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DATE 2002-01-05
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Berkly to close down internet if given a chance
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This is an article with underlines the importance of Fair Use today and outlines
just how aweful are the results when Universities (ALL of which are funded by
the Government) use their results and reseach to undermine their mission
and privatize their research. Berkly says straight out that they would close
the interent down if given the chance.


Ruben

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/01/04/university_open_source/print.html


Public money, private code
The drive to license academic research for profit is stifling the spread of software that could be of universal benefit.

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By Jeffrey Benner

Jan. 4, 2002 | Would the creation of the Internet be allowed to happen today?

The networked society we live in is in large part a gift from the University of California to the world. In the 1980s, computer scientists at Berkeley working under contract for the Defense Department created an improved version of the Unix operating system, complete with a networking protocol called the TCP/IP stack. Available for a nominal fee, the operating system and network protocol grew popular with universities and became the standard for the military's Arpanet computer network. In 1992, Berkeley released its version of Unix and TCP/IP to the public as open-source code, and the combination quickly became the backbone of a network so vast that people started to call it, simply, "the Internet."

Many would regard giving the Internet to the world as a benevolent act fitting for one of the world's great public universities. But Bill Hoskins, who is currently in charge of protecting the intellectual property produced at U.C. Berkeley, thinks it must have been a mistake. "Whoever released the code for the Internet probably didn't understand what they were doing," he says.

Had his predecessors understood how huge the Internet would turn out to be, Hoskins figures, they would surely have licensed the protocols, sold the rights to a corporation and collected a royalty for the U.C. Regents on Internet usage years into the future. It is the kind of deal his department, the Office of Technology Licensing, cuts all the time.

Hoskins' "privatize it" attitude has become the norm among administrators at many universities and federal labs across the country. As a result, computer-science professors and researchers who want to release their work to the public as open-source software often face an uphill battle.

Some familiar with the situation say the problem is that universities and federal research labs have become more interested in making money than serving the public interest.

Larry Smarr, a professor of computer science at U.C. San Diego and one of the country's top experts on supercomputing, is one of them. As former director of the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois, where the original Mosaic Web browser was created, he's quite familiar with both sides of the debate.

"Some universities are dead set against giving [software code] away," says Smarr. "But I don't think universities should be in the moneymaking business. They ought to be in the changing-the-world business, and open source is a great vehicle for changing the world."

Open-source software describes program code that is made publicly available for anyone to copy, change or even sell. The best-known open-source programs, such as Linux and Apache, are the product of a collaborative process of software development that takes advantage of the contributions of thousands of programmers all over the world. It's not only a cheap way to produce software; with so many eyes looking at the code, the theory is, bugs are found and fixed more quickly than with proprietary software.

Over the past several years, open-source software development has won high-profile adherents in the business world -- including the likes of IBM and Sun Microsystems. But it has always had its strongest fans in the academic world, where open-source software is seen as a natural extension of the idea that the fruits of academic research should be shared with everyone.

But now some academic programmers on the cutting edge have found that the licensing office is proving a more formidable obstacle to progress than the limits of their imagination and skill.

Pete Beckman, formerly a senior computer scientist at the federal laboratory in Los Alamos, N.M., is a pioneer in creating clusters of servers that rival the power of mainframe supercomputers. He had to fight with lab lawyers for months before receiving permission to open-source his department's work on the clusters.

Part of the lab's reticence was concern about letting computer technology fall into the hands of America's enemies, according to Beckman. "But the lab's other motive for keeping technology private is the misguided belief they can license it and make money on the lab system," he says. "They have whole departments dedicated to extracting intellectual property from the labbies."

Before Beckman led the fight at Los Alamos to establish a protocol for making lab software public, "the only way to get your code released [open source] was to declare it worthless," he says. Beckman won his fight back in 1999, but the old standard still applies at other federal labs.

"Some federal labs can release code, others can't," Beckman says. "There are whole departments that create valuable new technology, and they can't get it out to the world because [the lab] is trying to make money off it." Software for modeling global climate change, the behavior of viral epidemics and traffic patterns are among the programs researchers can't get released, he says.

In a white paper Beckman authored on the problem, he wrote, "Seeking to control computer-science research by putting intellectual property concerns before the goal of good science has destroyed countless projects."

Just how many is hard to say. Most researchers are reluctant to criticize their administrators. It is rare that universities flat out refuse a request to release software, but the hassle of getting permission can discourage those who might otherwise release their work. "It's tricky to find examples," says Rebecca Eisenberg, a law professor at the University of Michigan who specializes in intellectual property policy. "Because most technology fails, it's hard to say something would have succeeded" if only it had been put in the public domain.

