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I have been an Auxiliary Police officer from 1989 to 1999 (During Guilanni Time!), and I can assure you that the fear is real, not irrational. I have also been arrested on a traffic violation that was thrown out in court (Driving on a suspended license due to lack of insurance, though I switched insurance companies, and the one I no longer gave my business too informed NYS that I had no insurance when I was with another company).
The police, despite their denial, operate on a quota system. This means that every police officer on the force MUST HAVE COMPLETED A SET NUMBER OF ARRESTS AND TICKETS by the end of the month. The most dangerous times to be arrested and the most likeliest to be hit by the Quota is during the first 10 days of the month and the last 10 days of the month. The first 10 days, they want to cover as much as possible so they dont have to worry about it. The last 10 days- they are itching for make arrests to make up for the loss. The same applies for the year, as the most dangerous Quota Months are January/Februrary (first 2 months of the year), November/December (last two of the Year), May/June (End of Fiscal Year when all reports are due) and July/August (Start of following Fiscal Year). At the time of being an Auxilary Officer, I was told to point out to the police various minor shit so that they can write up on their quotas. So if a car is stopped for a minor
infraction, and I spot a broken light, or a damaged bumper or fender, I point it out and the poor guy gets slapped with a ticket for unsafe vehicle.
The undercovers are the worst. They will arrest anyone they do so please at a drop of a hat. Years ago, I arrested several youths for assaulting a homeless couple, which was sleeping in a cardboard box in an alley between buildings.Turns out that one of these youth was the nephew of Adam Clayton Powell III, and he tried to talk his way out of it. I said no to him, condisering that one of the people he and his friends beaten had to be sent to the hospital. It was during the arrest that the undercovers came inand tried to arrest me and my Auxiliary crew because "we got in the way of their investigation." After a long war of words, I told them- Arrest me, and I'll take it to Inspector McCann of internal affairs. Inspector McCann was formerly Captain McCann of my old Preceint and he loved us Auxiliaries. Long story short, The undercovers took our arrests, and the political fight that went with arresting the (then) State Council Member's nephew. We were
questioned by the Captain of the 'house' as to what happened, since there was a lot of chatter on the radio, and part of our arguement was heard by all on the air.
This Quota system sets a dangerous presidence, in that, officers who make the quota gets the pay raises while those who dont stay at the bottom of the list for raises and promotions. Thats the way it is. Just having a friend or two in the force does noot mean a thing like it once did. Police are after anyone they can get, and minorities are on the top of their list.
I get harrassed by the police on a monthly basis, especially during Quota Time. It is what you say to them (and the luck of the draw) that will get you cleanly out of the situation. Immediately start off with "Good Day/Night Officer. How can I help" while handing him your bag if you are carrying one. Seeing that you are willing to be more than cooperative, they will say somethng like, "Sorry- you like somebody we're looking for." and let you be on your way. Also a respectful nod to them everyone in a while will get them to know you and they will leve you alone once they remember you. But you have to keep this up. Its Tit for Tat with them all the time.
And its all unneccessary!
--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Ronny Abraham wrote:
From: Ronny Abraham
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:05 PM
Just out of curiosity, have you ever been attacked or harassed by the
police? I'm also no longer impressed with the NYPD. I have a friend
who works there and he can barely tolerate it. On the other hand,
Ruben has a point, statistically, your odds of getting their attention
in the first place are pretty low.
-ron
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:02 PM, mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com
wrote:
> Uniform police one on one I can deal with it is the undercover ones that
are the real threat.
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:24:55 pm
> To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> From: Ruben Safir
> Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
>
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 01:21:35PM -0500, Michael L. Richardson wrote:
>>
>> Ruben, my fear of being shot by the police is real, I live with it
every
>> day, and have not come to terms with it. Consider my neighbors did
not
>> take a oath to protect me, the police did. When I was growing up I
>> learned that if I needed help to call the Fire Department, not the
>> Police in 56 years I have not found a reason to change that. Yes I
>> know we call 911 now and they send who they think is best (if I need
>> help I will report a fire and take my chances with the courts).
>>
>
>
> Your fear might be real, but it is irrational. Your neighbors are far
> more dangous to you than the police.
>
> When we were stopped for that ticket that evening a few months back,
> I was the one nervous. You were cool as a cat.
