough. This is as much the result of the Bush
> Administration's failure to increase defense spending appreciably and
> rebuild the military before (and even after) September 11, as the lack
> of real shock and awe was the result of the administration's desire to
> go to war according to a sort of just-in-time-inventory paradigm.
> Managers rather than strategists, they did not understand the essence of
> their task, which was not merely to win in Iraq but to stun the Arab
> World. Although it is possible, with just enough force, to win, it is
> not possible, with just enough force, to stun. The war in Iraq should
> have been an expedition originating in the secure base of Saudi Arabia,
> from the safety of which the United States could with immense, husbanded
> force easily reach anywhere in the region. The eastern section of the
> country, far from Mecca and Medina, fronting the sea, with high
> infrastructure and large spaces for maneuver, basing, and an air-tight
> defense, is ideal. Had the Saudis not offered this to us, we might have
> taken it, which probably would have been unnecessary, given that our
> expressed determination would likely have elicited an invitation. As it
> was, we were willing to alienate the entire world so as to thrust
> ourselves into a difficult situation in Iraq, but unwilling to achieve a
> commanding position in Saudi Arabia for fear of alienating the House of
> Saud. One might kindly call this, in that it is about as sensible as
> wearing one's clothes backwards, "strategic hip hop."
>
> It was, in any case, some kind of deliberate minimalism. Sufficiency was
> the watchword. The secretary of defense wanted to show that his new
> transformational force could do the job without recourse to mass. The
> president wanted no more than sufficiency, because he had not advanced
> and had no plans to advance the military establishment beyond the levels
> established by his predecessor. With the magic of transformation, he
> would rebuild it at glacial pace and little cost lest he imperil his own
> and Republican fortunes by embarking on a Reagan-style restoration after
> an election decided by as many voters as would fit in a large Starbucks,
> and that he won by leaning, un-Reagan-like, to the center.
>
> The war in Iraq was a war of sufficiency when what was needed was a war
> of surplus, for the proper objective should have been not merely to
> drive to Baghdad but to engage and impress the imagination of the Arab
> and Islamic worlds on the scale of the thousand-year war that is to
> them, if not to us, still ongoing. Had the United States delivered a
> coup de main soon after September 11 and, on an appropriate scale, had
> the president asked Congress on the 12th for a declaration of war and
> all he needed to wage war, and had this country risen to the occasion as
> it has done so often, the war on terrorism would now be largely over.
>
> But the country did not rise to the occasion, and our enemies know that
> we fought them on the cheap. They know that we did not, would not, and
> will not tolerate the disruption of our normal way of life. They know
> that they did not seize our full attention. They know that we have
> hardly stirred. And as long as they have these things to know, they will
> neither stand down nor shrink back, and, for us, the sorrows that will
> come will be greater than the sorrows that have been.
>
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  23. 2003-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  24. 2003-09-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  25. 2003-09-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  26. 2003-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  27. 2003-09-03 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  28. 2003-09-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  29. 2003-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  30. 2003-09-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  31. 2003-09-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] We Have Met the Enemy, and He is Us
  32. 2003-09-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Board meeting
  33. 2003-09-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] We Have Met the Enemy, and He is Us
  34. 2003-09-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Busin
  35. 2003-09-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Busin
  36. 2003-09-04 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  37. 2003-09-04 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  38. 2003-09-04 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  39. 2003-09-04 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  40. 2003-09-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  41. 2003-09-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop Linux Consortium announces Boston area conference
  42. 2003-09-05 Kenneth Dombrowski <kenneth-at-ylayali.net> Re: [hangout] IBM TO KICK OFF WITH LINUX PLAY
  43. 2003-09-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] IBM TO KICK OFF WITH LINUX PLAY
  44. 2003-09-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] IBM TO KICK OFF WITH LINUX PLAY
  45. 2003-09-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] unInteresting article on Valenti
  46. 2003-09-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Good news
  47. 2003-09-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite Continues
  48. 2003-09-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting (fwd)
  49. 2003-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting (fwd)
  50. 2003-09-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Materials
  51. 2003-09-07 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Materials
  52. 2003-09-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board meeting (fwd)
  53. 2003-09-07 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Education committee
  54. 2003-09-07 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <michael.l.richardson-at-verizon.net> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft to pay $23M in Settlement
  55. 2003-09-07 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Materials
  56. 2003-09-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Remembering the Attachon New York
  57. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting (fwd)
  58. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell 'puts entire ecosystem behind Linux'
  59. 2003-09-08 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Threates Begin
  60. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] BE settles with Microsoft
  61. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Boycott the RIAA and Write your Congressman
  62. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moving from Slashdot to SlashDo
  63. 2003-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell 'puts entire ecosystem behind Linux'
  64. 2003-09-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell eyes role of Linux champion
  65. 2003-09-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P lawsuites continue
  66. 2003-09-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RIAA Biting the hand that feeds it
  67. 2003-09-08 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] This Thursday Eve Invite
  68. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Threates Begin
  69. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [lincoln-at-EmperorLinux.com: [EmperorLinux-Empkernel] empkernel (2420p6a0328sw) swsusp +]
  70. 2003-09-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  71. 2003-09-09 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Sex Needed
  72. 2003-09-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Sex Needed
  73. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Classes
  74. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Coperate Spounsorship for GNOME Summit