Nevertheless, Eisenberg is convinced that university interest in licensing intellectual property for profit is often at odds with the advancement of science. "You can make a clear case that research is being slowed by intellectual property claims," she says.

"Universities aren't distinguishing between times when it's important to have a patent in place to get something disseminated and times when it's not," Eisenberg says. "They're just looking to see if they can make money. It retards innovation and taxes development."

It took Chris Johnson, a computer-science professor at the University of Utah, several years of negotiation with his technology transfer office to get permission to make public a program his team had worked on for years.

Called SCIRun (pronounced "ski run"), the program is a software platform for modeling and solving all sorts of complicated scientific problems. One of its most promising applications is as a tool for designing new medical devices. Because it is a foundation upon which other programs can be built, Johnson felt that making it an open-source-code project was fundamental to its value.

"The hope is people will take this and put in their own applications and share those back with the community," Johnson says. But to do that, they have to be able to see and use the code without having to pay for it or get permission. "A lot of smart people out there can show you new and better ways for you, if they can see under the hood," Johnson says.

But when he tried to explain to the university administration that the best way to maximize the value of SCIRun was to give it away, he ran into a roadblock. "We wanted to open-source it," Johnson says. "But they said that would undermine its commercial value."

The negotiations began, a clash of differing cultures and interests. "No one really knew what we were doing at the beginning," Johnson says. "We didn't really understand intellectual property law, and they didn't really understand open source. The university just didn't want to let commercial value go. We're academics who wanted to push the envelope."

After two years of haggling, they reached a compromise. In March, the software was released under a license that allows academics free access to the code but reserves the right to royalties if the code makes its way into a commercial software product.

It hasn't always been this way. In the eighties, UC Berkeley was a pioneer in giving away software for the betterment of society. The rapid dissemination of "BSD Unix" allowed Internet-connected computers to speak the same language, helping to make our networked world possible.

But now the University of California is often mentioned as one of the institutions that have taken the craze for exclusive patents and licenses too far. "It changed in the late eighties and early nineties," says Susan Graham, a professor of computer science at Berkeley. She didn't remember there even being an Office of Technology Licensing back when the department gave away Unix and the Internet protocols.

If those innovations were discovered today, Graham worries they would end up in corporate hands. "I don't know whether they would let us release software like TCP/IP today," she says. "If they thought it had monetary value, they would want a revenue stream. There would be companies who could pay for it. I'm not sure we would have the same outcome [as in the past], and that's what concerns me."

The trend at universities toward trying to profit from intellectual property began with the passage of the Bayh-Dole Act in 1980. Bayh-Dole allows institutions doing research for the federal government -- mostly universities -- to own the intellectual property they produce, and sell the rights to private companies. Because most cutting-edge research at both public and private universities involves some federal funding, Bayh-Dole allows universities to lay claim to many of their faculty's inventions. The same rights were later extended to the federal research labs.

The philosophy behind Bayh-Dole is economic stimulation through privatization. When the law passed, the federal government held roughly 28,000 patents, but fewer than 5 percent of these were licensed to industry for development of commercial products, according to the Council on Government Relations, a lobbying group for research universities. By giving contractors a chance to sell the rights to technology developed in the course of publicly funded research, Congress hoped to spark an economic boom with taxpayer-funded technology.

Overall, the model has been a dramatic success. The transfer of technology from university labs into offices, factories and stores was fundamental to the growth of Silicon Valley and the success of the new economy. Since 1980, university inventions licensed to the private sector under Bayh-Dole have spawned over 2,200 new companies that generate about $30 billion in economic activity every year, according to the Association of University Technology Managers.

Statistics like these explain the enduring enthusiasm among most policy experts for privatizing the public's intellectual property. But a few eloquent dissenters have begun to argue that taking privatization of the nation's intellectual property too far could stifle innovation and suffocate economic growth.

The champion of this broad thesis is Stanford law professor Larry Lessig, who has just outlined this argument in a new book, "The Future of Ideas." Lessig worries that the proper balance between private intellectual property (Microsoft) and the public good (the Internet) has been lost, and our society is blindly moving toward too much private control over intellectual property. "The shift is not occurring with the idea of balance in mind," he wrote; "instead, the shift proceeds as if control were the only value."

The most powerful examples that privatizing technology does not always equal progress are public code like the Internet's and open-source software. They are cases of technology that derive their value from being public and free; fences kill them. "The open-source movement is an endorsement of the value of the public domain," Eisenberg says. "It's a striking counter-example to the bias of public policy: that the public domain dooms technology to obscurity."