>
> Ruben
>
>> Ruben Safir wrote:
>> >Michael L. Richardson wrote:
>> >>the presidency is a job you do not learn until you are in it
no
>> >>matter what other positions ou have had. As I have said ever
sense
>> >>the 1950's I have been told and expect NYC to be nuked. I
do not let
>> >>that stop me from living. my biggest concern is getting shot
by the
>> >>police and that has and does affect my life.
>> >
>> >
>> >Yeah I know, this irrational fear of the police when factually you
>> >are far more likely to be shot by a neighbor.
>> >like 40,000 to 1 better odds, even in this post Rudy era.
>> (snip)
>> >
>> >
>> >FWIW, the risk levels as they are now accessed are higher now than
at
>> >any time in your life that NYC will be attacked with nuclear
weapons,
>> >although this
>> >accessment dipped significantly after the Falujah operation in
Iraq.
>> >It is creeping up again though because of the nuclear arming of
Iran
>> >and the instability
>> >in Pakistan. You should get a hold of some serious foreign policy
>> >journals and read them. Also the US Military puts out a serious
>> >report yearly that is
>> >available publicly and then there is Janes.
>> >
>> >
>
> --
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>
>
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I have been an Auxiliary Police officer from 1989 to 1999 (During Guilanni Time!), and I can assure you that the fear is real, not irrational. I have also been arrested on a traffic violation that was thrown out in court (Driving on a suspended license due to lack of insurance, though I switched insurance companies, and the one I no longer gave my business too informed NYS that I had no insurance when I was with another company).
The police, despite their denial, operate on a quota system. This means that every police officer on the force MUST HAVE COMPLETED A SET NUMBER OF ARRESTS AND TICKETS by the end of the month. The most dangerous times to be arrested and the most likeliest to be hit by the Quota is during the first 10 days of the month and the last 10 days of the month. The first 10 days, they want to cover as much as possible so they dont have to
worry about it. The last 10 days- they are itching for make arrests to make up for the loss. The same applies for the year, as the most dangerous Quota Months are January/Februrary (first 2 months of the year), November/December (last two of the Year), May/June (End of Fiscal Year when all reports are due) and July/August (Start of following Fiscal Year). At the time of being an Auxilary Officer, I was told to point out to the police various minor shit so that they can write up on their quotas. So if a car is stopped for a minor infraction, and I spot a broken light, or a damaged bumper or fender, I point it out and the poor guy gets slapped with a ticket for unsafe vehicle.
The undercovers are the worst. They will arrest anyone they do so please at a drop of a hat. Years ago, I arrested several youths for assaulting a homeless couple, which was sleeping in a cardboard box in an alley between buildings.Turns out that one of these youth was the
nephew of Adam Clayton Powell III, and he tried to talk his way out of it. I said no to him, condisering that one of the people he and his friends beaten had to be sent to the hospital. It was during the arrest that the undercovers came inand tried to arrest me and my Auxiliary crew because "we got in the way of their investigation." After a long war of words, I told them- Arrest me, and I'll take it to Inspector McCann of internal affairs. Inspector McCann was formerly Captain McCann of my old Preceint and he loved us Auxiliaries. Long story short, The undercovers took our arrests, and the political fight that went with arresting the (then) State Council Member's nephew. We were questioned by the Captain of the 'house' as to what happened, since there was a lot of chatter on the radio, and part of our arguement was heard by all on the air.
This Quota system sets a dangerous presidence, in that, officers who make the quota gets the pay raises
while those who dont stay at the bottom of the list for raises and promotions. Thats the way it is. Just having a friend or two in the force does noot mean a thing like it once did. Police are after anyone they can get, and minorities are on the top of their list.
I get harrassed by the police on a monthly basis, especially during Quota Time. It is what you say to them (and the luck of the draw) that will get you cleanly out of the situation. Immediately start off with "Good Day/Night Officer. How can I help" while handing him your bag if you are carrying one. Seeing that you are willing to be more than cooperative, they will say somethng like, "Sorry- you like somebody we're looking for." and let you be on your way. Also a respectful nod to them everyone in a while will get them to know you and they will leve you alone once they remember you. But you have to keep this up. Its Tit for Tat with them all the time.
And its all
unneccessary!
--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:05 PM
Just out of curiosity, have you ever been attacked or harassed by the
police? I'm also no longer impressed with the NYPD. I have a friend
who works there and he can barely tolerate it. On the other hand,
Ruben has a point, statistically, your odds of getting their attention
in the first place are pretty low.
