Fri Apr 26 12:47:52 2024
EVENTS
 FREE
SOFTWARE
INSTITUTE

POLITICS
JOBS
MEMBERS'
CORNER

MAILING
LIST

NYLXS Mailing Lists and Archives
NYLXS Members have a lot to say and share but we don't keep many secrets. Join the Hangout Mailing List and say your peice.

DATE 2003-04-01

HANGOUT

2024-04-26 | 2024-03-26 | 2024-02-26 | 2024-01-26 | 2023-12-26 | 2023-11-26 | 2023-10-26 | 2023-09-26 | 2023-08-26 | 2023-07-26 | 2023-06-26 | 2023-05-26 | 2023-04-26 | 2023-03-26 | 2023-02-26 | 2023-01-26 | 2022-12-26 | 2022-11-26 | 2022-10-26 | 2022-09-26 | 2022-08-26 | 2022-07-26 | 2022-06-26 | 2022-05-26 | 2022-04-26 | 2022-03-26 | 2022-02-26 | 2022-01-26 | 2021-12-26 | 2021-11-26 | 2021-10-26 | 2021-09-26 | 2021-08-26 | 2021-07-26 | 2021-06-26 | 2021-05-26 | 2021-04-26 | 2021-03-26 | 2021-02-26 | 2021-01-26 | 2020-12-26 | 2020-11-26 | 2020-10-26 | 2020-09-26 | 2020-08-26 | 2020-07-26 | 2020-06-26 | 2020-05-26 | 2020-04-26 | 2020-03-26 | 2020-02-26 | 2020-01-26 | 2019-12-26 | 2019-11-26 | 2019-10-26 | 2019-09-26 | 2019-08-26 | 2019-07-26 | 2019-06-26 | 2019-05-26 | 2019-04-26 | 2019-03-26 | 2019-02-26 | 2019-01-26 | 2018-12-26 | 2018-11-26 | 2018-10-26 | 2018-09-26 | 2018-08-26 | 2018-07-26 | 2018-06-26 | 2018-05-26 | 2018-04-26 | 2018-03-26 | 2018-02-26 | 2018-01-26 | 2017-12-26 | 2017-11-26 | 2017-10-26 | 2017-09-26 | 2017-08-26 | 2017-07-26 | 2017-06-26 | 2017-05-26 | 2017-04-26 | 2017-03-26 | 2017-02-26 | 2017-01-26 | 2016-12-26 | 2016-11-26 | 2016-10-26 | 2016-09-26 | 2016-08-26 | 2016-07-26 | 2016-06-26 | 2016-05-26 | 2016-04-26 | 2016-03-26 | 2016-02-26 | 2016-01-26 | 2015-12-26 | 2015-11-26 | 2015-10-26 | 2015-09-26 | 2015-08-26 | 2015-07-26 | 2015-06-26 | 2015-05-26 | 2015-04-26 | 2015-03-26 | 2015-02-26 | 2015-01-26 | 2014-12-26 | 2014-11-26 | 2014-10-26 | 2014-09-26 | 2014-08-26 | 2014-07-26 | 2014-06-26 | 2014-05-26 | 2014-04-26 | 2014-03-26 | 2014-02-26 | 2014-01-26 | 2013-12-26 | 2013-11-26 | 2013-10-26 | 2013-09-26 | 2013-08-26 | 2013-07-26 | 2013-06-26 | 2013-05-26 | 2013-04-26 | 2013-03-26 | 2013-02-26 | 2013-01-26 | 2012-12-26 | 2012-11-26 | 2012-10-26 | 2012-09-26 | 2012-08-26 | 2012-07-26 | 2012-06-26 | 2012-05-26 | 2012-04-26 | 2012-03-26 | 2012-02-26 | 2012-01-26 | 2011-12-26 | 2011-11-26 | 2011-10-26 | 2011-09-26 | 2011-08-26 | 2011-07-26 | 2011-06-26 | 2011-05-26 | 2011-04-26 | 2011-03-26 | 2011-02-26 | 2011-01-26 | 2010-12-26 | 2010-11-26 | 2010-10-26 | 2010-09-26 | 2010-08-26 | 2010-07-26 | 2010-06-26 | 2010-05-26 | 2010-04-26 | 2010-03-26 | 2010-02-26 | 2010-01-26 | 2009-12-26 | 2009-11-26 | 2009-10-26 | 2009-09-26 | 2009-08-26 | 2009-07-26 | 2009-06-26 | 2009-05-26 | 2009-04-26 | 2009-03-26 | 2009-02-26 | 2009-01-26 | 2008-12-26 | 2008-11-26 | 2008-10-26 | 2008-09-26 | 2008-08-26 | 2008-07-26 | 2008-06-26 | 2008-05-26 | 2008-04-26 | 2008-03-26 | 2008-02-26 | 2008-01-26 | 2007-12-26 | 2007-11-26 | 2007-10-26 | 2007-09-26 | 2007-08-26 | 2007-07-26 | 2007-06-26 | 2007-05-26 | 2007-04-26 | 2007-03-26 | 2007-02-26 | 2007-01-26 | 2006-12-26 | 2006-11-26 | 2006-10-26 | 2006-09-26 | 2006-08-26 | 2006-07-26 | 2006-06-26 | 2006-05-26 | 2006-04-26 | 2006-03-26 | 2006-02-26 | 2006-01-26 | 2005-12-26 | 2005-11-26 | 2005-10-26 | 2005-09-26 | 2005-08-26 | 2005-07-26 | 2005-06-26 | 2005-05-26 | 2005-04-26 | 2005-03-26 | 2005-02-26 | 2005-01-26 | 2004-12-26 | 2004-11-26 | 2004-10-26 | 2004-09-26 | 2004-08-26 | 2004-07-26 | 2004-06-26 | 2004-05-26 | 2004-04-26 | 2004-03-26 | 2004-02-26 | 2004-01-26 | 2003-12-26 | 2003-11-26 | 2003-10-26 | 2003-09-26 | 2003-08-26 | 2003-07-26 | 2003-06-26 | 2003-05-26 | 2003-04-26 | 2003-03-26 | 2003-02-26 | 2003-01-26 | 2002-12-26 | 2002-11-26 | 2002-10-26 | 2002-09-26 | 2002-08-26 | 2002-07-26 | 2002-06-26 | 2002-05-26 | 2002-04-26 | 2002-03-26 | 2002-02-26 | 2002-01-26 | 2001-12-26 | 2001-11-26 | 2001-10-26 | 2001-09-26 | 2001-08-26 | 2001-07-26 | 2001-06-26 | 2001-05-26 | 2001-04-26 | 2001-03-26 | 2001-02-26 | 2001-01-26 | 2000-12-26 | 2000-11-26 | 2000-10-26 | 2000-09-26 | 2000-08-26 | 2000-07-26 | 2000-06-26 | 2000-05-26 | 2000-04-26 | 2000-03-26 | 2000-02-26 | 2000-01-26 | 1999-12-26

Key: Value:

Key: Value:

MESSAGE
DATE 2003-04-06
FROM Ruben I Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Economic of Copyright: Row Row Row Your boat

http://www.monthlyreview.org/0103perelman.htm

Occupation?s Mixed Legacy
by William K. Tabb

Michael Perelman teaches economics at California State University,
Chico. This article is based on his book Steal This Idea: Intellectual
Property and the Corporate Confiscation of Creativity (Palgrave, 2001).
His other books include The Pathology of the U.S. Economy Revisited: The
Intractable Contradictions of Economic Policy (Palgrave, 2002) and The
Invention of Capitalism: The Secret History of Primitive Accumulation
(Duke University Press, 2000).