The systemic bias toward privatization, which Bayh-Dole codified into law, has the scientists working on improved versions of the Internet worried.

"For the last 20 years, public money has backed proprietary systems software," says Rick Stevens, who is working on "grid computing" software at Argonne National Lab. "We're saying, stop putting public money there."

Ian Foster, another computer scientist working at Argonne, agrees. "I believe that in almost all cases, the interests of science and society alike are best served by free distribution of software produced in research labs and universities. Unfortunately, there are still institutions that place significant obstacles in the way of researchers who wish to follow this path. Agencies funding research could help things by making strong statements in favor of open source, so that this is the norm rather than the exception."

Some government agencies are starting to get the message. Open-source development for grid software and other supercomputing applications is getting some government funding. The Department of Energy, which runs Argonne, has been supporting open-source projects for years. In April, the National Security Agency announced it would help to make a version of the Linux-based operating system secure enough for the Defense Department to use.

Universities are starting to rediscover the value of open-sourcing software, too. Stanford, the institution at the hub of Silicon Valley, lets its faculty release software under a public license. "We pretty much go with what our faculty members want to do," says Kathy Ku, who heads the licensing office there. "We care about the academic mission more that the money."

Elsewhere, the struggle goes on. "It's trying to find a balance between the academic mission and commercialization," Johnson, the Utah professor, says. "This is a hot topic in universities right now, and everyone is really struggling with it. Some universities have really gone overboard. It's not going to be an easy thing to resolve."

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About the writer
Jeffrey Benner is a contributing writer at Wired News.

