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SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
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I don't have a clue about location, should we return to the Rose? If so I
will submit the event for the 22nd at the Killarny Rose. People should
feel free to suggest alternate locations.
Marcus

On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Ruben Safir wrote:

> 16th is no good, the 22nd.
>
>
> Ruben
>
> On 2002.01.02 13:52:54 -0500 mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com wrote:
> >>I scheduled to arrive at LaGuardia at 6:27 on the 15th, so it's a bad day
> >>for me. The 16th I could do.
> >>
> >>On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>
> >>> How is the Tuesday the 15th?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2002.01.02 13:39:00 -0500 mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Does the Jan. 17th sound good?
> >>> >>Marcus
> >>> >>
> >>> >>On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Lets try to set on a date so I can put up an announcement
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Ruben
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On 2002.01.02 12:14:44 -0500 mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com wrote:
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>Hello everyone,
> >>> >>> >>My name is Marcus Conti and I will be leading NYLXS' efforts to introduce
> >>> >>> >>Free Software (FS) into schools. I believe that FS and schools
> >>> >>> >>are a natural match and hope to help others believe it too. Simply put,
> >>> >>> >>for schools, FS has a price that is right and quality comparable to or
> >>> >>> >>exceeding commercial, non-free alternatives.
> >>> >>> >>I have begun a basic "to do" list for the group (the items are not
> >>> >>> >>necessarily in order of priority):
> >>> >>> >>* Prepare a "marketing package"
> >>> >>> >>This will consist of materials that will hopefully convince schools that
> >>> >>> >>FS is right for them. Although it seems like FS should be one of the
> >>> >>> >>easiest things in the world to "sell" because of its high quality and low
> >>> >>> >>price, it probably will take a lot of work. I am currently looking for
> >>> >>> >>and writing literature that illustrates the value of FS in general and
> >>> >>> >>the value to schools in particular. This also includes finding out the
> >>> >>> >>kinds of software that are most useful to schools and what their needs
> >>> >>> >>are.
> >>> >>> >>* Compile a list of support and installation volunteers
> >>> >>> >>We hope to be able to help schools install FS and support them in using.
> >>> >>> >>If we can show that we (and other groups) can offer the schools
> >>> >>> >>technical support and/or guidance they may be more willing to try FS.
> >>> >>> >>* Find sources for free/low-cost hardware
> >>> >>> >>Set up some structure for allowing people to donate hardware for schools
> >>> >>> >>or work with groups that already have donated hardware that could be given
> >>> >>> >>to schools.
> >>> >>> >>* Compile a list of schools
> >>> >>> >>Not just a list of school names, but a list of people to contact and
> >>> >>> >>persuade. It will be helpful to know what technologies the school is
> >>> >>> >>using currently and what the technology needs are.
> >>> >>> >>* Contact schools
> >>> >>> >>This will require a lot of leg work and persistence.
> >>> >>> >>* Install software, support it and teach people how to use it
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>If anyone can contribute in any of those areas, please let me know. Some
> >>> >>> >>people have already expressed interest, thank you to them, and I will be
> >>> >>> >>calling on you. Please feel free to comment on or add to the basic
> >>> >>> >>objectives above. I hope to schedule a meeting soon. I will be out of
> >>> >>> >>the country January 9th-15th, so the first meeting will probably be
> >>> >>> >>after 1/15. Any suggestions on when or where to have the meeting are
> >>> >>> >>appreciated.
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>I am not very fond of writing bios. But some info is appropriate. I
> >>> >>> >>graduated from college with an economics degree and began working in the
> >>> >>> >>economic research field. I became increasingly interested in the
> >>> >>> >>computing side of the research and I ended up being the most technical
> >>> >>> >>member of my research team because I had taken several programming
> >>> >>> >>classes in college. Building on the C programming I learned in
> >>> >>> >>college I learned Java and began working as a Java/Web developer. I
> >>> >>> >>used mostly Microsoft products in my work and quickly began to miss the
> >>> >>> >>Unix systems I had used in college. I heard about a Unix-like operating
> >>> >>> >>system called Linux and investigated. I installed Linux on an old
> >>> >>> >>486 that I purchased for almost nothing and got hooked. Since then I have
> >>> >>> >>moved to using Linux primarily and using non-free software as little as
> >>> >>> >>possible. That is how I got to Linux (or it got to me).