The dramatic expansion of intellectual property rights represents a new
stage in commodification that threatens to make virtually everything bad
about capitalism even worse. Stronger intellectual property rights will
reinforce class differences, undermine science and technology, speed up
the corporatization of the university, inundate society in legal
disputes, and reduce personal freedoms.

We have no precise measure of the extent of intellectual property, but a
rough calculation by Marjorie Kelly suggests the magnitude of
intellectual property rights. At the end of 1995, the book value of the
Standard and Poor (S&P) index of 500 companies accounted for only 26
percent of market value. Intangible assets were worth three times the
value of tangible assets.1 Of course, not all intangible assets are
intellectual property rights, but a substantial proportion certainly is.

While the legal protection of intellectual property might seem
inseparable from contemporary global capitalism, until fairly recently
capitalists were equivocal about such things. During the first six
decades of the nineteenth century, corporations in the United States
were not inclined to respect such intellectual property rights. For
example, they often paid as little as possible, or nothing at all, to
inventors. In addition, the United States did not even recognize
international copyrights.

The free-marketeers of the nineteenth century vigorously opposed
intellectual property rights as feudalistic monopolies. Their view of
intellectual property rights mostly dominated political economic opinion
in the United States until the massive depression of 1870s weakened
faith in market forces. In the context of the economic crisis, business
was desperate for anything that would return profits to what they
considered to be an acceptable level.

At first, business owners tried forming cartels and trusts to hobble
competitive forces. In response to vigorous protests, Congress passed
the Sherman Antitrust Act. However, corporations were able to use
patents, which were perfectly legal, as a convenient loophole to evade
the intent of that law. Through patent pools, they could divide up the
market and exclude new competitors. In this way, intellectual property
rights were important in establishing monopoly capitalism.

The strengthening of intellectual property rights accelerated once again
as the bloom wore off the post-Second World War ?Golden Age? and the
United States? export surplus disappeared. Behind closed doors,
corporate leaders successfully lobbied the government to strengthen
intellectual property rights that would give advantages to their
industries. Just as in the late nineteenth century, business saw
property rights as a means of increasing profits when economic
conditions began to sour. The public never had a clue about the extent
to which the government had given away important rights.

The Bizarre World of Intellectual Property Rights

Today, intellectual property rights claims go far beyond patent
protection for useful inventions and copyrights for new music. Some
claims are so outlandish that they would be humorous if the courts did
not take them so seriously. For example, lawyers are now suggesting that
athletes should patent the way they shoot a basket or catch a pass.2

The American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers (ASCAP), ever
on the lookout for more royalties, was about to sue the Girl Scouts for
singing ?Row, Row, Row Your Boat? and other songs around campfires until
adverse publicity caused it to relent.3 On the same day that the Girl
Scout article appeared, a Wall Street Journal article reported that the
National Basketball Association was engaged in a suit against America
Online over the transmission of game scores and statistics from NBA
games in progress.4 In another case, someone, in all seriousness,
patented the correct way of lifting a box.5 In one remarkable case, a
patient found that his doctor had patented genetic material from the
patient?s own body without informing him. The patient sued for
compensation, but the courts upheld the doctor?s rights to the
intellectual property encoded in the patient?s genes.6

Absurd claims to informational property rights have been expanding by
leaps and bounds. People have successfully convinced the Patent and
Trademark Office to grant property rights for everything from colors to
a specific number.7 The Patent and Trademark Office even registered the
?frowny? emoticon as a trademark of Despair.com. Ralph Lauren won a
victory in an appeals court in 2000, when his lawyers forced a magazine,
begun in 1975 as the official publication of the U.S. Polo Association,
to change its name because Lauren claimed the word ?Polo? as
intellectual property.8 In a similar case, when educators at the
Australian Institute of Management listed a twenty-year-old course,
?Effective Negotiation Skills,? on the organization?s Web site, a United
States training group, Karrass, told the institute to take the course
description off the site because Karrass has a U.S. trademark over the
expressions ?effective negotiating,? ?advanced effective negotiating,?
and ?effective sales negotiating.?9

One critic of the patent system even succeeded in winning a patent for
Kirchoff?s law, a scientific principle first developed in 1845, proving
that the electric current flowing into a function equals the current
flowing out.10 If an individual critic of the patent system is able to
manipulate the Patent and Trademark Office into registering such
ridiculous claims, think of how much profit-maximizing corporations,
with enormous resources available for research and legal expenses, are
able to stake out as private property.

To illustrate this point, Richard Stallman, winner of a MacArthur
?genius? award, challenged Bruce Lehman, then head of the U.S. Patent
and Trademark Office, at a contentious meeting. Stallman produced a
voluminous, unwieldy printout of a computer program he had written
earlier with several colleagues. He explained that the program was
currently in use on more than a million computers, including those of
the U.S. Air Force and major companies, such as Intel and Motorola.
?Just a few lines of code can be enough to infringe a patent, and this
compiler has ten thousand pages,? Stallman said, gesturing to the
document. ?How many patents does it infringe? I don?t know. Nobody does.
Perhaps you can read the code and tell me?? he challenged Mr. Lehman.11

The Dual Economy

Intellectual property rights change the nature of competition. Most
industries that do not enjoy the protection of intellectual property
rights find themselves involved in intense competition, which lowers
their profits. In contrast, companies with intellectual property rights
face limited competition and can enjoy elevated profits.

