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MESSAGE
DATE 2003-04-24
FROM Dave Williams
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Re: Issues

Good idea. I'll post this to hangout. Hopefully others will have some
thoughts on how to break through any cultural problems with the schools.

By the way, I did call last night when I got in. I can prove it: You
have a twenty second answering machine message.

- Dave

On Thu, 2003-04-24 at 16:03, Ruben I Safir wrote:
> Thoughts:
>
> Send this to hangout?
>
> I'm glad you back. I was getting bored. Call me.
>
> Ruben
>
> On 2003.04.24 15:57 Dave Williams wrote:
> > Hi Marco -
> >
> > After doing a little research I came across several discussions
> > regarding Free Software in schools and governments. One item that I
> > find useful is someone's short list of reasons FS/OSS should be used:
> >
> > "1. Good chance at finding a cheaper solution for the initial
> > implementation.
> > 2. Good chance at finding a more secure solution.
> > 3. The solution would be maintainable, and free to upgrade to meet
> > future technologies.
> > 4. No source code is hidden from you.
> > 5. If they decide not to use an evaluated OSS solution then the
> > resulting report could greatly benefit that OSS project's future.
> > 6. If an OSS solution is decided on, it will bring that OSS project
> > further into the public for others to consider using.
> > 7. The more OSS solutions that organizations are aware of and implement,
> > the more organizations that will be aware of and implement them as a
> > compounding result.
> > 8. Future change: If something is free, you aren't held back from
> > changing because of all the money you already dumped into it. And you
> > most likely wouldn't get involved in a platform that was designed to
> > lock you into it with no escape (Microsoft), so you'd have a better
> > chance at changing in the future as well.
> > 9. Opaqueness of data, which is a much more important issue."
> >
> > A couple of interesting threads describe why schools aren't interested
> > in such ventures. For example:
> >
> > "They don't think anything is good if you can't pay for it.
> >
> > "The problem with OSS as far as government/schools are concerned is that
> > when you have a company that makes the software, hardware, buildings,
> > etc., you have somebody a) at the other end of the phone line and b)
> > someone to sue. If you don't think that is important, you're mistaken.
> > Governments and schools do not want to be accountable. These people want
> > to be able to blame someone for something. They don't want the
> > responsibility. With OSS, even say Red Hat or SuSE, are you gonna sue
> > them or call them when something goes wrong? Yes, I know you get support
> > contracts. But it ain't the same.
> >
> > "Using OSS requires taking risks. These people won't do it. It is so
> > much easier to 'just use Microsoft'. You can't be faulted for making a
> > 'bad decision'. But if you choose to go with OSS and it has even 1/10
> > the problems of Microsoft's 'solutions' you get your ass fried. Please
> > remember some of the problems with public procurement:
> >
> > 1) If you get $100 and spend $105 you demonstrated a need.
> > 2) If you get $100 and spend $85 next year you get $75, since you don't
> > need it, and the schmuck who overspent gets your chunk.
> > 3) It isn't you're money, so you don't care.
> > 4) Typically your purchasing decisions will reflect upon your
> > higher-ups, whose recommendations you need to advance.
> > 5) Cheaper is better most of the time. If you get 20 of item A for $100
> > and 25 of item B for $100 then B is the better choice. But if you get 30
> > OSS items for $0, see rule #1.
> >
> > "My father spent thirty years selling, and schools and governments were
> > among his clients. They were notorious for doing this: They'd see his
> > competitors crap, buy it, and when it broke, he'd sell them a better
> > system. So the purchasing agent got to 1) buy more for less, 2) blame a
> > company for product problems, 3) get credit for solving the problem, and
> > 4) get a bigger budget next year.
> >
> > "You think I'm full of shit? How I wish I was. If you have never spent
> > any time in schools (I have) or government, you are missing quite a
> > learning experience. It is no surprise that OSS is not widely adopted in
> > public service."
