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DATE 2016-10-05
FROM Rick Moen
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Quoting Ruben Safir (mrbrklyn-at-panix.com):

> OK _ I read them and your voting wrong on almost all the referendums.

Awesome!

> Regulation of grocery stores is wrong and immoral.

There go the FDA, OSHA, and building inspectors. I'll give them the bad
news for you.

> Juvenal offenders...

Offenders who spend time reading the satires of Juvenal? People whose
reading of Juvenal offends someone?

> ...are more violent and dangerous than adults, regardless of the crime
> they were actually prosecuted for and need to be jailed more than even
> the adults.

So, California should ignore the Federal court orders resulting from
Brown v. Plata? Ignore the US Supreme Court when it ordered the state
to reduce its prison population to no more than 137.5% of the
facilities' design capacity? That could get extremely expensive for
both the state as a whole and state officials. The latter would
probably start facing contempt of court citations pretty soon, prison
time, and fines.

I'll pass along to our officials your suggestion that they do hard
prison time. Maybe Nevada can house them (so that, y'know, putting our
state officials in prison won't worsen the existing problem).

I'm _sure_ you didn't blow right past the fact that Gov. Brown is trying
to find the cheapest and least harmful way to comply with court orders
-- because of course you're incredibly careful not to just mouth off in
ignorance.

What I cannot understand, however, is your failing to pay attention to
Prop. 57 arranging early release only for certain _non-violent_
offenders (both adult and juvenile). At first glance, your comment
would appear totally non-sequitur to the issue being voted, as if you
merely saw the words 'juvenile court judge decides whether juvenile will
be prosecuted as adult' and decided that's the only thing this
proposition is about. Care to explan that?


> Executions, that is good.

You'll notice my page aims to be _equally_ useful to people who think
executions are good, those who think executions are bad, those who
think some are good and some are bad, and those who don't have an
opinion. (FWIW, I'm in the third category.)

I'd regard it as extremely depressing if you thought the page was merely
some sort of advocacy beat-readers-over-the-head rag like a garden
variety Ruben Safir mailing list posting.


> Your understanding of drug pricing is laughable.

Maybe yes, maybe no -- but I didn't express any view on drug pricing.

> They will never be able to purchase anything but a small subset of
> drugs at anywhere close what the VA purchases them for in any event
> and the VA suffers from extortion just like anyone else.

It's an open question what effects Prop. 61 would have, as noted by
outside experts quoted in the linked newspaper stories. I'm undecided
on my personal vote (which is why the note about 'with reservations' is
there). If the state does pass it and adverse results occur,
fortunately the Legislature can annul or modify it with a simple
statute. (I.e., it's not a constitutional amendment, just an initiative
statute.)




> Your analysis on debt is one area where you are spot on.

It's almost like I passed the CPA exam in the 1980s. (Oh, wait....)

> Debt not only drives down financial stability, but also funds
> ambitious liberal programs that should never be allowed in the first
> place.

Unless my finance professors mislead me shamefully, general-obligation
bonds proceed fund _all_ General Fund programs.

> The Marijuana referendum should be a no until great regulation is
> outlined.

Er, the regulation would be that of commerce, as it would be merely a
lawful commodity in trade -- plus usual regulations applicable to lawful
drugs. You know, mixed-market capitalism.

> The comment about non-corporate drugs is misplaced and borders on
> ignorant.

Oh, you mean my passing jibe about the 'War Against Drugs Lacking Major
Corporate Sponsorship'? Sometime I use the phrase 'War on Some Drugs',
which is just a bit more sly. Would you prefer that?

I mean, there's not a war on drugs, just a war on _some_ of them -- and
miraculously the ones with major corporate sponsorship aren't in it.
Coincidence, I'm sure, but enough to justify the handy name.


> Redirecting bad sales to a state fund is a no on general principle.

I'm tired of 'general principle', in that it has a depressing tendency
to fuel grandiose ideological bloviations that waste everyone's time. I
vote on the specific merits of things in their specific contexts.


> The state and everyone should attack corperate funding of political
> campaigns.

As I hope you know, no state can overturn Citizens United v. Federal
Election Commission. Only the USSC or Congress can do so directly.
States can of course propose amendments to the US Constitution to be
initiated into the ratification process via either Congress or via
constitutional conventions. (The latter method has never been used
since before ratification of the base Constitution.)

Prop. 59 would advise the Legislature that an advisory vote of the state
electorate wishes to have the state's officers use 'their constitutional
authority' to try to get Citizens United overturned. It doesn't dictate
how, and has no other effect.


> This should not be done by referendum. Seriously, how is that
> supposed to work? Your gonna drag the entire California political
> system into court, one by one?

You really aren't even spending more than a few seconds _pretending_ to
read these things.

Which means you're wasting everyone's time and just mouthing off.


