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Quoting Ruben Safir (mrbrklyn-at-panix.com):

> Iraq had [...] a state of the art jet proposition lab =


(_Proposition) lab, I like that. Turning out devilishly complicated
variants on the words 'of' and 'about', I would imagine.]

Here, let me help you, starting with a circa-1990 article:
http://fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/facility/al_kindi.htm

Al Kindi Research Complex / Saad 16
Sa'ad General Establishment

Saad 16, located at Mosul near the Tigris River, was the biggest
missile development site in Iraq. It was the primary Condor II missile
development center, with additional research conducted on chemical and
nuclear weapons. Missile research facilities include launch range,
high-speed wind tunnels, missile test facilities, and chemical and
electronics laboratories. An aircraft production facility was planned
nearby. Among the projects at Saad 16 was a nuclear weapon construction
effort.

As early as 1986, the Pentagon had intelligence information linking
Sa'ad 16 to missile work, as well as other weapons of mass-destruction.
The earliest detailed accounts of Sa'ad 16 in the open press,emerged in
January 1989, when the German magazine Stern published a list of the
Sa'ad 16 laboratories. At least 78 laboratories were located at Sa'ad
16, including four for testing engine starting material and fuel
mixtures, two for calometric testing of fuels, two for developing
control systems and navigation equipment and one for measuring
aerodynamic quantities on models.

The Al Kindi Research Complex, formerly known as Saad 16 or the Sa'ad
General Establishment, was a part of the State Organization for
Technical Industries (SOTI), a part of the Iraqi Ministry of Defense.
Another name for Sa'ad 16 was the "Research and Development Center." =


In its glory days of circa 1986, Saad 16, according to Jonathan Pollard
in 2002[1], was huge and of great concern to the Israelis, who kept
trying to pass on information to the US about it, but the US DoD and CIA
repeatedly assured the Israelis that it was merely a small scale
civilian industrial project', i.e., lied to protect the Iraqis' thin
cover story, because of course the US aat that time was trying to help
and encourage Iraq's chemical weapons offensive against Iran. =


Guess what? Turns out, we apparently found out in 2003 that the US
campaign during the 1980s to foil development of Condor II by denying
export licenses to all firms working on Condor II-linked facilities
worked as designed. And...

At this point, I was hoping to include a concluding account of 2003
occupation authority / US Army inspection at Saad 16 finding
this-and-that or nothing or something, but instead there's a curious
silence after the late 1980s, except for... um... numerous commerce
notes, of sales to Saad 16 by... us.

Now, as to other US companies which dealt bio war or chemwar agents to
Iraq=E2=80=94all such sales having been approved by the US government=E2=
=80=94the names
of these companies are contained in records of the 1992 Senate hearings,
=E2=80=9CUnited States Export Policy Toward Iraq Prior to Iraq=E2=80=99s =
Invasion of
Kuwait,=E2=80=9D Senate Report 102-996, Senate Committee on Banking Housi=
ng and
Urban Affairs, 102d Congress, Second Session (October 27, 1992):

Mouse Master (Georgia), Sullaire Corp (Charlotte, North Carolina), Pure
Aire (Charlotte, North Carolina), Posi Seal (Conn.), Union Carbide
(Conn.), Evapco (Maryland), BDM Corp (Virginia), Spectra Physics
(Calif.).

There are about a dozen more.

This also from the Blum article: =E2=80=9CA larger number of American fir=
ms
supplied Iraq with the specialized computers, lasers, testing and
analyzing equipment, and other instruments and hardware vital to the
manufacture of nuclear weapons, missiles, and delivery systems.
Computers, in particular, play a key role in nuclear weapons
development. Advanced computers make it feasible to avoid carrying out
nuclear test explosions, thus preserving the program=E2=80=99s secrecy. T=
he 1992
Senate hearings implicated [Hewlett Packard, Palo Alto, CA =E2=80=94 among
others].=E2=80=9D

Hewlett Packard said that the recipient of its shipments, Saad 16, was
some sort of school in Iraq. But in 1990, the Wall St. Journal stated
that Saad 16 was a =E2=80=9Cheavily fortified, state-of-the-art [Iraqi] c=
omplex
for aircraft construction, missile design, and, almost certainly,
nuclear-weapons research.=E2=80=9D

There has been a considerable debate about whether Saddam hid some of
his bio/chem weapons in Syria, to evade UN weapons inspectors. If he
did, then is it possible the current situation in Syria has a few of its
roots in the US? Is it possible some of Syria=E2=80=99s WMDs originally c=
ame
from America?