> >
> > Another more obvious point follows:
> >
> > "I am a teacher, and I think I can give you some insight. Software
> > companies see schools and students like drug dealers do. They will damn
> > near give away their software because if you get 'hooked' on their
> > stuff, when you leave you only know their software. At the district
> > level people only see the supposed great deal they get. In our district
> > some of the technidiots have gone to Microsoft seminars and come home
> > with all sorts of freebies. It's like freaking Halloween! They are not
> > going to be the ones that suggest OSS when they lose their sugar daddy.
> > Most school tech people are bottom of the barrel. For instance I run
> > Linux in my classroom, and the technidiots can't figure out how I can
> > access the Internet or my Novell network shares from Linux, since
> > 'Novell doesn't support Linux'. Districts can't pay going wages, so they
> > get those least able to find jobs in the private sector.
> >
> > "Something else, too: They just don't know Linux and don't want to. They
> > have no need to save the district money nor do they have any need or
> > desire to improve their skills. School district jobs are permanent jobs.
> > They don't want to rock the boat. If the district dared move to Linux
> > they'd be out of work or would have to retool their skills. They want
> > neither. I could go on with endless stories but I won't bore you. Keep
> > up the fight, and take it to your school board. Here's what you do: Find
> > just one area that OSS can do more for less. It shouldn't be too hard.
> > Present it to the school board. They have their meetings open to the
> > public. These people are elected. They care about votes. If they can say
> > they saved money and improved __________ (fill in the blank) let them
> > get the credit and you'll be more successful. For instance, give them
> > examples where this "Linux thing" has been adopted by companies, to show
> > that it is a viable, powerful, etc., solution."
> >
> > I don't know how applicable these impressions are to the Concord system,
> > but any proposal we put together should probably address whichever
> > concerns we think are most likely to be involved.
> >
> > Having met to decide that we need proposals is useful, but suffers from
> > the same problem all meetings have: It's useful for larger plans but not
> > very good at determining specifics. I would find it helpful if we could
> > get some feedback going on that might hone in on precise strategies.
> > That way the document could go from being a generic business proposal
> > written in empty corporate buzzwords to something specific that would be
> > ridiculous to reject.
> >
> > I know things have been busy for you recently, but any thoughts would be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > - Dave
> >
> >

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  10. 2003-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  11. 2003-04-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  12. 2003-04-08 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  13. 2003-04-08 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  14. 2003-04-08 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  15. 2003-04-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  16. 2003-04-08 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  17. 2003-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  18. 2003-04-08 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  19. 2003-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting April 7th, 2003: Minutes
  20. 2003-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal Committee
  21. 2003-04-10 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Article
  22. 2003-04-10 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Article
  23. 2003-04-10 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PR Committee
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  28. 2003-04-10 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] News article on iwon.com (fwd)
  29. 2003-04-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use - just a thought.
  30. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Committees for people to sign up for
  31. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Defeats Saddam Hussain
  32. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Apache 2.0 Web Seminar - Free Attendance [seminars-at-promo.covalent.net]
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  39. 2003-04-09 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Press Release: NYLXS Free Software Learning Center and Internet Cafe
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  41. 2003-04-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press Release: NYLXS Free Software Learning Center and Internet Cafe
  42. 2003-04-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] parrot
  43. 2003-04-09 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] We need a date for the education subcommitee soon
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  64. 2003-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Output file MYSQL
  65. 2003-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Output file MYSQL
  66. 2003-04-08 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Output file MYSQL
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  70. 2003-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Important privacy information
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  77. 2003-04-07 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  78. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RHN Errata Alert: Updated NetPBM packages fix multiple vulnerabilities [rhn-admin-at-rhn.redhat.com]
  79. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  80. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Pattern Matching
  81. 2003-04-07 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Pattern Matching
  82. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  83. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  84. 2003-04-07 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  85. 2003-04-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  86. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  87. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD - U.S. military helps fund Calgary hacker
  88. 2003-04-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] OpenBSD - U.S. military helps fund Calgary hacker
  89. 2003-04-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenBSD - U.S. military helps fund Calgary hacker
  90. 2003-04-06 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] yahoo messenger
  91. 2003-04-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  92. 2003-04-06 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
  93. 2003-04-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IP Study Group
  94. 2003-04-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Metro Card Programming
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  96. 2003-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] More Economic of Copyright: Row Row Row Your boat
  97. 2003-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Economic of Copyright: Row Row Row Your boat
  98. 2003-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Greenspan on Copyright
  99. 2003-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Greenspan on Copyright
  100. 2003-04-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I need a favor:
  101. 2003-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New NYLXS Classroom Space, and Full Time Internet Cafe?