  75. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Education Meeting Tonight
  76. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] InServices September and October
  77. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal Meeting
  78. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Minutes
  79. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Orientation
  80. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  81. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Joe Grastara
  82. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Pasha Akbar
  83. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Tim Wilcox
  84. 2003-09-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Report says schools are unfair to America
  85. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sex Needed
  86. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Videos of Classes
  87. 2003-09-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Perl Jobs] PerlUnit Whiz for large-scale (10K TPS) web-based functional and load testing (part onsite), United States, NY, New York
  88. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  89. 2003-09-10 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Ms Crips
  90. 2003-09-10 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  91. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  92. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  93. 2003-09-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  94. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College
  95. 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Class Announcements
  96. 2003-09-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ms Crips
  97. 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Pleads ...
  98. 2003-09-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Vacation in the Persian Gulf
  99. 2003-09-11 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  100. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domestic political terrorists
  101. 2003-09-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College
  102. 2003-09-11 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months
  103. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  104. 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  105. 2003-09-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  106. 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents
  107. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents
  108. 2003-09-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO Pleads ...
  109. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Broad band and the law Suites
  110. 2003-09-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: 911
  111. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [ NYLXS Education Committee ] Re: Free Software Meeting in NYC [rms-at-gnu.org]
  112. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNIME Meeting Planning Meeting
  113. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft bit by patents
  114. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More on the RIAA Lawsuites: We should start a Brianna LaHara Defense Fund
  115. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh .. You Gotta have Heart.....
  116. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  117. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making our case
  118. 2003-09-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Volunteers needed for leafleting of the classes
  119. 2003-09-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wind River terminating BSD/OS
  120. 2003-09-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [html-at-ssc.com: SuitWatch - September 11]
  121. 2003-09-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Unix Error
  122. 2003-09-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] The Unix Error
  123. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [nylug-talk] The RIAA is finally making our case [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  124. 2003-09-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Ex-Apple Employee Slams Company / Who Killed Apple Computer?
  125. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Coder needed - Graduate of Perl 1 and Perl 2 perfered
  126. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: IRC meeting tommorow night at 11:00
  127. 2003-09-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ NYLXS Education Committee ] Re: Free Software Meeting in NYC
  128. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] [nylug-talk] The RIAA is finally making our case [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  129. 2003-09-12 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] System Specs - Mike (fwd)
  130. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Taxation without Representation: The Microsoft Nation
  131. 2003-09-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Unix Error
  132. 2003-09-13 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  133. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  134. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  135. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Job
  136. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Bill Putney
  137. 2003-09-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Reporting and Application Developer. (onsite), NY, New York, New York]
  138. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FSI Web Page
  139. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Public could care less about RIAA
  140. 2003-09-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Back in touch
  141. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I'll be a little late tonight
  142. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  143. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Need to get the phone put in at Kings Games
  144. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC is hostage to the Microsoft nation:
  145. 2003-09-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public could care less about RIAA
  146. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] See I am BRILENT
  147. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making our case
  148. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The RIAA is finally making ourcase
  149. 2003-09-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  150. 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] follow ups
  151. 2003-09-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] follow ups
  152. 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Free Software Developers Summit at Brooklyn College
  153. 2003-09-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Bottom Line is closing
  154. 2003-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Full-time E-Marketing Manager for Consumer
  155. 2003-09-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: STAFF DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHER - E-Commerce Site]
  156. 2003-09-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-517e-1807-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux PR newsletter for September 15, 2003]
  157. 2003-09-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  158. 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  159. 2003-09-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  160. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  161. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  162. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] American Graphitti
  163. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DRM and the Upgrade Escalator is starting Now
  164. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FCC is being undressed in a broad way. Can the RIAA be far behind?