If you review and think about all these WMD shipments from the US to
Iraq, you understand there were many US officials and corporate
employees who knew about them. Knew about them then, in the 1980s, and
knew about them later, during 2 US wars in Iraq, when American soldiers
were sent to Iraq, and could have been exposed to the biochem weapons.

And these officials and employees said nothing.
Officials at the CDC and the Dept. of Commerce said nothing. People at
the American Type Culture Collection said nothing. People at the
Pentagon and the CIA and the NSA said nothing. Presidents said nothing.
Employees of the corporations who supplied germs and chemicals said
nothing.

It=E2=80=99s clear that the US government shipped those biochem weapons t=
o Iraq
to aid it in its war against Iran. And yes, Iraq did use chemical
weapons against Iran=E2=80=94and also against the Iraqi Kurds. Perhaps you
remember that, much later, the US government repeated, over and over,
=E2=80=9CSaddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds, his own people,=
=E2=80=9D as a
reason for attacking Iraq.

So is there any limit beyond which the US government wouldn=E2=80=99t go =
to
foment war, to wage war?

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/is-this-why-no-one-found-wmds-in-iraq_062014

So, basically, yes at _one_ point through the end of the 1980s, there
was (if you trust the WSJ's Beltway leaks) a 'heavily fortified,
state-of-the-art [Iraqi] complex for aircraft construction, missile
design, and, almost certainly, nuclear-weapons research' facility at
Saad 16 north of Mosul where Hussein's regime had attempted Stragelovian
techologies. We know this because we... um, cashed ther cheques.

While the August 18 NYT article added new details about the extent of
US military collaboration with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during
Iraq=E2=80=99s 1980-88 war with Iran, it omitted the most outrageous aspe=
ct of
the scandal: not only did Ronald Reagan=E2=80=99s Washington turn a blind=
-eye to
the Hussein regime=E2=80=99s repeated use of chemical weapons against Ira=
nian
soldiers and Iraq=E2=80=99s Kurdish minority, but the US helped Iraq deve=
lop its
chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. [...]

According to William Blum, writing in the August 1998 issue of the
Progressive, Sam Gejdenson, chairperson of a Congressional subcommittee
investigating US exports to Iraq, disclosed that from 1985 until 1990
=E2=80=9Cthe US government approved 771 licenses [only 39 were rejected] =
for the
export to Iraq of $1.5 billion worth of biological agents and high-tech
equipment with military application =E2=80=A6

=E2=80=9CThe US spent virtually an entire decade making sure that Saddam =
Hussein
had almost whatever he wanted=E2=80=A6 US export control policy was direc=
ted by
US foreign policy as formulated by the State Department, and it was US
foreign policy to assist the regime of Saddam Hussein.=E2=80=9D =


A 1994 US Senate report revealed that US companies were licenced by
the commerce department to export a =E2=80=9Cwitch=E2=80=99s brew=E2=80=
=9D of biological and
chemical materials, including bacillus anthracis (which causes anthrax)
and clostridium botulinum (the source of botulism). The American Type
Culture Collection made 70 shipments of the anthrax bug and other
pathogenic agents.

The report also noted that US exports to Iraq included the precursors to
chemical warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare
facilities and chemical warhead filling equipment. US firms supplied
advanced and specialised computers, lasers, testing and analysing
equipment. Among the better-known companies were Hewlett Packard,
Unisys, Data General and Honeywell.

Billions of dollars worth of raw materials, machinery and equipment,
missile technology and other =E2=80=9Cdual-use=E2=80=9D items were also s=
upplied by West
German, French, Italian, British, Swiss and Austrian corporations, with
the approval of their governments (German firms even sold Iraq entire
factories capable of mass-producing poison gas). Much of this was
purchased with funds freed by the US CCC credits.

The destination of much of this equipment was Saad 16, near Mosul in
northern Iraq. Western intelligence agencies had long known that the
sprawling complex was Iraq=E2=80=99s main ballistic missile development c=
entre.

Blum reported that Washington was fully aware of the likely use of this
material. In 1992, a US Senate committee learned that the commerce
department had deleted references to military end-use from information
it sent to Congress about 68 export licences, worth more than $1
billion.

In 1986, the US defence department=E2=80=99s deputy undersecretary for tr=
ade
security, Stephen Bryen, had objected to the export of an advanced
computer, similar to those used in the US missile program, to Saad 16
because =E2=80=9Cof the high likelihood of military end use=E2=80=9D. The=
state and
commerce departments approved the sale without conditions.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17/how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemica=
l-weapons/

It's no coincidence that this commercial honeymoon in the death business =

came to a sudden end in 1990: That's when Hussein triggered the Gulf
War by invading Kuwait.