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  82. 2002-01-04 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Subject: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  83. 2002-01-04 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Subject: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  84. 2002-01-04 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] WTC Update
  85. 2002-01-04 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] WTC Update
  86. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  87. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  88. 2002-01-05 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Re: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  89. 2002-01-05 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Re: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  90. 2002-01-05 From: "Alan Wiess" <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> RE: [hangout] WTC Update
  91. 2002-01-05 From: "Alan Wiess" <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> RE: [hangout] WTC Update
  92. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Berkly to close down internet if given a chance
  93. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Berkly to close down internet if given a chance
  94. 2002-01-05 Kevin Mark <kmark-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Charlie Rose interviews Lawrence Lessig
  95. 2002-01-05 Kevin Mark <kmark-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Charlie Rose interviews Lawrence Lessig
  96. 2002-01-05 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Subject: [hangout] getting off hangout email list
  97. 2002-01-05 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Subject: [hangout] getting off hangout email list
  98. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Events Page
  99. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Time to kill? Help a UN site for kids...
  100. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Time to kill? Help a UN site for kids...
  101. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Time to kill? Help a UN site for kids...
  102. 2002-01-06 Vagn Scott <vagn-at-ranok.com> Re: [hangout] WTC Update
  103. 2002-01-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee - EXPO
  104. 2002-01-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee - EXPO
  105. 2002-01-07 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee - EXPO
  106. 2002-01-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee - EXPO
  107. 2002-01-07 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Free Software Institute - Last Meeting, where we st
  108. 2002-01-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software Institute - Last Meeting, where we st and.
  109. 2002-01-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] hardware vendor
  110. 2002-01-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] hardware vendor
  111. 2002-01-07 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute - Last Meeting, where we stand.
  112. 2002-01-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In Service Tonite
  113. 2002-01-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In Service Tonite
  114. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux
  115. 2002-01-08 Alex Pilosov <alex-at-pilosoft.com> Re: [hangout] ssl info questions...
  116. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ssl info questions...
  117. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ssl info questions...
  118. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] to education committee FYI
  119. 2002-01-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] WTC Update
  120. 2002-01-08 Rubn Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Consultants
  121. 2002-01-08 Rubn Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Consultants
  122. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Emperor Linux
  123. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: NYACC [barry-at-weiser.net]
  124. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: NYACC [barry-at-weiser.net]
  125. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public relations Comittee
  126. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public relations Comittee
  127. 2002-01-08 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] ssl info questions...
  128. 2002-01-08 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] thelinuxshow.com
  129. 2002-01-08 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] thelinuxshow.com
  130. 2002-01-08 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] to education committee FYI
  131. 2002-01-08 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] to education committee FYI
  132. 2002-01-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] booth sign up list
  133. 2002-01-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] booth sign up list
  134. 2002-01-09 Kevin Mark <kmark-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [nylug-talk] New To The World
  135. 2002-01-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Testimonials for the NYLXS JOURNAL
  136. 2002-01-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Testimonials for the NYLXS JOURNAL
  137. 2002-01-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCHOOLFORGE COALITION FORMED TO ADVANCE OPEN RESOURCES IN EDUCATION
  138. 2002-01-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCHOOLFORGE COALITION FORMED TO ADVANCE OPEN RESOURCES IN EDUCATION
  139. 2002-01-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [fairuse-discuss] FreeDevelopers.net [seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org]
  140. 2002-01-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [fairuse-discuss] FreeDevelopers.net [seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org]
  141. 2002-01-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Job Training Expenses - Paid for by the City of NY
  142. 2002-01-10 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] New to the World
  143. 2002-01-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Resources
  144. 2002-01-10 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] SCHOOLFORGE COALITION FORMED TO ADVANCE OPEN RESOURCES IN EDUCATION
  145. 2002-01-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Quote for Linux Class [jhelf-at-aa.acinc.com]
  146. 2002-01-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Quote for Linux Class [jhelf-at-aa.acinc.com]
  147. 2002-01-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Quote for Linux Class [jhelf-at-aa.acinc.com]
  148. 2002-01-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Desktop Publisher
  149. 2002-01-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] LinuxWorld Expo: General info
  150. 2002-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Quote for Linux Class [jhelf-at-aa.acinc.com]
  151. 2002-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Quote for Linux Class [jhelf-at-aa.acinc.com]
  152. 2002-01-11 From: "Brendan W. McAdams" <rit-at-jacked-in.org> Subject: [hangout] Tunney Act Ending
  153. 2002-01-11 From: "Brendan W. McAdams" <rit-at-jacked-in.org> Subject: [hangout] Tunney Act Ending
  154. 2002-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What's wrong with Yahoo
  155. 2002-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What's wrong with Yahoo
  156. 2002-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: perl classes [frallon-at-yahoo.com]
  157. 2002-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: perl classes [frallon-at-yahoo.com]
  158. 2002-01-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Palm Datebook
  159. 2002-01-13 From: "Salvatore Denaro" <sdenaro-at-speakeasy.net> RE: [hangout] WTC Update
  160. 2002-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM WANTS HELP FROM LINUX PROGRAMMERS
  161. 2002-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM WANTS HELP FROM LINUX PROGRAMMERS
  162. 2002-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: LinuxWorld in New York
  163. 2002-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: LinuxWorld in New York
  164. 2002-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Re: LinuxWorld in New York
  165. 2002-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Re: LinuxWorld in New York
  166. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] SECURITY WIRE DIGEST, VOL. 4, NO. 3, JANUARY 14, 2002 [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  167. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] SECURITY WIRE DIGEST, VOL. 4, NO. 3, JANUARY 14, 2002 [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  168. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SECURITY WIRE DIGEST, VOL. 4, NO. 3, JANUARY 14, 2002
  169. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] WTC Update
  170. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] InService Announcement
  171. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] InService Announcement
  172. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] know site to list programming job? know programmer?
  173. 2002-01-15 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL
  174. 2002-01-16 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: Typo in last Re: [hangout] ssh
  175. 2002-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lobbying Writeup of Linux World
  176. 2002-01-16 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] No Source Code Changes?
  177. 2002-01-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Lost RAM and Printer Port
  178. 2002-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] No Source Code Changes?
  179. 2002-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] No Source Code Changes?
  180. 2002-01-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] No Source Code Changes?
  181. 2002-01-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Lost RAM and Printer Port