-ron
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:02 PM, mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com
<mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> wrote:
> Uniform police one on one I can deal with it is the undercover ones that
are the real threat.
>
-----Original Message-----
> Date: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:24:55 pm
> To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> From: Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com>
> Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
>
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 01:21:35PM -0500, Michael L. Richardson wrote:
>>
>> Ruben, my fear of being shot by the police is real, I live with it
every
>> day, and have not come to terms with it. Consider my neighbors did
not
>> take a oath to protect me, the police did. When I was growing up I
>> learned that if I needed help to call the Fire Department, not the
>> Police in 56 years I have not found a reason to change that. Yes I
>> know we call 911 now and they send who they think is best (if I need
>> help I will report a fire and take my chances with the courts).
>>
>
>
> Your fear might be real, but it is
irrational. Your neighbors are far
> more dangous to you than the police.
>
> When we were stopped for that ticket that evening a few months back,
> I was the one nervous. You were cool as a cat.
>
> Ruben
>
>> Ruben Safir wrote:
>> >Michael L. Richardson wrote:
>> >>the presidency is a job you do not learn until you are in it
no
>> >>matter what other positions ou have had. As I have said ever
sense
>> >>the 1950's I have been told and expect NYC to be nuked. I
do not let
>> >>that stop me from living. my biggest concern is getting shot
by the
>> >>police and that has and does affect my life.
>> >
>> >
>> >Yeah I know, this irrational fear of the police when factually you
>> >are far more likely to be shot by a neighbor.
>> >like 40,000 to
1 better odds, even in this post Rudy era.
>> (snip)
>> >
>> >
>> >FWIW, the risk levels as they are now accessed are higher now than
at
>> >any time in your life that NYC will be attacked with nuclear
weapons,
>> >although this
>> >accessment dipped significantly after the Falujah operation in
Iraq.
>> >It is creeping up again though because of the nuclear arming of
Iran
>> >and the instability
>> >in Pakistan. You should get a hold of some serious foreign policy
>> >journals and read them. Also the US Military puts out a serious
>> >report yearly that is
>> >available publicly and then there is Janes.
>> >
>> >
>
> --
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>
>
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I have been an Auxiliary Police officer from 1989 to 1999 (During Guilanni Time!), and I can assure you that the fear is real, not irrational. I have also been arrested on a traffic violation that was thrown out in court (Driving on a suspended license due to lack of insurance, though I switched insurance companies, and the one I no longer gave my business too informed NYS that I had no insurance when I was with another company).
The police, despite their denial, operate on a quota system. This means that every police officer on the force MUST HAVE COMPLETED A SET NUMBER OF ARRESTS AND TICKETS by the end of the month. The most dangerous times to be arrested and the most likeliest to be hit by the Quota is during the first 10 days of the month and the last 10 days of the month. The first 10 days, they want to cover as much as possible so they dont have to worry about it. The last 10 days- they are itching for make arrests to make up for the loss. The same applies for the year, as the most dangerous Quota Months are January/Februrary (first 2 months of the year), November/December (last two of the Year), May/June (End of Fiscal Year when all reports are due) and July/August (Start of following Fiscal Year). At the time of being an Auxilary Officer, I was told to point out to the police various minor shit so that they can write up on their quotas. So if a car is stopped for a minor
infraction, and I spot a broken light, or a damaged bumper or fender, I point it out and the poor guy gets slapped with a ticket for unsafe vehicle.
The undercovers are the worst. They will arrest anyone they do so please at a drop of a hat. Years ago, I arrested several youths for assaulting a homeless couple, which was sleeping in a cardboard box in an alley between buildings.Turns out that one of these youth was the nephew of Adam Clayton Powell III, and he tried to talk his way out of it. I said no to him, condisering that one of the people he and his friends beaten had to be sent to the hospital. It was during the arrest that the undercovers came inand tried to arrest me and my Auxiliary crew because "we got in the way of their investigation." After a long war of words, I told them- Arrest me, and I'll take it to Inspector McCann of internal affairs. Inspector McCann was formerly Captain McCann of my old Preceint and he loved us Auxiliaries. Long story short, The undercovers took our arrests, and the political fight that went with arresting the (then) State Council Member's nephew. We were
questioned by the Captain of the 'house' as to what happened, since there was a lot of chatter on the radio, and part of our arguement was heard by all on the air.