As of 1990, yeah, we knew what Hussein had at Saad 16 because, as the
old joke goes, _we cashed the cheques_. And I figure our spooks had
theire fingers crossed that they'd find at least one Republican Guard
squad brewing up one lousy fresh batch of anthrax, and all they had to
do was rub off the 'Made in USA' labels, but all they found was a desert
cousin of the South Bronx, i.e., just a junkyard and the same decay
products of former sarin, mustard gas, and similar short-lived munitions
a decade past usability that they found elsewhere.

Now, I'm betting the above poorly resembles the missing context you were
going to supply some time before the heat death of the universe, but
OTOH it has the advantage of being actually true.


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  56. 2016-10-07 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2016:2473-1: important:
  57. 2016-10-07 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Hey, Ruben! Plastic bag initiatives!
  58. 2016-10-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Hey, Ruben! Plastic bag initiatives!
  59. 2016-10-07 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Hey, Ruben! Plastic bag initiatives!
  60. 2016-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Hey, Ruben! Plastic bag initiatives!
  61. 2016-10-07 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Hey, Ruben! Plastic bag initiatives!
  62. 2016-10-07 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] take me off your system
  63. 2016-10-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] OS Free Lenovoa Server cheap
  64. 2016-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] OS Free Lenovoa Server cheap
  65. 2016-10-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Dell PowerEdge R710 8-Core 3.5" Server 48GB RAM
  66. 2016-10-09 Linux Journal Services <LinuxJournalservices-at-linuxjournalservices.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] WIN A FREE PAIR OF VIP PASSES TO SUSECON!
  67. 2016-10-05 Don Marti <dmarti-at-zgp.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [linux-elitists] Happy news on sofware patents?
  68. 2016-10-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] DRM is Theft - Remember the DMCA and the Clinton's
  69. 2016-10-10 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] DRM is Theft - Remember the DMCA and the
  70. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Free 3d printing
  71. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] DRM is Theft - Remember the DMCA and the
  72. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] DRM is Theft - Remember the DMCA and the
  73. 2016-10-10 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] DRM is Theft - Remember the DMCA and the
  74. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] DRM is Theft - Remember the DMCA and the
  75. 2016-10-10 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] DRM is Theft - Remember the DMCA and the
  76. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] DRM is Theft - Remember the DMCA and the
  77. 2016-10-10 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] DRM is Theft - Remember the DMCA and the
  78. 2016-10-10 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Let's meet for lunch
  79. 2016-10-10 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #272 - Howdy from a new editor!
  80. 2016-10-10 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] AI research
  81. 2016-10-10 andy bang <andy.bang-at-oracle.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] MySQL Enterprise Monitor 3.3.1 has been released
  82. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Keep advancing your computational and data
  83. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] phishtank
  84. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] phishtank
  85. 2016-10-10 hery.ramilison-at-oracle.com Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] MySQL Connector/Node.js 1.0.4 m3 Development
  86. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] phishtank
  87. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] phishtank
  88. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] phishtank
  89. 2016-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] AI research
  90. 2016-10-11 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] AI research
  91. 2016-10-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [PhishTank] Regarding your comment left for
  92. 2016-10-12 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] OpenSuse flavor without the install issues
  93. 2016-10-12 Paul Akerman <pauldakerman-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] MP3 and software piracy at Stanford
  94. 2016-10-12 IEEE CS Webinars <csconnection-at-computer.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Don't Forget to Register: Free Art of Hacking
  95. 2016-10-12 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2016:2513-1: important:
  96. 2016-10-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  97. 2016-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Mylan to Settle EpiPen Overpricing Case for
  98. 2016-10-11 Christopher League <cleague-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Invitation: Phylogenetics project mtg -at- Thu
  99. 2016-10-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  100. 2016-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  101. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Invitation: Phylogenetics project mtg -at- Thu
  102. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  103. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  104. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  105. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  106. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  107. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  108. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Secretary of Commerce Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown
  109. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  110. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  111. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  112. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  113. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  114. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  115. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  116. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  117. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  118. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  119. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  120. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  121. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  122. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  123. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  124. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  125. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  126. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  127. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  128. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  129. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Bucharest, here we come
  130. 2016-10-13 ruth02-at-web.de Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  131. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Bucharest, here we come
  132. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  133. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  134. 2016-10-13 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: How to Decrease Priority of a Process Beyond
  135. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  136. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  137. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  138. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Bucharest, here we come
  139. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] UNESCO declares Jews don't exist
  140. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  141. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  142. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  143. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  144. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  145. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  146. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  147. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  148. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  149. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  150. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  151. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  152. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  153. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  154. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  155. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  156. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  157. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  158. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [luny-talk] Fwd: [LUNY!] UNIGROUP 20-OCT-2016
  159. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] AlQuadia in Yemen? Where? Not over here!
  160. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  161. 2016-10-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] AlQuadia in Yemen? Where? Not over here!
