|Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
|Quoting Ruben Safir (mrbrklyn-at-panix.com):
> Iraq had [...] a state of the art jet proposition lab
(_Proposition) lab, I like that. Turning out devilishly complicated
variants on the words 'of' and 'about', I would imagine.]
Here, let me help you, starting with a circa-1990 article:
Al Kindi Research Complex / Saad 16
Sa'ad General Establishment
Saad 16, located at Mosul near the Tigris River, was the biggest
missile development site in Iraq. It was the primary Condor II missile
development center, with additional research conducted on chemical and
nuclear weapons. Missile research facilities include launch range,
high-speed wind tunnels, missile test facilities, and chemical and
electronics laboratories. An aircraft production facility was planned
nearby. Among the projects at Saad 16 was a nuclear weapon construction
As early as 1986, the Pentagon had intelligence information linking
Sa'ad 16 to missile work, as well as other weapons of mass-destruction.
The earliest detailed accounts of Sa'ad 16 in the open press,emerged in
January 1989, when the German magazine Stern published a list of the
Sa'ad 16 laboratories. At least 78 laboratories were located at Sa'ad
16, including four for testing engine starting material and fuel
mixtures, two for calometric testing of fuels, two for developing
control systems and navigation equipment and one for measuring
aerodynamic quantities on models.
The Al Kindi Research Complex, formerly known as Saad 16 or the Sa'ad
General Establishment, was a part of the State Organization for
Technical Industries (SOTI), a part of the Iraqi Ministry of Defense.
Another name for Sa'ad 16 was the "Research and Development Center."
In its glory days of circa 1986, Saad 16, according to Jonathan Pollard
in 2002, was huge and of great concern to the Israelis, who kept
trying to pass on information to the US about it, but the US DoD and CIA
repeatedly assured the Israelis that it was merely a small scale
civilian industrial project', i.e., lied to protect the Iraqis' thin
cover story, because of course the US aat that time was trying to help
and encourage Iraq's chemical weapons offensive against Iran.
Guess what? Turns out, we apparently found out in 2003 that the US
campaign during the 1980s to foil development of Condor II by denying
export licenses to all firms working on Condor II-linked facilities
worked as designed. And...
At this point, I was hoping to include a concluding account of 2003
occupation authority / US Army inspection at Saad 16 finding
this-and-that or nothing or something, but instead there's a curious
silence after the late 1980s, except for... um... numerous commerce
notes, of sales to Saad 16 by... us.
Now, as to other US companies which dealt bio war or chemwar agents to
Iraq—all such sales having been approved by the US government—the names
of these companies are contained in records of the 1992 Senate hearings,
“United States Export Policy Toward Iraq Prior to Iraq’s Invasion of
Kuwait,” Senate Report 102-996, Senate Committee on Banking Housing and
Urban Affairs, 102d Congress, Second Session (October 27, 1992):
Mouse Master (Georgia), Sullaire Corp (Charlotte, North Carolina), Pure
Aire (Charlotte, North Carolina), Posi Seal (Conn.), Union Carbide
(Conn.), Evapco (Maryland), BDM Corp (Virginia), Spectra Physics
There are about a dozen more.
This also from the Blum article: “A larger number of American firms
supplied Iraq with the specialized computers, lasers, testing and
analyzing equipment, and other instruments and hardware vital to the
manufacture of nuclear weapons, missiles, and delivery systems.
Computers, in particular, play a key role in nuclear weapons
development. Advanced computers make it feasible to avoid carrying out
nuclear test explosions, thus preserving the program’s secrecy. The 1992
Senate hearings implicated [Hewlett Packard, Palo Alto, CA — among
Hewlett Packard said that the recipient of its shipments, Saad 16, was
some sort of school in Iraq. But in 1990, the Wall St. Journal stated
that Saad 16 was a “heavily fortified, state-of-the-art [Iraqi] complex
for aircraft construction, missile design, and, almost certainly,
There has been a considerable debate about whether Saddam hid some of
his bio/chem weapons in Syria, to evade UN weapons inspectors. If he
did, then is it possible the current situation in Syria has a few of its
roots in the US? Is it possible some of Syria’s WMDs originally came
If you review and think about all these WMD shipments from the US to
Iraq, you understand there were many US officials and corporate
employees who knew about them. Knew about them then, in the 1980s, and
knew about them later, during 2 US wars in Iraq, when American soldiers
were sent to Iraq, and could have been exposed to the biochem weapons.