  182. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Educating the Feds about Free Software
  183. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Teaching Space is opening for us
  184. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Educating the Feds about Free Software
  185. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Educating the Feds about Free Software
  186. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast Success
  187. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast Success
  188. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux One Class Clarification
  189. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Teaching Space is opening for us
  190. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Teaching Space is opening for us
  191. 2002-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wednesday 23 January 2002 NYLUG: Simon Lok on Email Privacy and Key Signing
  192. 2002-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use Meeting
  193. 2002-01-20 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI - brochure
  194. 2002-01-20 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI - brochure
  195. 2002-01-20 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI - brochure (HTML)
  196. 2002-01-20 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI - brochure (HTML)
  197. 2002-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs Info
  198. 2002-01-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Expo Booths signup for NYLXS/LXNY/NYLUG
  199. 2002-01-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Expo Booths signup for NYLXS/LXNY/NYLUG
  200. 2002-01-22 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  201. 2002-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I'm Back
  202. 2002-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I'm Back
  203. 2002-01-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New blurb for Linux 1
  204. 2002-01-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New blurb for Linux 1
  205. 2002-01-22 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] New blurb for Linux 1
  206. 2002-01-22 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] New blurb for Linux 1
  207. 2002-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] nylxs logo for buttons/poster
  208. 2002-01-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] nylxs logo for buttons/poster
  209. 2002-01-22 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  210. 2002-01-22 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  211. 2002-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free SOftware Institute Pages
  212. 2002-01-22 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I'm Back
  213. 2002-01-22 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] New blurb for Linux 1
  214. 2002-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] transition to Linux
  215. 2002-01-23 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  216. 2002-01-23 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  217. 2002-01-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Which version of Windows should I upgrade to? [scott-at-granneman.com]
  218. 2002-01-24 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  219. 2002-01-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  220. 2002-01-24 Kevin Mark <kmark-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Install Help
  221. 2002-01-24 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Photo Id's
  222. 2002-01-24 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  223. 2002-01-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  224. 2002-01-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  225. 2002-01-24 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  226. 2002-01-24 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  227. 2002-01-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  228. 2002-01-24 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  229. 2002-01-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  230. 2002-01-24 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  231. 2002-01-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  232. 2002-01-24 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institue Write-Up (plain-text)
  233. 2002-01-24 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute Write-Up (HTML)
  234. 2002-01-24 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute Write-Up (HTML)
  235. 2002-01-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Install Help
  236. 2002-01-24 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] linux one
  237. 2002-01-24 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] linux one
  238. 2002-01-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Photo Id's
  239. 2002-01-25 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  240. 2002-01-25 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  241. 2002-01-25 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Install Help
  242. 2002-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OPENSSH trouble
  243. 2002-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OPENSSH trouble
  244. 2002-01-26 Alex Pilosov <alex-at-pilosoft.com> Re: [hangout] Photo Id's
  245. 2002-01-26 Alex Pilosov <alex-at-pilosoft.com> Re: [hangout] Photo Id's
  246. 2002-01-26 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Perl training
  247. 2002-01-26 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Perl training
  248. 2002-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Suggestions for SSL Certificate Authorities [wwwac-at-underwood.electricmindcontrol.net]
  249. 2002-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Suggestions for SSL Certificate Authorities [wwwac-at-underwood.electricmindcontrol.net]
  250. 2002-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Perl training
  251. 2002-01-27 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> RE: [hangout] Brooklyn Boro Hall Needs to get Wired
  252. 2002-01-27 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> RE: [hangout] Brooklyn Boro Hall Needs to get Wired
  253. 2002-01-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: How to bid govt contracts 101 :)
  254. 2002-01-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: How to bid govt contracts 101 :)
  255. 2002-01-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Suggestions for SSL Certificate Authorities [wwwac-at-underwood.electricmindcontrol.net]
  256. 2002-01-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Photo Id's
  257. 2002-01-27 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] what the L
  258. 2002-01-27 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] what the L
  259. 2002-01-27 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Boro Hall Needs to get Wired
  260. 2002-01-27 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Boro Hall Needs to get Wired
  261. 2002-01-27 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Dmitry is free but Jon Johansen has been indicted. New York City
  262. 2002-01-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: How to bid govt contracts 101 :) [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  263. 2002-01-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: How to bid govt contracts 101 :) [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  264. 2002-01-27 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] kernal panic
  265. 2002-01-27 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [hangout] what the L
  266. 2002-01-27 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [hangout] what the L
  267. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux World Writeups Revisited
  268. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux World Writeups Revisited
  269. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  270. 2002-01-28 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  271. 2002-01-28 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  272. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hosting Linuxworld
  273. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hosting Linuxworld
  274. 2002-01-28 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Linux World Writeups Revisited
  275. 2002-01-28 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] linuxworld flyer
  276. 2002-01-28 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] linuxworld flyer
  277. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  278. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  279. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware for Class
  280. 2002-01-29 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  281. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  282. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  283. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  284. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  285. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  286. 2002-01-29 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  287. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  288. 2002-01-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] From the floor of the Expo...
  289. 2002-01-29 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Hardware for Class
  290. 2002-01-29 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Specs for NYLXS class computer
  291. 2002-01-30 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux 1 flyer
  292. 2002-01-30 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Booth Coverage
  293. 2002-01-30 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Booth Coverage
  294. 2002-01-30 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 flyer
  295. 2002-01-30 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] MOGLEN at LWE (fwd)

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