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|SUBJECT ||Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:58:53 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
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On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 06:36:58PM -0600, Michael L. Richardson wrote:
> Traffic, walking. Some times they say I fit the description, some times its what are you doing here. My cousin was killed by the police before he turned 21. Under Gulliani the undercover police were granted get out of jail free cards and some still have them.
> the less I have to do with them the better. I am from a people who had more to fear from the police than the thugs. (Tell me your hanging story and you will understand). This is 400 years of oral history for me.
To be honest Michael, I don't believe your harrassed this much or in
that much fear. I will remind you, however, that I was attached on
Stone Avenue and Belmont just last week when I was on the street for
not more than 10 minutes.
Meanwhile I had two cops over at the house 2 days ago, and they were
terrific, and black as a matter of fact.
You will NEVER convince me that your not more at risk from your
neighbors than the police. First, there is no statistics to come even
close to backing that. Furthermore, I grew up right on the East NY
Canarsie boarder, and went to school at PS 306 on Vermont St right near
Pennsylvania Avenue. And from the age of 5 I was constantly the victem
of Black racists, from the earliest age, beaten, kicked, robbed, punched,
gang beaten, spit at, harrassed, cursed at, stabbed and had guns pulled
out for the sole and only reason of being white. And this was every
single day without relief.
And the best part was the guns. Guns were all over the neighborhood and
in the classroom even at the age of 5 and 6, and the result of death,
destruction, enstrangment, and poverty, all of which was completely
unchecked until Guilliani.
Its crap, and frankly dishonest.
I suggest you read "Fortress of Solitude" by Letham.
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:44:13 pm
> To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> From: Ronny Abraham
> Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
> I'm confused. If they stopped you many times and never attacked you,
> then what makes you think they will? I'm trying to understand this,
> so please excuse me if I don't quite get it. Are they insulting?
> Threatening? When you say "stopped" it sounds like stopped as in
> "traffic ticket". Is that accurate? Or do they give you a very hard
> and frightening time? Please explain.
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:31 PM, mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com
> > I have been stopped by them many times. Some they had a valid reason some they did not. Statistics is one thing. Thinking is this the day I get shot by the police is another. And no I do not think about getting shot in a drive by or by thugs. I no longer have peace of mind.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Date: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:05:17 pm
> > To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> > From: Ronny Abraham
> > Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
> > Just out of curiosity, have you ever been attacked or harassed by the
> > police? I'm also no longer impressed with the NYPD. I have a friend
> > who works there and he can barely tolerate it. On the other hand,
> > Ruben has a point, statistically, your odds of getting their attention
> > in the first place are pretty low.
> > -ron
> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:02 PM, mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com
> > wrote:
> >> Uniform police one on one I can deal with it is the undercover ones that are the real threat.
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> Date: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:24:55 pm
> >> To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> >> From: Ruben Safir
> >> Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Police
> >> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 01:21:35PM -0500, Michael L. Richardson wrote:
> >>> Ruben, my fear of being shot by the police is real, I live with it every
> >>> day, and have not come to terms with it. Consider my neighbors did not
> >>> take a oath to protect me, the police did. When I was growing up I
> >>> learn
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