  162. 2016-10-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  163. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  164. 2016-10-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  165. 2016-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: News from Hackster.io
  166. 2016-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] a new generation discovers freedom
  167. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] oldie but goodie
  168. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The First Lady behind all those criminal plots
  169. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  170. 2016-10-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  171. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Secretary of Commerce Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown
  172. 2016-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: phishtank
  173. 2016-10-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  174. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  175. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [Learn] 3d scanning in the field
  176. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Jobs
  177. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] mandated decryption
  178. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  179. 2016-10-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  180. 2016-10-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Secretary of Commerce Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown
  181. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  182. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Secretary of Commerce Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown
  183. 2016-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Secretary of Commerce Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown
  184. 2016-10-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  185. 2016-10-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Secretary of Commerce Ronald Harmon "Ron" Brown
  186. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  187. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  188. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  189. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  190. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  191. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  192. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  193. 2016-10-18 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  194. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  195. 2016-10-18 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <email-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The Science of Predicting an Election and Brain 101
  196. 2016-10-18 IEEE Computer Society <csconnection-at-computer.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] FINAL WEEK: Registration Discount Ends Friday for
  197. 2016-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  198. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] paleo projects
  199. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] and one chain to control them all
  200. 2016-10-20 IEEE Computer Society <csconnection-at-computer.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Can Artificial Intelligence Be Safe? Find out at
  201. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] publication
  202. 2016-10-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] and one chain to control them all
  203. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] and one chain to control them all
  204. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  205. 2016-10-21 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2016:2592-1: important:
  206. 2016-10-21 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] openSUSE-SU-2016:2584-1:
  207. 2016-10-21 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2016:2585-1: important:
  208. 2016-10-21 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2016:2589-1: important:
  209. 2016-10-21 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2016:2592-1: important:
  210. 2016-10-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] and one chain to control them all
  211. 2016-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] and one chain to control them all
  212. 2016-10-21 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Rubin please stop sending opensuse security alerts
  213. 2016-10-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Rubin please stop sending opensuse security
  214. 2016-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  215. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie Night
  216. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie Night
  217. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie Night
  218. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  219. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  220. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  221. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Clinton is positively unqualified for public office
  222. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  223. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  224. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  225. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  226. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  227. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  228. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  229. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  230. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  231. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  232. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  233. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  234. 2016-10-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  235. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  236. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  237. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  238. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  239. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  240. 2016-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  241. 2016-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] movie week
  242. 2016-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is just
  243. 2016-10-27 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  244. 2016-10-27 ISOC-NY announcements <announce-at-lists.isoc-ny.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?=5Bisoc-ny=5D_JOB=3A_Adjunct_Prof_for_C?=
  245. 2016-10-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  246. 2016-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New member
  247. 2016-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] FSF - times passses
  248. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  249. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  250. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  251. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  252. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  253. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
  254. 2016-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  255. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  256. 2016-10-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  257. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  258. 2016-10-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  259. 2016-10-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  260. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  261. 2016-10-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  262. 2016-10-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  263. 2016-10-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  264. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  265. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Michelle Obama of Chicago tells all that elections
  266. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] clinton is just not qualified ... and this is
  267. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Apache 2.4, mod_perl 2.0.9,
  268. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] third parties run amuck
  269. 2016-10-30 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Apache 2.4, mod_perl 2.0.9,
  270. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Apache 2.4, mod_perl 2.0.9,
  271. 2016-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Orders for the Thesis,
  272. 2016-10-31 From: <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] older programmers
  273. 2016-10-31 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] what happened to your Dad at Boeing ? ( if not
  274. 2016-10-31 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] military ? What, when, where ?
  275. 2016-10-31 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] military ? What, when, where ?
  276. 2016-10-30 From: "D. Pipes Mailing List" <dplist-at-danielpipes.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?=22The_Mundane_Origins_of_Germany=27s_H?=
  277. 2016-10-31 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] what happened to your Dad at Boeing ? ( if not

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