For example, Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan recently told
Congress: ?Indeed, a striking feature of the current cyclical episode
relative to many earlier ones has been the virtual absence of pricing
power across much of American business, as increasing globalization and
deregulation have enhanced competition. In this low-inflation
environment, firms have perceived very little ability to pass cost
increases on to customers.?12

Let us decode the Chairman?s words. For agricultural products, steel,
and other commodity-like goods with no intellectual property protection,
competitive forces put powerful pressure on profits. If the entire
economy were like those industries, a severe crisis would engulf it. In
particular, those industries that depended on intellectual property
would tend to be especially vulnerable. Reproduction costs for software,
pharmaceuticals, or movies are trivial. In the language of economics,
marginal costs are small and fixed costs are high. Without the legal
protection of intellectual property rights, strong competition in such
industries would mean certain bankruptcy. Consequently, monopoly in
these sectors is essential, and monopoly is made possible by
intellectual property rights protection.

A few years earlier, Greenspan was emphasizing a different part of the
economy, breathlessly rhapsodizing about a weightless economy:
The world of 1948 was vastly different from the world of 1996. The
American economy, more then than now, was viewed as the ultimate in
technology and productivity in virtually all fields of economic
endeavor. The quintessential model of industrial might in those days was
the array of vast, smoke-encased integrated steel mills in the
Pittsburgh district and on the shores of Lake Michigan. Output was
things, big physical things.
Virtually unimaginable a half-century ago was the extent to which
concepts and ideas would substitute for physical resources and human
brawn in the production of goods and services. In 1948 radios were still
being powered by vacuum tubes. Today, transistors deliver far higher
quality with a mere fraction of the bulk. Fiber-optics has [sic]
replaced huge tonnages of copper wire, and advances in architectural and
engineering design have made possible the construction of buildings with
much greater floor space but significantly less physical material than
the buildings erected just after World War II. Accordingly, while the
weight of current economic output is probably only modestly higher than
it was a half-century ago, value added, adjusted for price change, has
risen well over threefold.13

Over and above the obvious exaggeration, Greenspan?s words here appeal
to the marvels of high technology. But the so-called weightless economy
has more to do with the legislated powers of intellectual property that
the government granted to powerful corporations.14 For example,
companies such as Nike, Microsoft, and Pfizer sell stuff that has high
value relative to its weight only because their intellectual property
rights insulate them from competition.

In his more recent testimony, Greenspan noted, however, ?a firm is
inherently fragile if its value-added emanates more from conceptual as
distinct from physical assets.?15 This possibility would be even more
terrifying to holders of intellectual property was it not for the
powerful protection that the state provides. Not a day goes by when some
legislature or some courtroom fails to grant new powers to holders of
intellectual property.

The Costs of Intellectual Property Rights

Intellectual property rights are in the process of corrupting society in
a number of ways. First of all, intellectual property rights will
reinforce class differences. Worldwide, the rich have become richer to
an unimaginable extent in recent years. The members of the ?Forbes 400,?
a compilation of the 400 richest people in the United States, have a
combined net worth of $1 trillion-greater than the gross domestic
product of China.16

Between 1995 and 1998, the average annual income for a member of this
elite group rose from $50 million to a staggering $110 million. The
obscene wealth of a Bill Gates of Microsoft, a Phil Knight of Nike, and
all of the other instant Internet billionaires, alongside the sizable
residue of poverty that blights the contemporary United States, reminds
us of the link between the distribution of income and intellectual
property.

Emblematic of the extent of this new distribution of property, in 1999
outside of those who have inherited their wealth, three of the four
richest people in the world, according to a Forbes magazine survey, owed
their wealth to Microsoft, one of the major holders of intellectual
property rights, befitting the so-called New Economy in which ?DOS
Capital? has supplanted Das Kapital.17

Perhaps the famous trickle down effect could justify the obscene
maldistribution of wealth if intellectual property rights actually
improved productivity. In fact, intellectual property rights are
terribly destructive of productivity on many counts. First of all,
intellectual property rights undermine the very science and technology
that they are supposed to promote. Intellectual property rights are to
science what tollbooths are to highway traffic. Both create bottlenecks
and impede forward progress, but in the case of intellectual property
rights, innumerable disputes arise about who gets to collect the tolls
and how much the tolls should be. To the extent that the present system
of intellectual property rights constricts the flow of new technologies,
it imposes another incalculable cost on society.

For example, virtually no new technology is the product of a single
person or even a single corporation. Ideas and discoveries, what Marx
called ?universal labor,? draw upon a multitude of sources. Sorting out
who deserves legitimate credit for any technology is impossible. Just
consider the complexity of a large software system with 100,000
components. It can use hundreds of previously patented techniques.
Because each patent search costs about a thousand dollars, searching for
all the possible patent potholes in the program could easily run well
over $1 million, and that far exceeds the cost of writing the program.18

Intellectual property rights spawn a system of wasteful litigation.
Already, by the early 1990s, Intel?s annual litigation budget alone was
believed to be at least $100 million. No doubt it has grown
significantly since then.

Intellectual property rights also create an atmosphere of secrecy, which
is inimical to scientific progress. Finally, the quest for intellectual
property rights is speeding up the corporatization of the university.
Universities now routinely sell to corporations the rights to the
patents developed in university laboratories, often at public expense.

Oil or Intellectual Property

While energy sources are the central to maintaining life itself, let
alone the capitalist mode of production, intellectual property rights
are now every bit as important in maintaining the international
financial balances of the U.S. economy. Domestic access to oil will
remain important, of course, so long as the comfortable classes continue
to ride in their SUVs and heat and cool their mega-mansions, but the
energy requirements for the domestic production of material goods
becomes increasingly less important as production moves to low-wage
peripheral areas of the world. Intellectual property rights have become
the financial counterweight to deindustrialization, because the revenues
that they generate help to balance the massive imports of material
goods. Unfortunately, this means of payment still remains woefully
insufficient to reimburse the rest of the world for the imports to
United States.

The strengthening of intellectual property rights is perhaps the most
pressing U.S. foreign policy objective today, possibly even more so than
oil. The government?s efforts go well beyond shoring up the legal rights
of holders of this kind of intellectual property. The full weight of its
power is brought to bear against all evildoers who would dare to create
knock offs of a Disney cartoon or a Nike ?swoosh.? In the words of
Thomas Friedman, perhaps the most enthusiastic proponent of
globalization at the New York Times:
The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden
fist?McDonald?s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the designer
of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon
Valley?s technologies is called the United States Army, Air Force, Navy
and Marine Corps....Without America on duty, there will be no America
Online.19

Lest the skeptical reader dismiss Friedman?s clever phrasing as nothing
more than a rhetorical flourish, consider the words of William Cohen,
the secretary of defense in the Clinton administration. In February
1999, upon his arrival in Seattle?a city that a few months later became
a symbol of resistance to the policies that he was sent to advocate?to
speak to the employees of Microsoft, the secretary told reporters, ?I
will point out that the prosperity that companies like Microsoft now
enjoy could not occur without having the strong military that we
have.?20 Friedman and Cohen have expressed what is probably the central
thrust of the foreign policy of the government of the United States.