  102. 2003-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [fairuse] Sueing Students:RIAA]
  103. 2003-04-05 phantom21-at-mindspring.com Subject: [hangout] Where to find Linux Format
  104. 2003-04-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh - This is wonderful- Mr Wynkoop is crawling the system again
  105. 2003-04-04 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] perl script
  106. 2003-04-04 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] for all you ogg folks
  107. 2003-04-04 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS education committee
  108. 2003-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  109. 2003-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press
  110. 2003-04-03 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  111. 2003-04-03 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  112. 2003-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  113. 2003-04-03 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  114. 2003-04-02 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] [marco-at-nylxs.com: First meeting of the new government]
  115. 2003-04-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] [marco-at-nylxs.com: First meeting of the new governme nt]
  116. 2003-04-02 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] [marco-at-nylxs.com: First meeting of the new government]
  117. 2003-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] War is in question
  118. 2003-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Government Contracts
  119. 2003-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Google Ratings
  120. 2003-04-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Anyone in town now?
  121. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone in town now?
  122. 2003-04-01 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Graphics in the Consule
  123. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Graphics in the Consule
  124. 2003-04-01 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Macro steps down
  125. 2003-04-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] FYI
  126. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Meeting recap from last night
  127. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA Testimony
  128. 2003-04-01 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] General Member Meeting - R&M
  129. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Iraq and Anti-Semitism
  130. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FYI
  131. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [niielpxbkv-tgfaidlhpt-at-eJlIBpa.com: Microsoft Security Update]
  132. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  133. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Happy Birthday
  134. 2003-04-01 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  135. 2003-04-01 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Birthday
  136. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Enum Columns
  137. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,79911,00.html
  138. 2003-04-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  139. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  140. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  141. 2003-04-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  142. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  143. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  144. 2003-04-01 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  145. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [draht-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: sendmail (SuSE-SA:2003:023)]
  146. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] installed new
  147. 2003-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows to release code
  148. 2003-04-01 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Subject: [hangout] Windows to release code
  149. 2003-04-01 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] using linux in schools
  150. 2003-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS General Membership Meeting
  151. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Wrist hurts
  152. 2003-04-30 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] My Wrist hurts
  153. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Joe MAffia's Article
  154. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] My Wrist hurts
  155. 2003-04-30 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] School Board Propsal: Web Portal?
  156. 2003-04-30 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] School Board Propsal: Web Portal?
  157. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Board Propsal: Web Portal?
  158. 2003-04-30 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] First Pass on a new article for the Journal
  159. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Board Propsal: Web Portal?
  160. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] School Board Propsal: Web Portal?
  161. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] First Pass on a new article for the Journal
  162. 2003-04-30 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Resource for Education Initiatives
  163. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] request for services: web site/hosting
  164. 2003-04-30 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] request for services: web site/hosting
  165. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Demo possibility
  166. 2003-04-30 Phil Gengler <phil-at-codeallday.com> Subject: [hangout] FTC Spam Forum
  167. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] School Board Proposal
  168. 2003-04-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Draft
  169. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linux education
  170. 2003-04-30 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> RE: [hangout] Draft
  171. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [fairuse] May Second Washington DC [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  172. 2003-04-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Draft
  173. 2003-04-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Draft
  174. 2003-04-29 Phil Gengler <phil-at-codeallday.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Draft
  175. 2003-04-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Draft
  176. 2003-04-29 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Draft
  177. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] flyers
  178. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Test Email
  179. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Test Email
  180. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Test Email
  181. 2003-04-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Test Email
  182. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington Schedule
  183. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] RE: [hangout] May DMCA Hearing Schedules
  184. 2003-04-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: help with journal
  185. 2003-04-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] flyers
  186. 2003-04-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Tech swap meet / flea market in new york?]
