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DATE | 2016-10-16 |
FROM | Rick Moen
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting.....
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sun Oct 16 21:14:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www.mrbrklyn.com (www.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC74160BB4; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:14:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC7A160877 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rick by linuxmafia.com with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1bvwVP-0003c7-4f for hangout-at-nylxs.com; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 18:14:19 -0700 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 18:14:19 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Message-ID: <20161017011418.GJ12744-at-linuxmafia.com> References: <20161013211923.GA8426-at-linuxmafia.com> <20161013230437.GH8426-at-linuxmafia.com> <258cdfde-80ef-bbc4-6ea4-2e0e2b9847cd-at-panix.com> <20161013231704.GI8426-at-linuxmafia.com> <7f87e938-05a3-4ab0-d02a-8eea3c6e04d1-at-my.liu.edu> <20161016033024.GF12744-at-linuxmafia.com> <980e0bec-aa5c-0a26-e88d-488f30dbb8fd-at-panix.com> <20161016191029.GG12744-at-linuxmafia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already. X-Mas: Bah humbug. X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: rick-at-linuxmafia.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on linuxmafia.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] over ruled on OBL targeting..... X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: NYLXS Discussions List List-Id: NYLXS Discussions List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "hangout"
Quoting Ruben Safir (mrbrklyn-at-panix.com):
> He has been a pretty good supporter of the Jewish community for decades > and he has helped the Russian Emigres with man and material. He has > been generous with donations to Synagogues and Yeshiva. All > anti-Semites should be so inclined.
You must be right. People never change their positions dramatically in =
politics in just a couple of years for expediency's sake. And what would ADL know about Anti-Semitism, after all?
Jonathan Greenblatt -at-GreenblattADL
-at-TeamTrump should avoid rhetoric&tropes that historically have been used ag. Jews & still spur #antisemitism. Lets keep hate out of cmpgn
https://twitter.com/JGreenblattADL/status/786672319452291074
Trump's Anti-Semitic Speech Came From Breitbart, The Alt-Right, And Alex Jones October 14, 2016 12:30 PM EDT ALEX KAPLAN
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump=E2=80=99s October 13 speech pushed the conspiracy theory that the media, corporations, and =E2=80=9Cg= lobal financial powers=E2=80=9D such as banks are, in concert, harming America = and working with Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton to defeat him. This claim -- which several journalists noted was an anti-Semitic dog whistle -- comes from the white nationalist =E2=80=9Calt-right=E2=80= =9D movement, which includes the website of Trump=E2=80=99s campaign CEO, Breitbart New= s, and radio host conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. [...]
https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/10/14/trumps-anti-semitic-speech-came-br= eitbart-alt-right-and-alex-jones/213842
WASHINGTON =E2=80=93 Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump on Thursday invoked a series of stereotypes about Jews that are often deemed offensive and even anti-Semitic =E2=80=94 in an address to Jewish Republicans.
=E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m a negotiator like you folks were negotiators,=E2=80= =9D the controversial candidate declared to his audience at the Republican Jewish Coalition, as he explained that he would broker a stronger nuclear deal with Iran than the one concluded earlier this year. At another point in his speech, he said: =E2=80=9CIs there anyone in this room who doesn=E2=80=99= t negotiate deals? Probably more than any room I=E2=80=99ve ever spoken.=E2=80=9D
His speech came at the tail end of a morning of addresses in which the other Republican candidates boasted of their pro-Israel credentials and their close ties to the US Jewish community.
Although Trump did reiterate his tight ties with his =E2=80=9Cfriend=E2= =80=9D Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the audience wasn=E2=80=99t tolerant of the = mogul=E2=80=99s attempts to duck a question on Jerusalem. Asked about his position on the unification of the Israeli capital, Trump refused to commit =E2=80=93= as most Republican candidates have =E2=80=93 to declaring the city to be the eternal capital of the Jewish state, and was greeted with boos.
However, the audience did not offer any negative response when Trump told them, =E2=80=9CYou=E2=80=99re not gonna support me even though you kn= ow I=E2=80=99m the best thing that could ever happen to Israel. And I=E2=80=99ll be that.=E2= =80=9D He continued, evoking a stereotype about Jews, money and control, =E2=80=9CA= nd I know why you=E2=80=99re not going to support me. You=E2=80=99re not going= to support me because I don=E2=80=99t want your money. Isn=E2=80=99t it crazy?=E2=80=9D
According to AP, he added: =E2=80=9CYou want to control your own politici= an.=E2=80=9D
http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-courts-jewish-republicans-with-offensive= -stereotypes/
Donald Trump shares images and tweets from white supremacists with his millions of followers. They, in turn, use social media to attack Jews who publicly oppose Trump=E2=80=99s election or simply ask Trump to stop = playing footsie with fascists. These attacks are often explicitly anti-Semitic. For most of these Jews, this is their first time being subjected to anti-Semitic attacks. As we have seen from their testimonials, it is an unnerving experience.
Dana Schwartz found herself in this situation. Among the threats and jeers, an image of Schwartz in a gas chamber and a smiling Trump with his finger on the button. But unlike most journalists, she happened to work at the New York Observer, a newspaper owned by Donald Trump=E2=80=99s son-in-law, Jared Kushner.
Kushner is more than just a Trump by marriage. He is a confident of the candidate, an advisor and a fixer. He is also, like Lieberman, religiously devout Jew and an ardent Zionist.
So Schwartz wrote a public letter to Kushner. How, she asked, could he support a man who promotes anti-Semitic propaganda and whose followers attack Jews with anti-Semitic language and imagery?=C2=A0
Kushner responded. =C2=A0He testified to Trump=E2=80=99s acceptance of hi= m and his wife, who converted to Judaism. He told his own family=E2=80=99s harrowing Holocaust story.=C2=A0 He asserted that the accusations against Trump are overblown.
He condemned the attacks on Schwartz. And then he seemed to concede the obvious. The Star of David money shot was a problem. It was no ordinary star. It had been posted in haste. Trump (or his team) can be =E2=80=9Cca= reless=E2=80=9D and make =E2=80=9Csmall mistakes.=E2=80=9D
Later that day, at a press conference, Trump disagreed. =C2=A0He hadn=E2= =80=99t been careless and no mistakes had been made. The tweet, which had been removed, should have stayed up. =C2=A0The Jewish star on the pile of money held no deeper meaning. While he didn=E2=80=99t mention Kushner by name, = the rebuke was plain.
According to classic anti-Semitic myth, Jews exert control from behind the scenes. So a Lieberman or a Sanders, while undesirable to the typical anti-Semite, is ironically less of a threat than Jewish reporters, financiers, and intellectuals pulling the strings behind the scenes. And, less of a threat than a Jew like Jared, whispering in Trump=E2=80=99s ear.
When push comes to shove, and push certainly will come to shove, Jews should know that Trump doesn=E2=80=99t need them. That=E2=80=99s what he = told the assembled at the Republican Jewish Coalition this past December; it=E2=80= =99s what he told the press when he undercut his son-in-law.
He needs only the mob. Jews are expendable.=C2=A0
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.732457
I'm sure you're right. All of this is just paranoid imagination. He'd never just try to use you, and have fallen in love with the support of =
anti-Semitic mobs and organizations (Breitbart News, Alex Jones). I mean, that would be wrong.
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