Intellectual Property and Corporate Control

Guarding the property rights of typical material commodities is
relatively simple. Because most commodities are assembled in stores or
warehouses, the owners merely have to watch over the commodities in
question to ensure that unauthorized people do not take possession of
them. In the case of intellectual property, the materiality of the good
is irrelevant. A song or a program can be downloaded virtually
everywhere by anybody. As a result, protecting intellectual property
requires control over people rather than things. Consequently, the
protection of intellectual property is necessarily more intrusive than
for material commodities.

Purveyors of intellectual property implore the government, often with
success, to mandate modifications that limit the capacity of modern
technologies to violate intellectual property rights?even if they cause
inconvenience to the consumers whom capitalism is supposed to serve.

A frightening, albeit ridiculous, example of this invasiveness came from
a Canadian case in which a farmer was accused of ?stealing? Monsanto?s
intellectual property by planting genetically engineered seeds. The
farmer protested that he had not planted Monsanto?s seeds. The judge
ruled that even though the court had no evidence to prove that the
genetic material had not drifted onto his property in pollen from other
farms, this farmer had the obligation to police his fields to protect
Monsanto?s intellectual property. According to the decision, ?the
source...is really not significant....Growth of the seed, reproducing
the patented gene and cell, and sale of the harvested crop constitutes
taking the essence of the plaintiffs? invention, using it, without
permission. In so doing the defendants infringed upon the patent
interests of the plaintiffs.?21 Of course, to expect farmers to prevent
pollen from drifting onto their fields strains credulity?even in a
corporate-dominated society.

Conclusion

So here is a property right that undermines science, burdens the economy
with expensive litigation, and infringes on personal freedom. To make
matters more absurd, public research forms the basis of the great
advances in intellectual property. Yet the leaders of the capitalist
world can find no better way to lift the rate of profit than to promote
the expansion of intellectual property rights.

Notes

1. 1Marjorie Kelly, The Divine Right of Capital (San Francisco:
Bennett-Koehler, 2001), 16.
2. See William W. Fisher, ?The Growth of Intellectual Property?
. Also, see Mark Walsh,
?Patently Ridiculous, Some Say; People Dunk Basketballs. People Lift
Boxes. Should the Patent Office Protect Their ?Inventions??? Legal Times
(19 August 1996), S32.
3. Elisabeth Bumiller, ?ASCAP Tries to Levy Campfire Royalties from
Girl Scouts and Regrets It,? New York Times, 17 December 1996. Also, see
?Girl Scouts Don?t Have to Pay Fees to Sing Songs,? Wall Street Journal,
27 August 1996.
4. ?America Online Faces Lawsuit by NBA Over Data on Games,? Wall
Street Journal 29 August 1996.
5. Walsh, ?Patently,? S32
6. James Boyle, Shamans, Software, and Spleens (Cambridge, Mass.:
Harvard University Press, 1996), 21?24.
7. Simson Garfinkel, ?A Prime Legal Patent: Legal Rights to a Number
Upset Programmers and Lawyers,? Scientific American 273 (July 1995): 30.
8. Seth Shulman, ?PB&J Patent Punch-Up,? Technology Review 104 (May
2001).
9. David James, ?Trademarks: Latest Word on the Internet: It?s Legal
Chaos,? Business Review Weekly (Australia), 4 February 2000.
10. Seth Shulman, Owning the Future: Staking Claims in the Knowledge
Frontier (Boston: Houghton-Mifflin, 1999), 11.
11. Ibid., 69.
12. Alan Greenspan, ?Federal Reserve Board?s Semiannual Monetary
Policy Report to the Congress Before the Committee on Banking, Housing,
and Urban Affairs,? 7 March 2002, .
13. Alan Greenspan, ?Technological Advances and Productivity: Remarks
at the 80th Anniversary Awards Dinner of the Conference Board,? New York
City, 16 October 1996,
14. See the discussion in Michael Perelman, Steal This Idea (New York:
Palgrave, 2002).
15. Greenspan, ?Technological?.
16. Peter Newcomb, ?The Richest People in America,? Forbes 164
(October 1999): 169.
17. See Erika Brown, et. al., ?Global Billionaires,? Forbes 164 (July
1999): The phrase ?DOS Capital? was coined by George Bittlingmayer and
Thomas W. Hazlett in ?DOS Kapital: Has Antitrust Action Against
Microsoft Created Value in the Computer Industry?,? Journal of Financial
Economics 55 (March 2000): 329?359.
18. Fred Warshofsky, The Patent Wars (New York: Wiley, 1994), 168.
19. Thomas Friedman, The Lexus and the Olive Tree (New York: Farrar,
Strauss & Giroux, 1999), 373.
20. Robert Burns, ?Post-Cold War Worries: Cohen to Call for Strong
Military in High-Tech Visit,? Associated Press, 18 February 1999,
www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/cohen990218.html.
21. Cited in Perelman, Steal, 123.