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  91. 2016-10-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [PhishTank] Regarding your comment left for
  92. 2016-10-12 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] OpenSuse flavor without the install issues
  93. 2016-10-12 Paul Akerman <pauldakerman-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] MP3 and software piracy at Stanford
  94. 2016-10-12 IEEE CS Webinars <csconnection-at-computer.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Don't Forget to Register: Free Art of Hacking
  95. 2016-10-12 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2016:2513-1: important:
  96. 2016-10-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  97. 2016-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Mylan to Settle EpiPen Overpricing Case for
  98. 2016-10-11 Christopher League <cleague-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Invitation: Phylogenetics project mtg -at- Thu
  99. 2016-10-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  100. 2016-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  101. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Invitation: Phylogenetics project mtg -at- Thu
  102. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  103. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  104. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  105. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  106. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  107. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  108. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Secretary of Commerce Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown
  109. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  110. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  111. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  112. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  113. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  114. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  115. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  116. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  117. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  118. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  119. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  120. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  121. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  122. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  123. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  124. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  125. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  126. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  127. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  128. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  129. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Bucharest, here we come
  130. 2016-10-13 ruth02-at-web.de Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  131. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Bucharest, here we come
  132. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  133. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  134. 2016-10-13 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: How to Decrease Priority of a Process Beyond
  135. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  136. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  137. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  138. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Bucharest, here we come
  139. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] UNESCO declares Jews don't exist
  140. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  141. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  142. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  143. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  144. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  145. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  146. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  147. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  148. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  149. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  150. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  151. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  152. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  153. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  154. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  155. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  156. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  157. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  158. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [luny-talk] Fwd: [LUNY!] UNIGROUP 20-OCT-2016
  159. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] AlQuadia in Yemen? Where? Not over here!
  160. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  161. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] AlQuadia in Yemen? Where? Not over here!
  162. 2016-10-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  163. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  164. 2016-10-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  165. 2016-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: News from Hackster.io
  166. 2016-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] a new generation discovers freedom
  167. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] oldie but goodie
  168. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  169. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  170. 2016-10-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  171. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Secretary of Commerce Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown
  172. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  173. 2016-10-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  174. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  175. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [Learn] 3d scanning in the field
  176. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Jobs
  177. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] mandated decryption
  178. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  179. 2016-10-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  180. 2016-10-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Secretary of Commerce Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown
  181. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  182. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Secretary of Commerce Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown
  183. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Secretary of Commerce Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown
  184. 2016-10-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  185. 2016-10-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Secretary of Commerce Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown
  186. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  187. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  188. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  189. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  190. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  191. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  192. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  193. 2016-10-18 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  194. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  195. 2016-10-18 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <email-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The Science of Predicting an Election and Brain 101
  196. 2016-10-18 IEEE Computer Society <csconnection-at-computer.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] FINAL WEEK: Registration Discount Ends Friday for
  197. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  198. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] paleo projects
  199. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] and one chain to control them all
  200. 2016-10-20 IEEE Computer Society <csconnection-at-computer.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Can Artificial Intelligence Be Safe? Find out at
  201. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] publication
  202. 2016-10-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] and one chain to control them all
  203. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] and one chain to control them all
  204. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  205. 2016-10-21 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2016:2592-1: important:
  206. 2016-10-21 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] openSUSE-SU-2016:2584-1:
  207. 2016-10-21 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2016:2585-1: important:
  208. 2016-10-21 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2016:2589-1: important:
  209. 2016-10-21 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2016:2592-1: important:
  210. 2016-10-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] and one chain to control them all
  211. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] and one chain to control them all
  212. 2016-10-21 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Rubin please stop sending opensuse security alerts
  213. 2016-10-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Rubin please stop sending opensuse security
  214. 2016-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  215. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie Night
  216. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie Night
  217. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie Night
  218. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  219. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  220. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  221. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Clinton is positively unqualified for public office
  222. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  223. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  224. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  225. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  226. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  227. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  228. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  229. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  230. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  231. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  232. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  233. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  234. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  235. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  236. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  237. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  238. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  239. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  240. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  241. 2016-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] movie week
  242. 2016-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is just
  243. 2016-10-27 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  244. 2016-10-27 ISOC-NY announcements <announce-at-lists.isoc-ny.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?=5Bisoc-ny=5D_JOB=3A_Adjunct_Prof_for_C?=
  245. 2016-10-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  246. 2016-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New member
  247. 2016-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] FSF - times passses
  248. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  249. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  250. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  251. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  252. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  253. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  254. 2016-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  255. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  256. 2016-10-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  257. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  258. 2016-10-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  259. 2016-10-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  260. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  261. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  262. 2016-10-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  263. 2016-10-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  264. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  265. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Michelle Obama of Chicago tells all that elections
  266. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  267. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Apache 2.4, mod_perl 2.0.9,
  268. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] third parties run amuck
  269. 2016-10-30 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Apache 2.4, mod_perl 2.0.9,
  270. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Apache 2.4, mod_perl 2.0.9,
  271. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Orders for the Thesis,
  272. 2016-10-31 From: <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] older programmers
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