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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Tue Oct 18 20:04:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www.mrbrklyn.com (www.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAEE160BB4; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:04:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCC5160877 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.62] (www.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 764B019463 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:04:43 -0400 (EDT) To: hangout-at-nylxs.com References: <20161013211923.GA8426-at-linuxmafia.com> <20161013230437.GH8426-at-linuxmafia.com> <258cdfde-80ef-bbc4-6ea4-2e0e2b9847cd-at-panix.com> <20161013231704.GI8426-at-linuxmafia.com> <7f87e938-05a3-4ab0-d02a-8eea3c6e04d1-at-my.liu.edu> <20161016033024.GF12744-at-linuxmafia.com> <980e0bec-aa5c-0a26-e88d-488f30dbb8fd-at-panix.com> <20161016191029.GG12744-at-linuxmafia.com> <20161017011418.GJ12744-at-linuxmafia.com> From: Ruben Safir Message-ID: <63d4bea4-3e3d-9c75-6eca-e999c7b71ea3-at-panix.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:04:43 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161017011418.GJ12744-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting..... X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: NYLXS Discussions List List-Id: NYLXS Discussions List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "hangout"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/opinions/trump-israel-policy-greenblatt/index= .html
I think this is written by the same guy with the ADL quip... since when BTW, do major announcments of the ADL come through twitter? Maybe since Foxman decided that he will support Clinton unlike most of the rest of the Jews that live around Brooklyn
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/opinions/trump-israel-policy-greenblatt/index= .html
rump gets it right on Jerusalem
Jason Greenblatt
Updated 8:52 AM ET, Wed June 29, 2016 Donald Trump: 'No daylight' between U.S. and Israel donald trump aipac bts tsr_00003901
Donald Trump: 'No daylight' between U.S. and Israel 00:56 Story highlights
Jason Greenblatt: We need a president whose word can be counted on at home and abroad Trump would recognize the right of the Israeli people to choose their capital city, he says
"Jason Greenblatt is an executive vice president and chief legal officer of The Trump Organization, co-founder of www.inspireconversation.com and an adviser on Israel to presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump. You can follow him -at-JasonDovEsq. The views expressed are his own."
(CNN)It seems to be a regular feature of the U.S presidential election cycle: Candidates from both parties solemnly pledge to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, only to sidestep the issue upon taking office. Shouldn't the selection of a capital city rest solely with the people of the country who reside there? Donald Trump believes it should. As president, he would recognize the right of the Israeli people to choose their capital city (a choice, incidentally, that has remained unchanged throughout 3,500 years of uninterrupted Jewish presence in Israel). That choice is Jerusalem.
Ever since King David established Jerusalem as the capital of the Land of Israel three millennia ago, the city has held unique significance to the Jewish people -- both geographically and spiritually. Prior to modern times, Jerusalem largely comprised what is commonly referred to today as the Old City, the eastern section of Jerusalem (sometimes called East Jerusalem) where Judaism's holiest sites are located, including the Temple Mount and the Western Wall. Jason Greenblatt Jason Greenblatt The Temple Mount is considered to be the holiest place in the world for Jews, while the Western Wall is the remnant of an outer wall of the Second Temple, and is especially dear to Jews as it is the location closest to what was the holiest part of the Second Temple. The Old City also contains churches, such as the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and other areas that are of great importance, historically and prophetically to Christians. Muslims, for their part, revere the Al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock, a site constructed in the 7th century on the site where the Jewish temples once stood. History records that only twice have invaders managed to expel the Jews from the Old City (though never from Israel entirely): the exile following the Romans' destruction of the Second Temple almost 2,000 years ago, lasting nearly a century, and the 19-year Jordanian occupation beginning in 1948. After Israel achieved independence that year, an Arab coalition invaded, with Jordan capturing the Old City, destroying historic synagogues, desecrating Jewish cemeteries and barring Jewish worshipers from its holy sites. But when Jordan attacked Israel again in the Six Day War of 1967, Israel successfully routed its advancing forces, enabling Israel to recapture the Old City. After 2,000 years, the city of Jerusalem was reunited under Jewish control, and has been open to worshipers from all faiths ever since. That openness -- in a city teeming with ethnic and religious diversity -- is a powerful testament to freedom and pluralism in a region desperately in need of both. Yet