| Top | Subscribe | Order Single Issue | Back Issues | MR Press |

All material copyright ©2003 by Monthly Review
On 2003.04.06 03:40 Ruben I Safir wrote:
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/views/041800-106.htm
>
> Published on Tuesday, April 18, 2000 in the San Francisco Bay Guardian
> Greenspan Shrugged:
> The Reserve Chair's Philosophy Differs Little From His Ayn Rand Days
> by Ralph Nader
> Last year Congress made Federal Reserve Board chair Alan Greenspan a
> virtual regulatory czar over financial services corporations.
> Considering the waves of adulation that have been sweeping over
> Greenspan, the anointment was not a surprise.
>
> It would be reasonable to assume that before placing this important
> regulatory power under the Federal Reserve, Congress undertook a
careful
> review of Greenspan's regulatory philosophy and record. You can toss
> that assumption in the nearest trash can.
>
> Congress knows little and cares less about how Greenspan views the
> government's role in protecting the public interest and the public
> purse. The same is true for the three presidents -- Ronald Reagan,
> George Bush, and William Clinton -- who have appointed and reappointed
> Greenspan to four terms as chair of the Federal Reserve.
>
> A causal observer of Senate confirmation hearings would be led to
> believe that financial regulation has nothing to do with the job of
> Federal Reserve chair. The issue never comes up. It is the rarest of
> occurrences when a congressional oversight hearing places a Federal
> Reserve official in the dock over financial regulatory shortcomings.
>
> Yet Congress, with only half-hearted opposition from the Clinton
> administration's Treasury Department, handed Greenspan and the Federal
> Reserve the regulatory plums when it authorized the merger of banks,
> securities firms, and insurance companies under common ownership in
> giant conglomerates. The safety and soundness of the nation's
financial
> system will rest heavily on how vigorously the Federal Reserve carries
> out its responsibility.
>
> For longtime watchers of Greenspan the move was incongruous, if not
> outright risky. As a disciple of Ayn Rand, later as an economic guru
for
> the Republican Party, and still later as a lobbyist for financial
> corporations, Greenspan has disagreed with regulation as a tool to
> protect consumers and the well-being of a free enterprise economy.
> Greenspan has argued that the self-interest of the corporations ? the
> desire of corporations to protect their reputation ? was all that was
> necessary for consumer protection.
>
> In an article published in 1963 as part of Ayn Rand's book Capitalism:
> The Unknown Ideal, Greenspan declared that protection of the consumer
> against "dishonest and unscrupulous business was the cardinal
ingredient
> of welfare statism."
>
> "Regulation which is based on force and fear undermines the moral base
> of business dealings," he wrote. "Protection of the consumer by
> regulation ... is illusory."
>
> Some may well argue that these diatribes against regulation were part
of
> a passing phase in Greenspan's career. Perhaps, but this philosophy
was
> alive and well when Greenspan, as a consultant-lobbyist, badgered
> federal regulators. In one case, Greenspan intervened directly with
the
> principal regulator of Charles Keating's Lincoln Savings in an attempt
> to gain special exemptions from regulations for the institution. Risky
> investments ultimately brought Lincoln Savings down, sent Keating to
> jail, and cost the taxpayers $2.5 billion. Greenspan became chair of
the
> Federal Reserve.
>
> Greenspan's antiregulation philosophy continues to crop up at the
> Federal Reserve. Not only has the General Accounting Office raised
> questions about the efficacy of the Federal Reserve's regulation of
bank
> holding companies, but Greenspan has erected roadblocks to the
> collection of data important to consumer protection and fair lending
as
> well.
>
> In 1996 Greenspan was urged to help in the enforcement of fair lending
> laws by collecting data on the race and gender of applicants for small
> business and consumer loans. Despite pleas from the Office of the
> Comptroller of the Currency and the Civil Rights Division of the
Justice
> Department, Greenspan and his fellow governors blocked the proposal.
>
> This year Greenspan decided to end the collection of nationwide data
on
> bank fees. The survey, which was authorized as part of the financial
> reforms adopted in 1989, has proven an excellent tool that consumer
> groups have used to highlight and battle the excessive fees that banks
> impose on consumers.
>
> Similarly, the Federal Reserve is dropping its "Functional Cost
> Analysis" study, which has provided important data on how much it
costs
> banks to provide services. This has been a great tool for measuring
the
> validity of bank charges. Credit unions, particularly, have made good
> use of this data to dramatize fee and interest rate gouging by banks.
>
> But if we believe the words of Greenspan during his Ayn Rand period,
he
> probably doesn't see any need for such data, much less regulation.
>
> And if anyone complains about the loss of such consumer and
fair-lending
> information, Greenspan could send them this excerpt from his writings
> with Ayn Rand: "Government regulation is not an alternative means of
> protecting the consumer. It does not build quality into goods, or
> accuracy into information. Its sole contribution is to substitute
force
> and fear for incentive as the 'protector' of the consumer. The
> euphemisms of government press releases to the contrary
notwithstanding,
> the basis of regulation is armed force. At the bottom of the endless
> pile of paper work which characterizes all regulation lies a gun."
>
> And this is the Alan Greenspan who Congress believes should protect
the
> public interest in the regulation of the new financial conglomerates?
>
>
> On 2003.04.06 03:38 Ruben I Safir wrote:
> >
> >
> > Greenspan says balance needed in protecting intellectual property
> >
> >
> > WASHINGTON (AP) -- As the fruits of ever-changing technology play an
> > increasing role in the U.S. economy, the country must strike the
right
> > balance in developing legal protections for innovative ideas or
> > "intellectual property," Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan
said
> > Friday.
> >
> > "Are the protections sufficiently broad to encourage innovation but
> not
> > so broad as to shut down follow-on innovation?" Greenspan asked in
> > remarks prepared for delivery via a satellite video link to a
Federal
> > Reserve Bank of Atlanta conference in Sea Island, Ga.
> >
> > "How appropriate is our current system -- developed for a world in
> which
> > physical assets predominated -- for an economy in which value
> > increasingly is embodied in ideas rather than tangible capital?"
> > Greenspan asked.
> >
> > A copy of Greenspan's remarks was distributed in Washington.
> >
> > Among the thorny issues raised by intellectual property rights is
how
> to
> > define precisely what should be legally protected by a copyright or
> > patent.
> >
> > The evolution of the Internet into a communications tool that people
> use
> > at home and at work has raised intellectual property rights issues
> > concerning musicians, movie makers and others in the new digital
> world.
> >
> > "Ownership of physical property is capable of being defended by
> police,
> > the militia or private mercenaries," Greenspan said. "Ownership of
> ideas
> > is far less easily protected."
> >
> > In his speech, Greenspan did not talk about the current state of the
> > economy or discuss the future course of interest rate policy.
> >
> > Greenspan and his Fed colleagues last month decided to hold interest
> > rates at a 41-year low of 1.25 percent, saying they would keep a
close
> > eye on economic developments surrounding the war.
> > --
> > __________________________
> > Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> > __________________________
> > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com
> >
> > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> > http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients
> > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories
> and
> > articles from around the net
> > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown
> > Brooklyn....
> >
> > 1-718-382-0585
> > ____________________________
> > NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > Fair Use -
> > because it's either fair use or useless....
> > NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
> >
> --
> __________________________
> Brooklyn Linux Solutions
> __________________________
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com
>
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
> http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories
and
> articles from around the net
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown
> Brooklyn....
>
> 1-718-382-0585
> To stop the messages from coming see
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/appl/fairuse/gone.html
> ____________________________
> New Yorkers for Fair Use -
> because it's either fair use or useless....
>
--
__________________________
Brooklyn Linux Solutions
__________________________
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com

http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and
articles from around the net
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown
Brooklyn....

