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DATE | 2016-10-05 |
FROM | Rick Moen
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Hey, Ruben! Plastic bag initiatives!
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Wed Oct 5 01:07:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www.mrbrklyn.com (www.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A4F163E9C; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 01:07:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C835161469 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 01:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rick by linuxmafia.com with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1breQB-0006zW-Fl for hangout-at-nylxs.com; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 22:07:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 22:07:11 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Message-ID: <20161005050711.GQ13715-at-linuxmafia.com> References: <9eb96b45-1171-a5bd-3408-06dd51945be1-at-mrbrklyn.com> <9faa09cb-1d2b-921a-7fa8-bc75bb3e0923-at-panix.com> <20160907030710.GT900-at-linuxmafia.com> <20160930224043.GA3246-at-linuxmafia.com> <20161005004337.GD4313-at-panix.com> <20161005025609.GK13715-at-linuxmafia.com> <00948582-276b-e037-b502-c72b49468340-at-panix.com> <19107994-b113-55c7-ba85-3e64c6e3a580-at-panix.com> <20161005043659.GO13715-at-linuxmafia.com> <418d2a19-b7dc-49c4-9534-2302dc4d603a-at-my.liu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <418d2a19-b7dc-49c4-9534-2302dc4d603a-at-my.liu.edu> Organization: If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already. X-Mas: Bah humbug. X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: rick-at-linuxmafia.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on linuxmafia.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Hey, Ruben! Plastic bag initiatives! X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: NYLXS Discussions List List-Id: NYLXS Discussions List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "hangout"
Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu):
> On 10/05/2016 12:36 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > > It's telling that the electorate have not yet > > felt the necessity. > > No it is not. You always underestimate the principle of apathy.
I don't care about apathy. ;->
California got into a lot of trouble through decades of successive measures to tie the hands of its legislators without compelling reason. I'll not vote for yet another of those, which is exactly what Proposition 53 is.
You might find interesting that three of the four governors who've fixed the budget in California have for more than 50 years been Democrats: Pat Brown, Gray Davis, Jerry Brown. The fourth was the highly competent and admirable Republican George Deukmejian (for whom I voted in the 1982 general election over L.A. Mayor Tom Bradley).
The post-1950s governors who've fscked up state finances royally have _all_ been Republicans: Ronald Reagan, Pete Wilson, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Schwarzenegger's financial screwup was so ghastly and severe that California is still suffering severe aftereffects, five years after he left office. (It's a truism that governors tend to be no better than their staffs, and Schwarzenegger made the mistake of recycling Governor Pete Wilson's staff, mostly. In fairness, CA probably would have gotten away with the Schwarzenegger-era improvident practices if two successive severe economic downturns hadn't happened. But issuing a massive amount general-obligation bond debt _just_ to close a budget shortfall was still a ghastly error.)
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