  165. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Flyer
  166. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In IBM we trust
  167. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ISP Privacy in apealet court
  168. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Librarians strike back
  169. 2003-09-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Los Alamos Linux cluster to keep watch on nukes
  170. 2003-09-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open source helps education effort in Third World
  171. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pluggin Patents Upheld - Threatens Internet
  172. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] In IBM we trust
  173. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The latest on the WTC Development
  174. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Twistie Turnie WTC
  175. 2003-09-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Who to do Business With - and it is not Alex Pilosoft
  176. 2003-09-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Should Microsoft be Liable for Bugs? (fwd)
  177. 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl DBI Applications Programmer wanted for small company. Telecommute. (telecommute), United States, MD, Baltimore]
  178. 2003-09-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer/Systems Administrator (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  179. 2003-09-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  180. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  181. 2003-09-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  182. 2003-09-17 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  183. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Memebership Committee Meeting
  184. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server]
  185. 2003-09-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server]
  186. 2003-09-17 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C# SQL-server]
  187. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME SUmmit Plan
  188. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  189. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for
  190. 2003-09-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Memebership Committee Meeting
  191. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: What's going on with Embperl???
  192. 2003-09-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] September 12, 2001
  193. 2003-09-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] job: (Recruiter) contract - Nassau county, NY - C#
  194. 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  195. 2003-09-18 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  196. 2003-09-18 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  197. 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  198. 2003-09-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  199. 2003-09-18 Luis Villa <louie-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome Summitt Web Page
  200. 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Will a New Software Strategy Lift the Dark Clouds Over Sun?
  201. 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for September 18, 2003 [reply-52dc-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com]
  202. 2003-09-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: openssh (second release) (SuSE-SA:2003:039) [draht-at-suse.de]
  203. 2003-09-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] rms-at-gnu.org: Re: GNOME Summit
  204. 2003-09-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware Linux 9.1 Beta 2 Available
  205. 2003-09-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Will a New Software Strategy Lift the Dark Clouds Over Sun?
  206. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  207. 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  208. 2003-09-19 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  209. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  210. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  211. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  212. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  213. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  214. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  215. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  216. 2003-09-19 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  217. 2003-09-19 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DRM and the Upgrade Escalator is starting Now
  218. 2003-09-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] September 12, 2001
  219. 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  220. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  221. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  222. 2003-09-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  223. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  224. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  225. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  226. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  227. 2003-09-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  228. 2003-09-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  229. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] 65% of ATMs will run Windows by 2005
  230. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Balmer: MS is being ripped off by the net
  231. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Minutes - Tahdah
  232. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Museum of the Day 2
  233. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] News from the Middle East: Report of tourture chambers in Iraq
  234. 2003-09-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC Job for Linux
  235. 2003-09-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] sspamassassin
  236. 2003-09-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] update from WindowsRefund.net
  237. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Downloading in the News
  238. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P is moral and upright
  239. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Free Software Institute Classes
  240. 2003-09-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The shaping of young minds:
  241. 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Security Alert: In the wild exploit damages data and OS
  242. 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite tonight
  243. 2003-09-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] tomorrow: Orientation Board Meeting and FSI Planning Meeting
  244. 2003-09-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Come out and hang flyers.