some suggest redividing the city, in the belief that peace will follow. One need only look southward, to Gaza, to realize the folly of that plan. An undivided Jerusalem must remain Israel's eternal capital. After all, no other arrangement ensures open access to the city's holy sites for all who wish to pray there. Since ancient times, nations have recognized each other's authority to designate their own capitals. Yet somehow, modern Israel is held to a different standard. Some people fear that acknowledging Jerusalem as Israel's capital might offend its neighbors, the city's non-Jewish residents -- or even make them feel unwelcome in the place they call home. But the irony is that only during the time of the Jordanian occupation, when the Old City was outside of Israel's control, were Christians and Jews either barred or severely restricted from visiting their faiths' holy sites. By contrast, Israel has made the entire city accessible and welcoming to people of all faiths. Trump believes that, as the crossroads of the world's religions, a unified Jerusalem must remain open to all worshipers, and the reality is that any threat to Israel's rule over the city would imperil that free access. Recognizing Israel's authority to designate Jerusalem as its capital is the surest way to ensure harmony and that the holy sites in the city remain open to all who wish to visit them. What is Hillary Clinton's view? That depends on who is doing the asking. Is Donald Trump right about Hillary Clinton? Is Donald Trump right about Hillary Clinton? During her 2008 presidential campaign, then-Sen. Clinton pledged to support "Israel's right to exist in safety as a Jewish state, with defensible borders and an undivided Jerusalem as its capital." But fast-forward eight years, and she remains silent on the issue. Meanwhile, as recently as 2011, Clinton filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court in which she argued that recognizing Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem would "critically compromise the ability of the United States to work with the Israelis, Palestinians and others in the region to further the peace process." Which Clinton should we believe? We need a president who means what he says, one whose word can be counted on at home and abroad. Donald Trump believes in the right of the Israeli people to choose their capital, and his actions as president will show that he is a man of his word. As he said at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee policy conference last March, once he is elected, the United States will recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. In addition, Trump will eliminate the Israel-bashing that has been a regular item on the agenda of the current administration, an ugly trend that would likely continue under an administration led by Hillary Clinton. Just two years ago, Clinton boasted to CNN that she was often the Obama administration's "designated yeller" at Israel's leaders. She even chastised the Israelis for building in east Jerusalem itself. Enough is enough.
****A Trump administration will be a true friend to Israel. Jerusalem is Israel's capital, and the undivided city is essential to the security of its all its citizens regardless of their religious faith. Israel -- and its allies here in America -- need Donald Trump as the next president of the United States.****
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On 10/16/2016 09:14 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Ruben Safir (mrbrklyn-at-panix.com): > =
>> He has been a pretty good supporter of the Jewish community for decades >> and he has helped the Russian Emigres with man and material. He has >> been generous with donations to Synagogues and Yeshiva. All >> anti-Semites should be so inclined. > =
> You must be right. People never change their positions dramatically in =
> politics in just a couple of years for expediency's sake. And what > would ADL know about Anti-Semitism, after all? > =
> Jonathan Greenblatt > -at-GreenblattADL > =
> -at-TeamTrump should avoid rhetoric&tropes that historically have been > used ag. Jews & still spur #antisemitism. Lets keep hate out of cmpgn > =
> https://twitter.com/JGreenblattADL/status/786672319452291074 > =
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> Trump's Anti-Semitic Speech Came From Breitbart, The Alt-Right, And > Alex Jones > October 14, 2016 12:30 PM EDT ALEX KAPLAN > =
> Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump=E2=80=99s October 13 speech > pushed the conspiracy theory that the media, corporations, and =E2=80= =9Cglobal > financial powers=E2=80=9D such as banks are, in concert, harming Americ= a and > working with Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton to defeat > him. This claim -- which several journalists noted was an anti-Semitic > dog whistle -- comes from the white nationalist =E2=80=9Calt-right=E2= =80=9D movement, > which includes the website of Trump=E2=80=99s campaign CEO, Breitbart N= ews, and > radio host conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. > [...] > =
> https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/10/14/trumps-anti-semitic-speech-came-= breitbart-alt-right-and-alex-jones/213842 > =