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>Thanks,
> >>> >>> >>Marcus
> >>> >>> >>mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>____________________________
> >>> >>> >>New Yorker Linux Users Scene
> >>> >>> >>Fair Use -
> >>> >>> >>because it's either fair use or useless....
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> --
> >>> >>> __________________________
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> >>> >>> __________________________
> >>> >>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> >>> >>> http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn
> >>> >>> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> >>> >>> http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy
> >>> >>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net
> >>> >>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/hooked.mp3 - Spring is coming....
> >>> >>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn....
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> 1-718-382-5752
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>____________________________
> >>> >>New Yorker Linux Users Scene
> >>> >>Fair Use -
> >>> >>because it's either fair use or useless....
> >>> >>
> >>> --
> >>> __________________________
> >>>
> >>> Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> >>> __________________________
> >>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> >>> http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn
> >>> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> >>> http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy
> >>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net
> >>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/hooked.mp3 - Spring is coming....
> >>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn....
> >>>
> >>> 1-718-382-5752
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> --
> __________________________
>
> Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> __________________________
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/hooked.mp3 - Spring is coming....
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn....
>
> 1-718-382-5752
>
>
>

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  1. 2002-01-30 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux 1 flyer
  2. 2002-01-30 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 flyer
  3. 2002-01-30 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Booth Coverage
  4. 2002-01-30 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Booth Coverage
  5. 2002-01-30 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] MOGLEN at LWE (fwd)
  6. 2002-01-29 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  7. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  8. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  9. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  10. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  11. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  12. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware for Class
  13. 2002-01-29 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Hardware for Class
  14. 2002-01-29 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Specs for NYLXS class computer
  15. 2002-01-29 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  16. 2002-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  17. 2002-01-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] From the floor of the Expo...
  18. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  19. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  20. 2002-01-28 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] linuxworld flyer
  21. 2002-01-28 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] linuxworld flyer
  22. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Regarding your NYLXS training program
  23. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hosting Linuxworld
  24. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hosting Linuxworld
  25. 2002-01-28 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  26. 2002-01-28 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  27. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux World Writeups Revisited
  28. 2002-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux World Writeups Revisited
  29. 2002-01-28 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Linux World Writeups Revisited
  30. 2002-01-27 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Dmitry is free but Jon Johansen has been indicted. New York City
  31. 2002-01-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: How to bid govt contracts 101 :)
  32. 2002-01-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Photo Id's
  33. 2002-01-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: How to bid govt contracts 101 :)
  34. 2002-01-27 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> RE: [hangout] Brooklyn Boro Hall Needs to get Wired
  35. 2002-01-27 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> RE: [hangout] Brooklyn Boro Hall Needs to get Wired
  36. 2002-01-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: How to bid govt contracts 101 :) [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  37. 2002-01-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: How to bid govt contracts 101 :) [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  38. 2002-01-27 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] kernal panic
  39. 2002-01-27 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Boro Hall Needs to get Wired
  40. 2002-01-27 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Boro Hall Needs to get Wired
  41. 2002-01-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Suggestions for SSL Certificate Authorities [wwwac-at-underwood.electricmindcontrol.net]
  42. 2002-01-27 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] what the L
  43. 2002-01-27 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] what the L
  44. 2002-01-27 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [hangout] what the L
  45. 2002-01-27 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [hangout] what the L
  46. 2002-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Suggestions for SSL Certificate Authorities [wwwac-at-underwood.electricmindcontrol.net]
  47. 2002-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Suggestions for SSL Certificate Authorities [wwwac-at-underwood.electricmindcontrol.net]
  48. 2002-01-26 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Perl training
  49. 2002-01-26 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Perl training
  50. 2002-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Perl training
