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From: Ruben Safir
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Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
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We can teting people and put them into a proper
accessment and course structure.
Unprepared students make it unfair to the instructor
and the rest of the class.
On 2002.01.29 10:50:46 -0500 marco wrote:
>>Obviously it is up to the student to evaluate his/her own
>>preparedness for the course.
>>There are people who already have a very solid command line
>>but might want to take advanced networking.
>> If you/we require everyone to take the whole program, I
>>would find this to be a serious limitation to the
>>usefullness of this group.
>> As a smart person who has learned mostly from buying the
>>book and doing it, I find enforced prerequisites quite evil.
>>If you can't trust the student to make intelligent decisions
>>about his/her own preparedness, how can you ever trust them
>>to become the strong linux/free-software citizen you envision?
>> You don't cultivate a do-it-yourself, do'er mentality by
>>Ruben Safir wrote:
>>> Students need to build up on their skills, not
>>> check into Advanced networking without the
>>> background of using the command line.
>>> We can let greedy commercial vendors do stupid
>>> things like that.
>>> On 2002.01.29 02:59:03 -0500 marco wrote:
>>>>>I didn't read this as I was typing my other responce,
>>>>>>I've thought about this complete program for 3 years
>>>>>>already. It can NOT be done properly without student
>>>>>>ownership of the hardware, and standardized hardware
>>>>> I think the complete program can benefit from another
>>>>>type of student. The student who only takes one or two
>>>>>classes should feel welcome also, even realising that the
>>>>>main goal of the Education is the whole program.
>>>>> At a university you take classes in your major as well as
>>>>>any other class the school has to offer. NYLXS should
>>>>>accomodate students who wish to get the major, as well as
>>>>>those who just want to brush up on a topic.
>>>>>New Yorker Linux Users Scene
>>>>>Fair Use -
>>>>>because it's either fair use or useless....
>>New Yorker Linux Users Scene
>>Fair Use -
>>because it's either fair use or useless....
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New Yorker Linux Users Scene
Fair Use -
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