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> WASHINGTON =E2=80=93 Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump = on > Thursday invoked a series of stereotypes about Jews that are often > deemed offensive and even anti-Semitic =E2=80=94 in an address to Jewish > Republicans. > =
> =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m a negotiator like you folks were negotiators,=E2= =80=9D the controversial > candidate declared to his audience at the Republican Jewish Coalition, > as he explained that he would broker a stronger nuclear deal with Iran > than the one concluded earlier this year. At another point in his > speech, he said: =E2=80=9CIs there anyone in this room who doesn=E2=80= =99t negotiate > deals? Probably more than any room I=E2=80=99ve ever spoken.=E2=80=9D > =
> His speech came at the tail end of a morning of addresses in which the > other Republican candidates boasted of their pro-Israel credentials and > their close ties to the US Jewish community. > =
> Although Trump did reiterate his tight ties with his =E2=80=9Cfriend=E2= =80=9D Prime > Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the audience wasn=E2=80=99t tolerant of th= e mogul=E2=80=99s > attempts to duck a question on Jerusalem. Asked about his position on > the unification of the Israeli capital, Trump refused to commit =E2=80= =93 as > most Republican candidates have =E2=80=93 to declaring the city to be t= he > eternal capital of the Jewish state, and was greeted with boos. > =
> However, the audience did not offer any negative response when Trump > told them, =E2=80=9CYou=E2=80=99re not gonna support me even though you = know I=E2=80=99m the > best thing that could ever happen to Israel. And I=E2=80=99ll be that.= =E2=80=9D He > continued, evoking a stereotype about Jews, money and control, =E2=80= =9CAnd I > know why you=E2=80=99re not going to support me. You=E2=80=99re not goi= ng to support me > because I don=E2=80=99t want your money. Isn=E2=80=99t it crazy?=E2=80= =9D > =
> According to AP, he added: =E2=80=9CYou want to control your own politi= cian.=E2=80=9D > =
> http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-courts-jewish-republicans-with-offensi= ve-stereotypes/ > =
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> Donald Trump shares images and tweets from white supremacists with his > millions of followers. They, in turn, use social media to attack Jews > who publicly oppose Trump=E2=80=99s election or simply ask Trump to sto= p playing > footsie with fascists. These attacks are often explicitly anti-Semitic. > For most of these Jews, this is their first time being subjected to > anti-Semitic attacks. As we have seen from their testimonials, it is an > unnerving experience. > =
> Dana Schwartz found herself in this situation. Among the threats and > jeers, an image of Schwartz in a gas chamber and a smiling Trump with > his finger on the button. But unlike most journalists, she happened to > work at the New York Observer, a newspaper owned by Donald Trump=E2=80= =99s > son-in-law, Jared Kushner. > =
> Kushner is more than just a Trump by marriage. He is a confident of the > candidate, an advisor and a fixer. He is also, like Lieberman, > religiously devout Jew and an ardent Zionist. > =
> So Schwartz wrote a public letter to Kushner. How, she asked, could he > support a man who promotes anti-Semitic propaganda and whose followers > attack Jews with anti-Semitic language and imagery? =
> =
> Kushner responded. He testified to Trump=E2=80=99s acceptance of him a= nd his > wife, who converted to Judaism. He told his own family=E2=80=99s harrow= ing > Holocaust story. He asserted that the accusations against Trump are > overblown. > =
> He condemned the attacks on Schwartz. And then he seemed to concede the > obvious. The Star of David money shot was a problem. It was no ordinary > star. It had been posted in haste. Trump (or his team) can be =E2=80=9C= careless=E2=80=9D > and make =E2=80=9Csmall mistakes.=E2=80=9D > =
> Later that day, at a press conference, Trump disagreed. He hadn=E2=80= =99t been > careless and no mistakes had been made. The tweet, which had been > removed, should have stayed up. The Jewish star on the pile of money > held no deeper meaning. While he didn=E2=80=99t mention Kushner by name= , the > rebuke was plain. > =
> According to classic anti-Semitic myth, Jews exert control from behind > the scenes. So a Lieberman or a Sanders, while undesirable to the > typical anti-Semite, is ironically less of a threat than Jewish > reporters, financiers, and intellectuals pulling the strings behind the > scenes. And, less of a threat than a Jew like Jared, whispering in > Trump=E2=80=99s ear. > =
> When push comes to shove, and push certainly will come to shove, Jews > should know that Trump doesn=E2=80=99t need them. That=E2=80=99s what h= e told the > assembled at the Republican Jewish Coalition this past December; it=E2= =80=99s > what he told the press when he undercut his son-in-law. > =
> He needs only the mob. Jews are expendable. =
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> http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.732457 > =
> =
> I'm sure you're right. All of this is just paranoid imagination. He'd > never just try to use you, and have fallen in love with the support of =
> anti-Semitic mobs and organizations (Breitbart News, Alex Jones). I > mean, that would be wrong. > =
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