  187. 2003-04-29 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] flyers
  188. 2003-04-28 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Subject: [hangout] Joseph Maffia: Hooked on Linux
  189. 2003-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyers?
  190. 2003-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 19 Monitors
  191. 2003-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  192. 2003-04-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show ?
  193. 2003-04-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Monitors?
  194. 2003-04-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show ?
  195. 2003-04-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Educating HS Students
  196. 2003-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show tonight?
  197. 2003-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Phone is up
  198. 2003-04-27 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  199. 2003-04-27 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  200. 2003-04-27 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Media Database
  201. 2003-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Phones are out
  202. 2003-04-26 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Media Database
  203. 2003-04-26 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] power cords
  204. 2003-04-25 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylug-talk] [From NY Fair Use Mailing List] Linus on DRM
  205. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Library
  206. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  207. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  208. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Publicity
  209. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  210. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Free Software business expo plans
  211. 2003-04-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] 19" Monitors for Kings Games
  212. 2003-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ask-at-develooper.com: Re: [jobs-discuss] Rejecting because of salary
  213. 2003-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Legal Advise: NY Fair Use
  214. 2003-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institution: New 2 Week Daytime program
  215. 2003-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Hardware Recycle Initiative
  216. 2003-04-25 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY no call list.
  217. 2003-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS: Radio Show this week
  218. 2003-04-25 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS: Radio Show this week
  219. 2003-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software business expo plans
  220. 2003-04-25 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] 19" Monitors for Kings Games
  221. 2003-04-25 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software business expo plans
  222. 2003-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Journal
  223. 2003-04-25 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 19" Monitors for Kings Games
  224. 2003-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly Installfests
  225. 2003-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Recycling Initiative
  226. 2003-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software business expo plans
  227. 2003-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS: Radio Show this week
  228. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] 19" Monitors for Kings Games
  229. 2003-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  230. 2003-04-24 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Anyone disposing 14 or 15" broken monitors, save pedestals cords 4 NYLXS
  231. 2003-04-24 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 19" Monitors for Kings Games
  232. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  233. 2003-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Laywer - NY Fair Use
  234. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Classes announced on NewsForge...ummm
  235. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lost oppurtunities in our back yard
  236. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lost oppurtunities in our back yard
  237. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  238. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  239. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  240. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  241. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Censorship of FS advocates in the marketplace
  242. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Next Victem
  243. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  244. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  245. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  246. 2003-04-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  247. 2003-04-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  248. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  249. 2003-04-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  250. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  251. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  252. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Issues
  253. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  254. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  255. 2003-04-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Issues
  256. 2003-04-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  257. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linus arrested today
  258. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  259. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linus on DRM
  260. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linus on DRM
  261. 2003-04-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  262. 2003-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: Ruben's mailbomb tactics
  263. 2003-04-24 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Linus on DRM
  264. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Grepping body of message [multimedia-fan-at-myrealbox.com]
  265. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board of Ed stuff
  266. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Ruben's mailbomb tactics
  267. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Ruben's mailbomb tactics
  268. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: Ruben's mailbomb tactics
  269. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  270. 2003-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] Re: [hangout] Fwd: Reminder to eligible training providers regarding new website
  271. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Ruben's mailbomb tactics
  272. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  273. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Ruben's mailbomb tactics
  274. 2003-04-24 From: "'Marco Scoffier'" <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  275. 2003-04-24 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  276. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  277. 2003-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Monitors for Kings Games