  51. 2002-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OPENSSH trouble
  52. 2002-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OPENSSH trouble
  53. 2002-01-26 Alex Pilosov <alex-at-pilosoft.com> Re: [hangout] Photo Id's
  54. 2002-01-26 Alex Pilosov <alex-at-pilosoft.com> Re: [hangout] Photo Id's
  55. 2002-01-25 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  56. 2002-01-25 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  57. 2002-01-25 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Install Help
  58. 2002-01-24 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  59. 2002-01-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  60. 2002-01-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  61. 2002-01-24 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institue Write-Up (plain-text)
  62. 2002-01-24 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute Write-Up (HTML)
  63. 2002-01-24 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute Write-Up (HTML)
  64. 2002-01-24 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Photo Id's
  65. 2002-01-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Photo Id's
  66. 2002-01-24 Kevin Mark <kmark-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Install Help
  67. 2002-01-24 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  68. 2002-01-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Install Help
  69. 2002-01-24 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  70. 2002-01-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  71. 2002-01-24 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  72. 2002-01-24 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  73. 2002-01-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  74. 2002-01-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  75. 2002-01-24 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  76. 2002-01-24 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] linux one
  77. 2002-01-24 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] linux one
  78. 2002-01-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] We Need Booth Volunteers
  79. 2002-01-23 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  80. 2002-01-23 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  81. 2002-01-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Which version of Windows should I upgrade to? [scott-at-granneman.com]
  82. 2002-01-22 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  83. 2002-01-22 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  84. 2002-01-22 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brochure Write-ups, Booth Volunteers, etc
  85. 2002-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I'm Back
  86. 2002-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] transition to Linux
  87. 2002-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] I'm Back
  88. 2002-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] nylxs logo for buttons/poster
  89. 2002-01-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] nylxs logo for buttons/poster
  90. 2002-01-22 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I'm Back
  91. 2002-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free SOftware Institute Pages
  92. 2002-01-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New blurb for Linux 1
  93. 2002-01-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New blurb for Linux 1
  94. 2002-01-22 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] New blurb for Linux 1
  95. 2002-01-22 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] New blurb for Linux 1
  96. 2002-01-22 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] New blurb for Linux 1
  97. 2002-01-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Expo Booths signup for NYLXS/LXNY/NYLUG
  98. 2002-01-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Expo Booths signup for NYLXS/LXNY/NYLUG
  99. 2002-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wednesday 23 January 2002 NYLUG: Simon Lok on Email Privacy and Key Signing
  100. 2002-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use Meeting
  101. 2002-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs Info
  102. 2002-01-20 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI - brochure (HTML)
  103. 2002-01-20 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI - brochure (HTML)
  104. 2002-01-20 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI - brochure
  105. 2002-01-20 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI - brochure
  106. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux One Class Clarification
  107. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Educating the Feds about Free Software
  108. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Educating the Feds about Free Software
  109. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Educating the Feds about Free Software
  110. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast Success
  111. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast Success
  112. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Teaching Space is opening for us
  113. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Teaching Space is opening for us
  114. 2002-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Teaching Space is opening for us
  115. 2002-01-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Lost RAM and Printer Port
  116. 2002-01-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Lost RAM and Printer Port
  117. 2002-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] No Source Code Changes?
  118. 2002-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] No Source Code Changes?
  119. 2002-01-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] No Source Code Changes?
  120. 2002-01-16 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: Typo in last Re: [hangout] ssh
  121. 2002-01-16 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] No Source Code Changes?
  122. 2002-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lobbying Writeup of Linux World
  123. 2002-01-15 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL
  124. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] SECURITY WIRE DIGEST, VOL. 4, NO. 3, JANUARY 14, 2002 [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  125. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: Re: [hangout] SECURITY WIRE DIGEST, VOL. 4, NO. 3, JANUARY 14, 2002 [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  126. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SECURITY WIRE DIGEST, VOL. 4, NO. 3, JANUARY 14, 2002
  127. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] know site to list programming job? know programmer?