And these officials and employees said nothing.
Officials at the CDC and the Dept. of Commerce said nothing. People at
the American Type Culture Collection said nothing. People at the
Pentagon and the CIA and the NSA said nothing. Presidents said nothing.
Employees of the corporations who supplied germs and chemicals said
It’s clear that the US government shipped those biochem weapons to Iraq
to aid it in its war against Iran. And yes, Iraq did use chemical
weapons against Iran—and also against the Iraqi Kurds. Perhaps you
remember that, much later, the US government repeated, over and over,
“Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds, his own people,” as a
reason for attacking Iraq.
So is there any limit beyond which the US government wouldn’t go to
foment war, to wage war?
So, basically, yes at _one_ point through the end of the 1980s, there
was (if you trust the WSJ's Beltway leaks) a 'heavily fortified,
state-of-the-art [Iraqi] complex for aircraft construction, missile
design, and, almost certainly, nuclear-weapons research' facility at
Saad 16 north of Mosul where Hussein's regime had attempted Stragelovian
techologies. We know this because we... um, cashed ther cheques.
While the August 18 NYT article added new details about the extent of
US military collaboration with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during
Iraq’s 1980-88 war with Iran, it omitted the most outrageous aspect of
the scandal: not only did Ronald Reagan’s Washington turn a blind-eye to
the Hussein regime’s repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian
soldiers and Iraq’s Kurdish minority, but the US helped Iraq develop its
chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. [...]
According to William Blum, writing in the August 1998 issue of the
Progressive, Sam Gejdenson, chairperson of a Congressional subcommittee
investigating US exports to Iraq, disclosed that from 1985 until 1990
“the US government approved 771 licenses [only 39 were rejected] for the
export to Iraq of $1.5 billion worth of biological agents and high-tech
equipment with military application …
“The US spent virtually an entire decade making sure that Saddam Hussein
had almost whatever he wanted… US export control policy was directed by
US foreign policy as formulated by the State Department, and it was US
foreign policy to assist the regime of Saddam Hussein.”
A 1994 US Senate report revealed that US companies were licenced by
the commerce department to export a “witch’s brew” of biological and
chemical materials, including bacillus anthracis (which causes anthrax)
and clostridium botulinum (the source of botulism). The American Type
Culture Collection made 70 shipments of the anthrax bug and other
The report also noted that US exports to Iraq included the precursors to
chemical warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare
facilities and chemical warhead filling equipment. US firms supplied
advanced and specialised computers, lasers, testing and analysing
equipment. Among the better-known companies were Hewlett Packard,
Unisys, Data General and Honeywell.
Billions of dollars worth of raw materials, machinery and equipment,
missile technology and other “dual-use” items were also supplied by West
German, French, Italian, British, Swiss and Austrian corporations, with
the approval of their governments (German firms even sold Iraq entire
factories capable of mass-producing poison gas). Much of this was
purchased with funds freed by the US CCC credits.
The destination of much of this equipment was Saad 16, near Mosul in
northern Iraq. Western intelligence agencies had long known that the
sprawling complex was Iraq’s main ballistic missile development centre.
Blum reported that Washington was fully aware of the likely use of this
material. In 1992, a US Senate committee learned that the commerce
department had deleted references to military end-use from information
it sent to Congress about 68 export licences, worth more than $1
In 1986, the US defence department’s deputy undersecretary for trade
security, Stephen Bryen, had objected to the export of an advanced
computer, similar to those used in the US missile program, to Saad 16
because “of the high likelihood of military end use”. The state and
commerce departments approved the sale without conditions.
It's no coincidence that this commercial honeymoon in the death business
came to a sudden end in 1990: That's when Hussein triggered the Gulf
War by invading Kuwait.
As of 1990, yeah, we knew what Hussein had at Saad 16 because, as the
old joke goes, _we cashed the cheques_. And I figure our spooks had
theire fingers crossed that they'd find at least one Republican Guard
squad brewing up one lousy fresh batch of anthrax, and all they had to
do was rub off the 'Made in USA' labels, but all they found was a desert
cousin of the South Bronx, i.e., just a junkyard and the same decay
products of former sarin, mustard gas, and similar short-lived munitions
a decade past usability that they found elsewhere.
Now, I'm betting the above poorly resembles the missing context you were
going to supply some time before the heat death of the universe, but
OTOH it has the advantage of being actually true.
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