  245. 2003-09-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: tomorrow: Orientation Board Meeting and FSI Planning Meeting
  246. 2003-09-22 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Identity Theft]
  247. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: computer resources
  248. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  249. 2003-09-23 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: computer resources
  250. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: computer resources
  251. 2003-09-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] RE:Business application SW for Linux
  252. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb
  253. 2003-09-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb
  254. 2003-09-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  255. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  256. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  257. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Important Conference which we need to attend
  258. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes
  259. 2003-09-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes
  260. 2003-09-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] sspamassassin
  261. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] China Linux lobby a major threat to Microsoft Windows
  262. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Computer Associates' Open Innovation Strategy takes Linux to ente
  263. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Danger Zone
  264. 2003-09-24 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fighting the Microsoft Mail Bomb
  265. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Help needed this Embperl Development: What's going on with Embperl???
  266. 2003-09-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] HP Expected to Indemnify Linux Customers
  267. 2003-09-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 Class happening from tonight and notes
  268. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Talking about 12 year-old copyright violators... See "The New Yorker" cover for Sept. 29.
  269. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nycwireless] RIAA's mistake highlights 802.11 vulnerability
  270. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nycwireless] RIAA's mistake highlights 802.11 vulnerability
  271. 2003-09-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  272. 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Deslexic Grandma Sued by RIAA: P2P Awakening
  273. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Movies Fair Use
  274. 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Much Insite as an aside to the SCO case
  275. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] No Call List hung up in Court
  276. 2003-09-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] P2P - front page of the NY Times
  277. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Target for NY Fair Use
  278. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite changes
  279. 2003-09-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [gus-at-inodes.org: Re: What's going on with Embperl???]
  280. 2003-09-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  281. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  282. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  283. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  284. 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  285. 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  286. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  287. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  288. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  289. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  290. 2003-09-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  291. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  292. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  293. 2003-09-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Microsoft: National Security Threat?
  294. 2003-09-26 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Nite changes
  295. 2003-09-26 Mark Bucciarelli <mark-at-hubcapconsulting.com> Subject: [hangout] Chicago Tribune Copyright Ethics Quiz
  296. 2003-09-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dave Please Follow Up [MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu]
  297. 2003-09-26 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  298. 2003-09-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Holdout Massachusetts Opts For Open Source
  299. 2003-09-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft: National Security Threat?
  300. 2003-09-28 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0
  301. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Chicago Tribune Copyright Ethics Quiz
  302. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu]
  303. 2003-09-29 Kenneth Dombrowski <kenneth-at-ylayali.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu]
  304. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  305. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hangout archive is password protected
  306. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc
  307. 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc
  308. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] mysqlcc
  309. 2003-09-29 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  310. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  311. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  312. 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  313. 2003-09-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  314. 2003-09-29 joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com Re: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0
  315. 2003-09-29 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Scribus 1.1.0
  316. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Anyone up for an actual tech meeting? [dan-at-acm.poly.edu]
  317. 2003-09-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: computer resources [MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu]
  318. 2003-09-29 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] mysqlcc
  319. 2003-09-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Need Apple PowerBook G4 Power supply
  320. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite Move? Vote?
  321. 2003-09-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Junior programmer for financial institution (onsite), United States, New York, New York]
  322. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  323. 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  324. 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  325. 2003-09-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  326. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  327. 2003-09-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  328. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  329. 2003-09-30 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  330. 2003-09-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  331. 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  332. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  333. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  334. 2003-09-30 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  335. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  336. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  337. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  338. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  339. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans
  340. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  341. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  342. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> RE: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  343. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Conference Plans
  344. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] How to Get Attention without dropping your pants
  345. 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft agrees to TRON tie-up
  346. 2003-09-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenBSD used in MS Services for Unix 3.0
  347. 2003-09-30 From: "J L" <lokokool-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] Putting a lid on broadband use
  348. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ransom Love on SCO
  349. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  350. 2003-09-30 Nat Friedman <nat-at-ximian.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans
  351. 2003-09-30 From: "Mark S. Gold" <MARK-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  352. 2003-09-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference Plans
  353. 2003-09-30 Mitzu Handy <MHandy-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  354. 2003-09-30 From: "Mark S. Gold" <MARK-at-brooklyn.cuny.edu> Subject: [hangout] RE: GNOME Conference Plans
  355. 2003-09-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam from your Circuits

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