  128. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] InService Announcement
  129. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] InService Announcement
  130. 2002-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] WTC Update
  131. 2002-01-13 From: "Salvatore Denaro" <sdenaro-at-speakeasy.net> RE: [hangout] WTC Update
  132. 2002-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM WANTS HELP FROM LINUX PROGRAMMERS
  133. 2002-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM WANTS HELP FROM LINUX PROGRAMMERS
  134. 2002-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Re: LinuxWorld in New York
  135. 2002-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Re: LinuxWorld in New York
  136. 2002-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: LinuxWorld in New York
  137. 2002-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: LinuxWorld in New York
  138. 2002-01-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Palm Datebook
  139. 2002-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: perl classes [frallon-at-yahoo.com]
  140. 2002-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: perl classes [frallon-at-yahoo.com]
  141. 2002-01-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Quote for Linux Class [jhelf-at-aa.acinc.com]
  142. 2002-01-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Quote for Linux Class [jhelf-at-aa.acinc.com]
  143. 2002-01-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Quote for Linux Class [jhelf-at-aa.acinc.com]
  144. 2002-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Quote for Linux Class [jhelf-at-aa.acinc.com]
  145. 2002-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Quote for Linux Class [jhelf-at-aa.acinc.com]
  146. 2002-01-11 From: "Brendan W. McAdams" <rit-at-jacked-in.org> Subject: [hangout] Tunney Act Ending
  147. 2002-01-11 From: "Brendan W. McAdams" <rit-at-jacked-in.org> Subject: [hangout] Tunney Act Ending
  148. 2002-01-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Desktop Publisher
  149. 2002-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What's wrong with Yahoo
  150. 2002-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What's wrong with Yahoo
  151. 2002-01-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] LinuxWorld Expo: General info
  152. 2002-01-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [fairuse-discuss] FreeDevelopers.net [seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org]
  153. 2002-01-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [fairuse-discuss] FreeDevelopers.net [seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org]
  154. 2002-01-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Resources
  155. 2002-01-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Job Training Expenses - Paid for by the City of NY
  156. 2002-01-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCHOOLFORGE COALITION FORMED TO ADVANCE OPEN RESOURCES IN EDUCATION
  157. 2002-01-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCHOOLFORGE COALITION FORMED TO ADVANCE OPEN RESOURCES IN EDUCATION
  158. 2002-01-10 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] SCHOOLFORGE COALITION FORMED TO ADVANCE OPEN RESOURCES IN EDUCATION
  159. 2002-01-10 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] New to the World
  160. 2002-01-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] booth sign up list
  161. 2002-01-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] booth sign up list
  162. 2002-01-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Testimonials for the NYLXS JOURNAL
  163. 2002-01-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Testimonials for the NYLXS JOURNAL
  164. 2002-01-09 Kevin Mark <kmark-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [nylug-talk] New To The World
  165. 2002-01-08 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] thelinuxshow.com
  166. 2002-01-08 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] thelinuxshow.com
  167. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Emperor Linux
  168. 2002-01-08 Alex Pilosov <alex-at-pilosoft.com> Re: [hangout] ssl info questions...
  169. 2002-01-08 Rubn Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Consultants
  170. 2002-01-08 Rubn Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Consultants
  171. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public relations Comittee
  172. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public relations Comittee
  173. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: NYACC [barry-at-weiser.net]
  174. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: NYACC [barry-at-weiser.net]
  175. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Emperor Linux
  176. 2002-01-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] WTC Update
  177. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ssl info questions...
  178. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ssl info questions...
  179. 2002-01-08 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] ssl info questions...
  180. 2002-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] to education committee FYI
  181. 2002-01-08 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] to education committee FYI
  182. 2002-01-08 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] to education committee FYI
  183. 2002-01-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software Institute - Last Meeting, where we st and.
