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DATE | 2016-10-07 |
FROM | Ruben Safir
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Hey, Ruben! Plastic bag initiatives!
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Fri Oct 7 17:32:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www.mrbrklyn.com (www.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6604161469; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:32:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0956161469 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.62] (www.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A99819D98 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:32:45 -0400 (EDT) To: hangout-at-nylxs.com References: <20160907030710.GT900-at-linuxmafia.com> <20160930224043.GA3246-at-linuxmafia.com> <20161005004337.GD4313-at-panix.com> <20161005025609.GK13715-at-linuxmafia.com> <00948582-276b-e037-b502-c72b49468340-at-panix.com> <20161005043319.GN13715-at-linuxmafia.com> <20161007093439.GA29845-at-linuxmafia.com> <1ef74260-168d-9fe8-b494-4652624d3d49-at-panix.com> <20161007155059.GE13715-at-linuxmafia.com> <6420e9a1-d4c7-a163-3903-084ac9a5f558-at-panix.com> <20161007194135.GF13715-at-linuxmafia.com> From: Ruben Safir Message-ID: <302586ec-49e6-be71-e26c-b6df97a18f6b-at-panix.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:32:45 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161007194135.GF13715-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Hey, Ruben! Plastic bag initiatives! X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: NYLXS Discussions List List-Id: NYLXS Discussions List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "hangout"
On 10/07/2016 03:41 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Ruben Safir (mrbrklyn-at-panix.com): > >> > it is not like guns and butter... > It's a fair point that, unlike the production of and trade in guns and > butter, spending directed towards state prisons has only an extremely > weak multiplier effect, no matter how high the marginal propensity to > consume in the larger economy. > > (Oh, wait, that's _not_ the point you were trying to make. You were > having a go at that thing where, if you tell reality it doesn't exist > consistently enough, it might go away.) > > I should explain, here, I'm talking about economics and public policy, > so I'm not participating in the exchange of ideological positions you > try to reduce nearly every discussion to. Anyway, try to teke notes. > >
You don't build prisons to help the economy. You build them because you need them. The cost of prisons doesn't factor to a father who's 14 year old daughter was just popped in the head with a 22 and lays bleeding on the asphalt.
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