  278. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Reminder to eligible training providers regarding new website
  279. 2003-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Reminder to eligible training providers regarding new website [Christine.Steenburgh-at-Labor.State.Ny.Us]
  280. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  281. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  282. 2003-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [html-at-ssc.com: SuitWatch - April 24]
  283. 2003-04-24 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Two HD
  284. 2003-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: KDE (SuSE-SA:2003:026)]
  285. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  286. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  287. 2003-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  288. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  289. 2003-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  290. 2003-04-24 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] WindowsRefund.net - Toshiba update and request
  291. 2003-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  292. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  293. 2003-04-24 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: Flyers
  294. 2003-04-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Two HD
  295. 2003-04-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Two HD
  296. 2003-04-23 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Two HD
  297. 2003-04-23 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] suse 8.2
  298. 2003-04-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] suse 8.2
  299. 2003-04-23 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Two HD
  300. 2003-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYFU NYACSH BLEH
  301. 2003-04-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYFU NYACSH BLEH
  302. 2003-04-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] NYFU NYACSH BLEH
  303. 2003-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYFU NYACSH BLEH
  304. 2003-04-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] NYFU NYACSH BLEH
  305. 2003-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] April 28th Meeting for NY Fair Use: PLEASE ATTEND
  306. 2003-04-23 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] April 28th Meeting for NY Fair Use: PLEASE ATTEND
  307. 2003-04-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] April 28th Meeting for NY Fair Use: PLEASE ATTEND
  308. 2003-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Installation
  309. 2003-04-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] bank account
  310. 2003-04-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] space
  311. 2003-04-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Tonight
  312. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell/Linux
  313. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Tonight
  314. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Have Fun
  315. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tonight
  316. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Tonight
  317. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Monitors
  318. 2003-04-22 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Re: [hangout] Monitors
  319. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Monitors
  320. 2003-04-22 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] Monitors
  321. 2003-04-22 nylxsdoer <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  322. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Copyright Office Accepting Comments About SoundExchange
  323. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Library
  324. 2003-04-22 Phil Gengler <phil-at-codeallday.com> Subject: [hangout] Copyright Office Accepting Comments About SoundExchange
  325. 2003-04-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Library
  326. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Library
  327. 2003-04-22 Jeremy Hogan <jhogan-at-redhat.com> Re: (fwd) Re: [hangout] Microsoft speeds up "Open Source" campaign
  328. 2003-04-22 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Microsoft speeds up "Open Source" campaign
  329. 2003-04-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Library
  330. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: classes?
  331. 2003-04-22 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: (fwd) Re: [hangout] Microsoft speeds up "Open Source" campaign
  332. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: DMCA Testimony [1201-at-loc.gov]
  333. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  334. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  335. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use
  336. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Open House
  337. 2003-04-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Open House
  338. 2003-04-22 nylxsdoer <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  339. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use
  340. 2003-04-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  341. 2003-04-22 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Open House
  342. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use
  343. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use
  344. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  345. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  346. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use
  347. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  348. 2003-04-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Open House
  349. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  350. 2003-04-22 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  351. 2003-04-22 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Marketing] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  352. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  353. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  354. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  355. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  356. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  357. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  358. 2003-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [jdave23-at-express56.com: [hangout] Article]
  359. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR Meeting
  360. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House
  361. 2003-04-22 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Open House
  362. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House
  363. 2003-04-22 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House
  364. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Class Schedule
  365. 2003-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Class Schedule
  366. 2003-04-21 nylxsdoer <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  367. 2003-04-21 From: "'Marco Scoffier'" <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] have boxes need monitors
  368. 2003-04-21 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] have boxes need monitors
  369. 2003-04-21 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Galeon Troubles GLIBC