This Quota system sets a dangerous presidence, in that, officers who make the quota gets the pay raises while those who dont stay at the bottom of the list for raises and promotions. Thats the way it is. Just having a friend or two in the force does noot mean a thing like it once did. Police are after anyone they can get, and minorities are on the top of their list.
I get harrassed by the police on a monthly basis, especially during Quota Time. It is what you say to them (and the luck of the draw) that will get you cleanly out of the situation. Immediately start off with "Good Day/Night Officer. How can I help" while handing him your bag if you are carrying one. Seeing that you are willing to be more than cooperative, they will say somethng like, "Sorry- you like somebody we're looking for." and let you be on your way. Also a respectful nod to them everyone in a while will get them to know you and they will leve you alone once they remember you. But you have to keep this up. Its Tit for Tat with them all the time.
And its all unneccessary!
--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Ronny Abraham wrote:
From: Ronny Abraham
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:05 PM
Just out of curiosity, have you ever been attacked or harassed by the
police? I'm also no longer impressed with the NYPD. I have a friend
who works there and he can barely tolerate it. On the other hand,
Ruben has a point, statistically, your odds of getting their attention
in the first place are pretty low.
-ron
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:02 PM, mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com
wrote:
> Uniform police one on one I can deal with it is the undercover ones that
are the real threat.
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:24:55 pm
> To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> From: Ruben Safir
> Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
>
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 01:21:35PM -0500, Michael L. Richardson wrote:
>>
>> Ruben, my fear of being shot by the police is real, I live with it
every
>> day, and have not come to terms with it. Consider my neighbors did
not
>> take a oath to protect me, the police did. When I was growing up I
>> learned that if I needed help to call the Fire Department, not the
>> Police in 56 years I have not found a reason to change that. Yes I
>> know we call 911 now and they send who they think is best (if I need
>> help I will report a fire and take my chances with the courts).
>>
>
>
> Your fear might be real, but it is irrational. Your neighbors are far
> more dangous to you than the police.
>
> When we were stopped for that ticket that evening a few months back,
> I was the one nervous. You were cool as a cat.
>
> Ruben
>
>> Ruben Safir wrote:
>> >Michael L. Richardson wrote:
>> >>the presidency is a job you do not learn until you are in it
no
>> >>matter what other positions ou have had. As I have said ever
sense
>> >>the 1950's I have been told and expect NYC to be nuked. I
do not let
>> >>that stop me from living. my biggest concern is getting shot
by the
>> >>police and that has and does affect my life.
>> >
>> >
>> >Yeah I know, this irrational fear of the police when factually you
>> >are far more likely to be shot by a neighbor.
>> >like 40,000 to 1 better odds, even in this post Rudy era.
>> (snip)
>> >
>> >
>> >FWIW, the risk levels as they are now accessed are higher now than
at
>> >any time in your life that NYC will be attacked with nuclear
weapons,
>> >although this
>> >accessment dipped significantly after the Falujah operation in
Iraq.
>> >It is creeping up again though because of the nuclear arming of
Iran
>> >and the instability
>> >in Pakistan. You should get a hold of some serious foreign policy
>> >journals and read them. Also the US Military puts out a serious
>> >report yearly that is
>> >available publicly and then there is Janes.
>> >
>> >
>
> --
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>
>
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I have been an Auxiliary Police officer from 1989 to 1999 (During Guilanni Time!), and I can assure you that the fear is real, not irrational. I have also been arrested on a traffic violation that was thrown out in court (Driving on a suspended license due to lack of insurance, though I switched insurance companies, and the one I no longer gave my business too informed NYS that I had no insurance when I was with another company).
The police, despite their denial, operate on a quota system. This means that every police officer on the force MUST HAVE COMPLETED A SET NUMBER OF ARRESTS AND TICKETS by the end of the month. The most dangerous times to be arrested and the most likeliest to be hit by the Quota is during the first 10 days of the month and the last 10 days of the month. The first 10 days, they want to cover as much as possible so they dont have to
worry about it. The last 10 days- they are itching for make arrests to make up for the loss. The same applies for the year, as the most dangerous Quota Months are January/Februrary (first 2 months of the year), November/December (last two of the Year), May/June (End of Fiscal Year when all reports are due) and July/August (Start of following Fiscal Year). At the time of being an Auxilary Officer, I was told to point out to the police various minor shit so that they can write up on their quotas. So if a car is stopped for a minor infraction, and I spot a broken light, or a damaged bumper or fender, I point it out and the poor guy gets slapped with a ticket for unsafe vehicle.