1-718-382-0585
____________________________
NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc

  1. 2003-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: PR Sub-committees first challenge [Fwd: [wwwac] Sunday 13 April 2003 New Yorkers for Fair Use Meeting: Call for Participation]]
  2. 2003-04-11 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: PR Sub-committees first challenge [Fwd: [wwwac] Sunday 13 April 2003 New Yorkers for Fair Use Meeting: Call for Participation]]
  3. 2003-04-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: PR Sub-committees first challenge [Fwd: [wwwac] Sunday 13 April 2003 New Yorkers for Fair Use Meeting: Call for Participation]]
  4. 2003-04-10 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: PR Sub-committees first challenge [Fwd: [wwwac] Sunday 13 April 2003 New Yorkers for Fair Use Meeting: Call for Participation]]
  5. 2003-04-09 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] PR Sub-committees first challenge [Fwd: [wwwac] Sunday 13 April 2003 New Yorkers for Fair Use Meeting: Call for Participation]]
  6. 2003-04-09 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] PR Sub-committees first challenge [Fwd: [wwwac]
  7. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR Sub-committees first challenge [Fwd: [wwwac] Sunday 13 April 2003 New Yorkers for Fair Use Meeting: Call for Participation]]
  8. 2003-04-09 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] PR Sub-committees first challenge [Fwd: [wwwac]
  9. 2003-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PR Sub-committees first challenge [Fwd: [wwwac] Sunday 13 April 2003 New Yorkers for Fair Use Meeting: Call for Participation]]
  10. 2003-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  11. 2003-04-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  12. 2003-04-08 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  13. 2003-04-08 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  14. 2003-04-08 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  15. 2003-04-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  16. 2003-04-08 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  17. 2003-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  18. 2003-04-08 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  19. 2003-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  20. 2003-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal Committee
  21. 2003-04-10 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Article
  22. 2003-04-10 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Article
  23. 2003-04-10 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PR Committee
  24. 2003-04-10 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Libarary
  25. 2003-04-10 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] For the PR Mill
  26. 2003-04-10 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] For the PR Mill
  27. 2003-04-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] For the PR Mill
  28. 2003-04-10 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] News article on iwon.com (fwd)
  29. 2003-04-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use - just a thought.
  30. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Committees for people to sign up for
  31. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Defeats Saddam Hussain
  32. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Apache 2.0 Web Seminar - Free Attendance [seminars-at-promo.covalent.net]
  33. 2003-04-09 jonathan <jonathan-at-staff.beliefnet.com> Subject: [hangout] parrot
  34. 2003-04-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Humorous but very Relevant Truths...
  35. 2003-04-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] test
  36. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article for the announcement
  37. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sometimes the good guys win
  38. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Press Release: NYLXS Free Software Learning Center and Internet Cafe
  39. 2003-04-09 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Press Release: NYLXS Free Software Learning Center and Internet Cafe
  40. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  41. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press Release: NYLXS Free Software Learning Center and Internet Cafe
  42. 2003-04-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] parrot
  43. 2003-04-09 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] We need a date for the education subcommitee soon
  44. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We need a date for the education subcommitee soon
  45. 2003-04-09 Bill Putney <bputney-at-effective-tech.com> Re: [hangout] Need someone to feed my parot for a week PLEASE
  46. 2003-04-09 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] We need a date for the education subcommitee soon
  47. 2003-04-09 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] PR Sub-committees first challenge
  48. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR Committee
  49. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need someone to feed my parot for a week PLEASE
  50. 2003-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA-Activists] Pre-emptive comment on "NY Fair Use" dispute
  51. 2003-04-09 Bill Putney <bputney-at-effective-tech.com> Re: [hangout] Need someone to feed my parot for a week PLEASE
  52. 2003-04-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] parrot
  53. 2003-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] parrot
  54. 2003-04-09 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] parrot
  55. 2003-04-09 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] SSH and SCP
  56. 2003-04-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Humorous but very Relevant Truths...
  57. 2003-04-09 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] perl script
  58. 2003-04-09 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] SSH and SCP
  59. 2003-04-09 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PR Committee
  60. 2003-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use
  61. 2003-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Explain:
  62. 2003-04-08 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] perl script
  63. 2003-04-08 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Output file MYSQL
  64. 2003-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Output file MYSQL
  65. 2003-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Output file MYSQL
  66. 2003-04-08 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Output file MYSQL
  67. 2003-04-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] In the Linux Loop - Computerworld Article
  68. 2003-04-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  69. 2003-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Need someone to feed my parot for a week PLEASE
  70. 2003-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Important privacy information
  71. 2003-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  72. 2003-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [draht-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: samba (SuSE-SA:2003:025)]
  73. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  74. 2003-04-07 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout]
  75. 2003-04-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Pattern Matching
  76. 2003-04-07 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  77. 2003-04-07 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  78. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RHN Errata Alert: Updated NetPBM packages fix multiple vulnerabilities [rhn-admin-at-rhn.redhat.com]
  79. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  80. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Pattern Matching
  81. 2003-04-07 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Pattern Matching
  82. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  83. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  84. 2003-04-07 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  85. 2003-04-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  86. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  87. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD - U.S. military helps fund Calgary hacker
  88. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD - U.S. military helps fund Calgary hacker
  89. 2003-04-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenBSD - U.S. military helps fund Calgary hacker
  90. 2003-04-06 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] yahoo messenger
  91. 2003-04-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  92. 2003-04-06 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  93. 2003-04-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IP Study Group
  94. 2003-04-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  95. 2003-04-06 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  96. 2003-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] More Economic of Copyright: Row Row Row Your boat
  97. 2003-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Economic of Copyright: Row Row Row Your boat
  98. 2003-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Greenspan on Copyright
  99. 2003-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Greenspan on Copyright
  100. 2003-04-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I need a favor:
  101. 2003-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New NYLXS Classroom Space, and Full Time Internet Cafe?
  102. 2003-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [fairuse] Sueing Students:RIAA]
  103. 2003-04-05 phantom21-at-mindspring.com Subject: [hangout] Where to find Linux Format
  104. 2003-04-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh - This is wonderful- Mr Wynkoop is crawling the system again
  105. 2003-04-04 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] perl script
  106. 2003-04-04 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] for all you ogg folks
  107. 2003-04-04 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS education committee
  108. 2003-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  109. 2003-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press
  110. 2003-04-03 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  111. 2003-04-03 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  112. 2003-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  113. 2003-04-03 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  114. 2003-04-02 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] [marco-at-nylxs.com: First meeting of the new government]
  115. 2003-04-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] [marco-at-nylxs.com: First meeting of the new governme nt]
  116. 2003-04-02 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] [marco-at-nylxs.com: First meeting of the new government]
  117. 2003-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] War is in question
  118. 2003-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Government Contracts
  119. 2003-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Google Ratings
  120. 2003-04-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Anyone in town now?
  121. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone in town now?
  122. 2003-04-01 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Graphics in the Consule
  123. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Graphics in the Consule
  124. 2003-04-01 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Macro steps down
  125. 2003-04-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] FYI
  126. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Meeting recap from last night
  127. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA Testimony
  128. 2003-04-01 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] General Member Meeting - R&M
  129. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Iraq and Anti-Semitism
  130. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FYI
  131. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [niielpxbkv-tgfaidlhpt-at-eJlIBpa.com: Microsoft Security Update]
  132. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  133. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Happy Birthday
  134. 2003-04-01 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  135. 2003-04-01 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Birthday
  136. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Enum Columns
  137. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,79911,00.html