  370. 2003-04-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] Possible Contract (Significant)] (fwd)
  371. 2003-04-21 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Recruiter - HOT Pharmaceutical Advertising Agency - NJ - 4 openings] (fwd)
  372. 2003-04-21 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] Possible Contract (Significant)] (fwd)
  373. 2003-04-21 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  374. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  375. 2003-04-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: for Linux Journal
  376. 2003-04-21 Egan Orion <egan.orion-at-theinquirer.net> Re: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  377. 2003-04-21 Arron Rouse <arron.rouse-at-theinquirer.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  378. 2003-04-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  379. 2003-04-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  380. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  381. 2003-04-21 Egan Orion <egan.orion-at-theinquirer.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  382. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  383. 2003-04-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Shared Secrets MS and Free Software
  384. 2003-04-21 Egan Orion <egan.orion-at-theinquirer.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  385. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  386. 2003-04-21 From: "Mike Magee" <mike.magee-at-theinquirer.net> Subject: [hangout] RE: Shared Secrets MS and Free Software
  387. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  388. 2003-04-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Shared Secrets MS and Free Software
  389. 2003-04-21 From: "Mike Magee" <mike.magee-at-theinquirer.net> Subject: [hangout] RE: You are spreading disinformation
  390. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  391. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Galeon Troubles GLIBC
  392. 2003-04-21 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] have boxes need monitors
  393. 2003-04-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] have boxes need monitors
  394. 2003-04-21 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] have boxes need monitors
  395. 2003-04-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Hardware Troubles
  396. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  397. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware Troubles
  398. 2003-04-21 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Troubles
  399. 2003-04-21 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Microsoft speeds up "Open Source" campaign
  400. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: You are spreading disinformation
  401. 2003-04-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] PR Meeting
  402. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR Meeting
  403. 2003-04-21 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Microsoft speeds up "Open Source" campaign
  404. 2003-04-21 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Do we want to take advange of this? (fwd)
  405. 2003-04-21 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR Meeting
  406. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR Meeting
  407. 2003-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jill-at-ssc.com: for Linux Journal]
  408. 2003-04-20 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Subject: [hangout] Re: linux class?
  409. 2003-04-19 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] where one the server is the journal?
  410. 2003-04-17 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ms product activation causes millions of hours of lost productivity?
  411. 2003-04-17 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft speeds up "Open Source" campaign
  412. 2003-04-17 Phil Gengler <phil-at-codeallday.com> Re: [hangout] May DMCA Hearing Schedules
  413. 2003-04-17 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] May DMCA Hearing Schedules
  414. 2003-04-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] May DMCA Hearing Schedules
  415. 2003-04-17 Phil Gengler <phil-at-codeallday.com> Subject: [hangout] May DMCA Hearing Schedules
  416. 2003-04-16 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Article
  417. 2003-04-16 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Article
  418. 2003-04-16 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] Libarary Meeting
  419. 2003-04-15 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Libarary Meeting
  420. 2003-04-15 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR Meeting
  421. 2003-04-15 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] PR Meeting
  422. 2003-04-15 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] PR Meeting
  423. 2003-04-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] copyright website (fwd)
  424. 2003-04-14 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] copyright website (fwd)
  425. 2003-04-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Classes Canceled this week
  426. 2003-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Education Initiative Committee Report
  427. 2003-04-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] eprom burning
  428. 2003-04-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] eprom burning
  429. 2003-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] eprom burning
  430. 2003-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Educational meeting today
  431. 2003-04-13 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Educational meeting today
  432. 2003-04-13 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Educational meeting today
  433. 2003-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Glipse of the Future of Music
  434. 2003-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Juicey Target for NYACSH
  435. 2003-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  436. 2003-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Equiptment on NYLUG
  437. 2003-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Article
  438. 2003-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] From The Linux Journal - Linux is ready for Enteprise Desktops
  439. 2003-04-11 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) HB 2892 (Oregon)
  440. 2003-04-11 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Article
  441. 2003-04-11 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Article
  442. 2003-04-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Shock and Awe - Trademark by Sony
  443. 2003-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [linux-elitists] AOL says goodbye to AT&T/Comcast and residential mail spools
  444. 2003-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [linux-elitists] AOL says goodbye to AT&T/Comcast and residential mail spools [ajs-at-ajs.com]
  445. 2003-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Best of CrackMonkey
  446. 2003-04-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CrackMonkey Specials
  447. 2003-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [!CrackMonkey!] Why isn't this spam?
  448. 2003-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [!CrackMonkey!] Why isn't this spam?

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