  184. 2002-01-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee - EXPO
  185. 2002-01-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee - EXPO
  186. 2002-01-07 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee - EXPO
  187. 2002-01-07 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Free Software Institute - Last Meeting, where we st
  188. 2002-01-07 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute - Last Meeting, where we stand.
  189. 2002-01-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee - EXPO
  190. 2002-01-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In Service Tonite
  191. 2002-01-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In Service Tonite
  192. 2002-01-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] hardware vendor
  193. 2002-01-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] hardware vendor
  194. 2002-01-06 Vagn Scott <vagn-at-ranok.com> Re: [hangout] WTC Update
  195. 2002-01-05 From: "Alan Wiess" <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> RE: [hangout] WTC Update
  196. 2002-01-05 From: "Alan Wiess" <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> RE: [hangout] WTC Update
  197. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  198. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  199. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Time to kill? Help a UN site for kids...
  200. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Events Page
  201. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Time to kill? Help a UN site for kids...
  202. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Time to kill? Help a UN site for kids...
  203. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Berkly to close down internet if given a chance
  204. 2002-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Berkly to close down internet if given a chance
  205. 2002-01-05 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Re: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  206. 2002-01-05 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Re: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  207. 2002-01-05 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Subject: [hangout] getting off hangout email list
  208. 2002-01-05 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Subject: [hangout] getting off hangout email list
  209. 2002-01-05 Kevin Mark <kmark-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Charlie Rose interviews Lawrence Lessig
  210. 2002-01-05 Kevin Mark <kmark-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Charlie Rose interviews Lawrence Lessig
  211. 2002-01-04 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  212. 2002-01-04 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  213. 2002-01-04 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  214. 2002-01-04 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Subject: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  215. 2002-01-04 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Subject: [hangout] toshiba tecra
  216. 2002-01-04 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Audio InService
  217. 2002-01-04 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Audio InService
  218. 2002-01-04 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Audio InService
  219. 2002-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Audio InService
  220. 2002-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Audio InService
  221. 2002-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hardware vendor
  222. 2002-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] hardware vendor
  223. 2002-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] WTC Update
  224. 2002-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING
  225. 2002-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING
  226. 2002-01-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING
  227. 2002-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING
  228. 2002-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING
  229. 2002-01-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING
  230. 2002-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING
  231. 2002-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING
  232. 2002-01-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING
  233. 2002-01-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING
  234. 2002-01-04 Vagn Scott <vagn-at-ranok.com> Re: [hangout] WTC Update
  235. 2002-01-03 Kevin Mark <kmark-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Computerworld newletter Joke?
  236. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] getting off hangout email list
  237. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] getting off hangout email list
  238. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction
  239. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Software News
  240. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Software News
  241. 2002-01-02 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Subject: [hangout] getting off hangout email list
  242. 2002-01-02 From: "joseph maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Introduction
  243. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] GNUCHESS
  244. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] GNUCHESS
  245. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  246. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  247. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  248. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  249. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  250. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  251. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  252. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  253. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  254. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  255. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  256. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  257. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  258. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  259. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  260. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  261. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  262. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  263. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  264. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylxs-announce] Fwd: Re: [hangout] First Public Relations
  265. 2002-01-02 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  266. 2002-01-02 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  267. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylxs-announce] Fwd: Re: [hangout] First Public Relations
  268. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  269. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  270. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  271. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  272. 2002-01-02 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee
  273. 2002-01-02 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee
  274. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee
  275. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee
  276. 2002-01-02 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Installfest
  277. 2002-01-02 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Installfest
  278. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  279. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  280. 2002-01-02 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee
  281. 2002-01-02 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] First Public Relations Committee
  282. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Installfest
  283. 2002-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Installfest
  284. 2002-01-02 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfest
  285. 2002-01-02 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfest
  286. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  287. 2002-01-02 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Introduction to Free Software for Schools
  288. 2002-01-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Core Perl is out - Reuven Lerner ]
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  294. 2002-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fax from Widows
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