  138. 2003-04-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  139. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  140. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  141. 2003-04-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  142. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  143. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  144. 2003-04-01 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  145. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [draht-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: sendmail (SuSE-SA:2003:023)]
  146. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] installed new
  147. 2003-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  148. 2003-04-01 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Subject: [hangout] Windows to release code
  149. 2003-04-01 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] using linux in schools
  150. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS General Membership Meeting
  151. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Wrist hurts
  152. 2003-04-30 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] My Wrist hurts
  153. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Joe MAffia's Article
  154. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] My Wrist hurts
  155. 2003-04-30 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] School Board Propsal: Web Portal?
  156. 2003-04-30 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] School Board Propsal: Web Portal?
  157. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Board Propsal: Web Portal?
  158. 2003-04-30 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] First Pass on a new article for the Journal
  159. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Board Propsal: Web Portal?
  160. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] School Board Propsal: Web Portal?
  161. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] First Pass on a new article for the Journal
  162. 2003-04-30 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Resource for Education Initiatives
  163. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] request for services: web site/hosting
  164. 2003-04-30 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] request for services: web site/hosting
  165. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Demo possibility
  166. 2003-04-30 Phil Gengler <phil-at-codeallday.com> Subject: [hangout] FTC Spam Forum
  167. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] School Board Proposal
  168. 2003-04-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Draft
  169. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linux education
  170. 2003-04-30 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> RE: [hangout] Draft
  171. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [fairuse] May Second Washington DC [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  172. 2003-04-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Draft
  173. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Draft
  174. 2003-04-29 Phil Gengler <phil-at-codeallday.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Draft
  175. 2003-04-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Draft
  176. 2003-04-29 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Draft
  177. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] flyers
  178. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Test Email
  179. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Test Email
  180. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Test Email
  181. 2003-04-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Test Email
  182. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington Schedule
  183. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] RE: [hangout] May DMCA Hearing Schedules
  184. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: help with journal
  185. 2003-04-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] flyers
  186. 2003-04-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Tech swap meet / flea market in new york?]
  187. 2003-04-29 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] flyers
  188. 2003-04-28 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Subject: [hangout] Joseph Maffia: Hooked on Linux
  189. 2003-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyers?
  190. 2003-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 19 Monitors
  191. 2003-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  192. 2003-04-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show ?
  193. 2003-04-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Monitors?
  194. 2003-04-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show ?
  195. 2003-04-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Educating HS Students
  196. 2003-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show tonight?
  197. 2003-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Phone is up
  198. 2003-04-27 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  199. 2003-04-27 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  200. 2003-04-27 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Media Database
  201. 2003-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Phones are out
  202. 2003-04-26 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Media Database
  203. 2003-04-26 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] power cords
  204. 2003-04-25 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylug-talk] [From NY Fair Use Mailing List] Linus on DRM
  205. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Library
  206. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  207. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  208. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Publicity
  209. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  210. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Free Software business expo plans
  211. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] 19" Monitors for Kings Games
  212. 2003-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ask-at-develooper.com: Re: [jobs-discuss] Rejecting because of salary
  213. 2003-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Legal Advise: NY Fair Use
  214. 2003-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institution: New 2 Week Daytime program
  215. 2003-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Hardware Recycle Initiative
  216. 2003-04-25 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY no call list.
  217. 2003-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS: Radio Show this week
  218. 2003-04-25 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS: Radio Show this week
  219. 2003-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software business expo plans
  220. 2003-04-25 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] 19" Monitors for Kings Games
  221. 2003-04-25 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software business expo plans
  222. 2003-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Journal
  223. 2003-04-25 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 19" Monitors for Kings Games
  224. 2003-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly Installfests
  225. 2003-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Recycling Initiative
  226. 2003-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software business expo plans
  227. 2003-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS: Radio Show this week
  228. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] 19" Monitors for Kings Games
  229. 2003-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  230. 2003-04-24 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone disposing 14 or 15" broken monitors, save pedestals cords 4 NYLXS
  231. 2003-04-24 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 19" Monitors for Kings Games
  232. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  233. 2003-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Laywer - NY Fair Use
  234. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Classes announced on NewsForge...ummm
  235. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lost oppurtunities in our back yard
  236. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lost oppurtunities in our back yard
  237. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  238. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  239. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  240. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  241. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Censorship of FS advocates in the marketplace
  242. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Next Victem
  243. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  244. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  245. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  246. 2003-04-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  247. 2003-04-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  248. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  249. 2003-04-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  250. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  251. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  252. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  253. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  254. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  255. 2003-04-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Issues
  256. 2003-04-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  257. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  258. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  259. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linus on DRM
  260. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linus on DRM
  261. 2003-04-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  262. 2003-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: Ruben's mailbomb tactics
  263. 2003-04-24 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Linus on DRM
  264. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Grepping body of message [multimedia-fan-at-myrealbox.com]
  265. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  266. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Ruben's mailbomb tactics
  267. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Ruben's mailbomb tactics
  268. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: Ruben's mailbomb tactics
  269. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  270. 2003-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] Re: [hangout] Fwd: Reminder to eligible training providers regarding new website
  271. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Ruben's mailbomb tactics
  272. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  273. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Ruben's mailbomb tactics
  274. 2003-04-24 From: "'Marco Scoffier'" <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  275. 2003-04-24 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  276. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  277. 2003-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  278. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Reminder to eligible training providers regarding new website
  279. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Reminder to eligible training providers regarding new website [Christine.Steenburgh-at-Labor.State.Ny.Us]
  280. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  281. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  282. 2003-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [html-at-ssc.com: SuitWatch - April 24]
  283. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Two HD
  284. 2003-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: KDE (SuSE-SA:2003:026)]
  285. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  286. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  287. 2003-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  288. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  289. 2003-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  290. 2003-04-24 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] WindowsRefund.net - Toshiba update and request
  291. 2003-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  292. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  293. 2003-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  294. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Two HD
  295. 2003-04-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Two HD
  296. 2003-04-23 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Two HD
  297. 2003-04-23 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] suse 8.2