The undercovers are the worst. They will arrest anyone they do so please at a drop of a hat. Years ago, I arrested several youths for assaulting a homeless couple, which was sleeping in a cardboard box in an alley between buildings.Turns out that one of these youth was the
nephew of Adam Clayton Powell III, and he tried to talk his way out of it. I said no to him, condisering that one of the people he and his friends beaten had to be sent to the hospital. It was during the arrest that the undercovers came inand tried to arrest me and my Auxiliary crew because "we got in the way of their investigation." After a long war of words, I told them- Arrest me, and I'll take it to Inspector McCann of internal affairs. Inspector McCann was formerly Captain McCann of my old Preceint and he loved us Auxiliaries. Long story short, The undercovers took our arrests, and the political fight that went with arresting the (then) State Council Member's nephew. We were questioned by the Captain of the 'house' as to what happened, since there was a lot of chatter on the radio, and part of our arguement was heard by all on the air.
This Quota system sets a dangerous presidence, in that, officers who make the quota gets the pay raises
while those who dont stay at the bottom of the list for raises and promotions. Thats the way it is. Just having a friend or two in the force does noot mean a thing like it once did. Police are after anyone they can get, and minorities are on the top of their list.
I get harrassed by the police on a monthly basis, especially during Quota Time. It is what you say to them (and the luck of the draw) that will get you cleanly out of the situation. Immediately start off with "Good Day/Night Officer. How can I help" while handing him your bag if you are carrying one. Seeing that you are willing to be more than cooperative, they will say somethng like, "Sorry- you like somebody we're looking for." and let you be on your way. Also a respectful nod to them everyone in a while will get them to know you and they will leve you alone once they remember you. But you have to keep this up. Its Tit for Tat with them all the time.
And its all
unneccessary!
--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:05 PM
Just out of curiosity, have you ever been attacked or harassed by the
police? I'm also no longer impressed with the NYPD. I have a friend
who works there and he can barely tolerate it. On the other hand,
Ruben has a point, statistically, your odds of getting their attention
in the first place are pretty low.
-ron
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:02 PM, mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com
<mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> wrote:
> Uniform police one on one I can deal with it is the undercover ones that
are the real threat.
>
-----Original Message-----
> Date: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:24:55 pm
> To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> From: Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com>
> Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
>
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 01:21:35PM -0500, Michael L. Richardson wrote:
>>
>> Ruben, my fear of being shot by the police is real, I live with it
every
>> day, and have not come to terms with it. Consider my neighbors did
not
>> take a oath to protect me, the police did. When I was growing up I
>> learned that if I needed help to call the Fire Department, not the
>> Police in 56 years I have not found a reason to change that. Yes I
>> know we call 911 now and they send who they think is best (if I need
>> help I will report a fire and take my chances with the courts).
>>
>
>
> Your fear might be real, but it is
irrational. Your neighbors are far
> more dangous to you than the police.
>
> When we were stopped for that ticket that evening a few months back,
> I was the one nervous. You were cool as a cat.
>
> Ruben
>
>> Ruben Safir wrote:
>> >Michael L. Richardson wrote:
>> >>the presidency is a job you do not learn until you are in it
no
>> >>matter what other positions ou have had. As I have said ever
sense
>> >>the 1950's I have been told and expect NYC to be nuked. I
do not let
>> >>that stop me from living. my biggest concern is getting shot
by the
>> >>police and that has and does affect my life.
>> >
>> >
>> >Yeah I know, this irrational fear of the police when factually you
>> >are far more likely to be shot by a neighbor.
>> >like 40,000 to
1 better odds, even in this post Rudy era.
>> (snip)
>> >
>> >
>> >FWIW, the risk levels as they are now accessed are higher now than
at
>> >any time in your life that NYC will be attacked with nuclear
weapons,
>> >although this
>> >accessment dipped significantly after the Falujah operation in
Iraq.
>> >It is creeping up again though because of the nuclear arming of
Iran
>> >and the instability
>> >in Pakistan. You should get a hold of some serious foreign policy
>> >journals and read them. Also the US Military puts out a serious
>> >report yearly that is
>> >available publicly and then there is Janes.
>> >
>> >
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