  298. 2003-04-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] suse 8.2
  299. 2003-04-23 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Two HD
  300. 2003-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYFU NYACSH BLEH
  301. 2003-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYFU NYACSH BLEH
  302. 2003-04-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] NYFU NYACSH BLEH
  303. 2003-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYFU NYACSH BLEH
  304. 2003-04-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] NYFU NYACSH BLEH
  305. 2003-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] April 28th Meeting for NY Fair Use: PLEASE ATTEND
  306. 2003-04-23 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] April 28th Meeting for NY Fair Use: PLEASE ATTEND
  307. 2003-04-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] April 28th Meeting for NY Fair Use: PLEASE ATTEND
  308. 2003-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Installation
  309. 2003-04-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] bank account
  310. 2003-04-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] space
  311. 2003-04-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Tonight
  312. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell/Linux
  313. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Tonight
  314. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Have Fun
  315. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tonight
  316. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Tonight
  317. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Monitors
  318. 2003-04-22 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Re: [hangout] Monitors
  319. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Monitors
  320. 2003-04-22 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] Monitors
  321. 2003-04-22 nylxsdoer <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  322. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Copyright Office Accepting Comments About SoundExchange
  323. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Library
  324. 2003-04-22 Phil Gengler <phil-at-codeallday.com> Subject: [hangout] Copyright Office Accepting Comments About SoundExchange
  325. 2003-04-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Library
  326. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Library
  327. 2003-04-22 Jeremy Hogan <jhogan-at-redhat.com> Re: (fwd) Re: [hangout] Microsoft speeds up "Open Source" campaign
  328. 2003-04-22 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Microsoft speeds up "Open Source" campaign
  329. 2003-04-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Library
  330. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: classes?
  331. 2003-04-22 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: (fwd) Re: [hangout] Microsoft speeds up "Open Source" campaign
  332. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: DMCA Testimony [1201-at-loc.gov]
  333. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  334. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  335. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use
  336. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Open House
  337. 2003-04-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Open House
  338. 2003-04-22 nylxsdoer <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  339. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use
  340. 2003-04-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  341. 2003-04-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Open House
  342. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use
  343. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use
  344. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  345. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  346. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use
  347. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  348. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Open House
  349. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  350. 2003-04-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  351. 2003-04-22 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  352. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  353. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  354. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  355. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  356. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  357. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  358. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  359. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR Meeting
  360. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House
  361. 2003-04-22 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Open House
  362. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House
  363. 2003-04-22 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House
  364. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Class Schedule
  365. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Class Schedule
  366. 2003-04-21 nylxsdoer <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  367. 2003-04-21 From: "'Marco Scoffier'" <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] have boxes need monitors
  368. 2003-04-21 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] have boxes need monitors
  369. 2003-04-21 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Galeon Troubles GLIBC
  370. 2003-04-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] Possible Contract (Significant)] (fwd)
  371. 2003-04-21 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Recruiter - HOT Pharmaceutical Advertising Agency - NJ - 4 openings] (fwd)
  372. 2003-04-21 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] Possible Contract (Significant)] (fwd)
  373. 2003-04-21 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  374. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  375. 2003-04-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: for Linux Journal
  376. 2003-04-21 Egan Orion <egan.orion-at-theinquirer.net> Re: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  377. 2003-04-21 Arron Rouse <arron.rouse-at-theinquirer.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  378. 2003-04-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  379. 2003-04-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  380. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  381. 2003-04-21 Egan Orion <egan.orion-at-theinquirer.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  382. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  383. 2003-04-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Shared Secrets MS and Free Software
  384. 2003-04-21 Egan Orion <egan.orion-at-theinquirer.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  385. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  386. 2003-04-21 From: "Mike Magee" <mike.magee-at-theinquirer.net> Subject: [hangout] RE: Shared Secrets MS and Free Software
  387. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  388. 2003-04-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Shared Secrets MS and Free Software
  389. 2003-04-21 From: "Mike Magee" <mike.magee-at-theinquirer.net> Subject: [hangout] RE: You are spreading disinformation
  390. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  391. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Galeon Troubles GLIBC
  392. 2003-04-21 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] have boxes need monitors
  393. 2003-04-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] have boxes need monitors
  394. 2003-04-21 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] have boxes need monitors
  395. 2003-04-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware Troubles
  396. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  397. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware Troubles
  398. 2003-04-21 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Troubles
  399. 2003-04-21 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Microsoft speeds up "Open Source" campaign
  400. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  401. 2003-04-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] PR Meeting
  402. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR Meeting
  403. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Microsoft speeds up "Open Source" campaign
  404. 2003-04-21 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  405. 2003-04-21 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR Meeting
  406. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR Meeting
  407. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jill-at-ssc.com: for Linux Journal]
  408. 2003-04-20 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Subject: [hangout] Re: linux class?
  409. 2003-04-19 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] where one the server is the journal?
  410. 2003-04-17 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ms product activation causes millions of hours of lost productivity?
  411. 2003-04-17 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft speeds up "Open Source" campaign
  412. 2003-04-17 Phil Gengler <phil-at-codeallday.com> Re: [hangout] May DMCA Hearing Schedules
  413. 2003-04-17 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] May DMCA Hearing Schedules
  414. 2003-04-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] May DMCA Hearing Schedules
  415. 2003-04-17 Phil Gengler <phil-at-codeallday.com> Subject: [hangout] May DMCA Hearing Schedules
  416. 2003-04-16 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Article
  417. 2003-04-16 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Article
  418. 2003-04-16 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] Libarary Meeting
  419. 2003-04-15 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Libarary Meeting
  420. 2003-04-15 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR Meeting
  421. 2003-04-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] PR Meeting
  422. 2003-04-15 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] PR Meeting
  423. 2003-04-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] copyright website (fwd)
  424. 2003-04-14 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] copyright website (fwd)
  425. 2003-04-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Classes Canceled this week
  426. 2003-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Education Initiative Committee Report
  427. 2003-04-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] eprom burning
  428. 2003-04-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] eprom burning
  429. 2003-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] eprom burning
  430. 2003-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Educational meeting today
  431. 2003-04-13 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Educational meeting today
  432. 2003-04-13 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Educational meeting today
  433. 2003-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Glipse of the Future of Music
  434. 2003-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Juicey Target for NYACSH
  435. 2003-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  436. 2003-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Equiptment on NYLUG
  437. 2003-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Article
  438. 2003-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] From The Linux Journal - Linux is ready for Enteprise Desktops
  439. 2003-04-11 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) HB 2892 (Oregon)
  440. 2003-04-11 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Article
  441. 2003-04-11 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Article
  442. 2003-04-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Shock and Awe - Trademark by Sony
  443. 2003-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [linux-elitists] AOL says goodbye to AT&T/Comcast and residential mail spools
  444. 2003-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [linux-elitists] AOL says goodbye to AT&T/Comcast and residential mail spools [ajs-at-ajs.com]
  445. 2003-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Best of CrackMonkey
  446. 2003-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CrackMonkey Specials
  447. 2003-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [!CrackMonkey!] Why isn't this spam?
  448. 2003-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [!CrackMonkey!] Why isn't this spam?

NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!