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DATE 2009-07-22
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worthless Dads
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On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 07:52:37AM -0700, Elfen Magix wrote:
> Notice- Brooke is a woman.
> Woman can be as worthless as mothers as some men are worthless as fathers.
> In fact, it is the actions of mothers that forces men to be worthless fathers to begin with- something that she does not mention at all.
>


Tell me about it. The worse thing for children is their divorced mother.


Ruben

> --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
>
> From: Ruben Safir
> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worthless Dads
> To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 9:35 PM
>
>
> Fathers & Families on CBS/HuffPost: ?Do Men Become Better or Worse
> Fathers After Divorce?? July 20th, 2009 by Glenn Sacks, MA, Executive
> Director
>
> Author Jill Brooke helped craft a CBS Early Show segment and wrote
> an article on the issue of fathering after divorce. Two Fathers &
> Families supporters and I are quoted in the article. I helped Brooke
> with some research and briefly appeared in the CBS segment.
>
> Brooke?s article is Do Men Become Better or Worse Fathers After
> Divorce? (Huffington Post, 7/17/09).
>
> Brooke?s thesis is, as professor Don Gordon explains, ?When a father
> is away from the stress of a failed marriage, he can be more relaxed
> and more reflective and as a result enjoy being more fully involved
> with his children.?
>
> She quotes CNBC anchor Dennis Kneale, who says divorce has made
> him ?vastly closer ? to his 9-year-old daughter Jing-Jing:
>
> ? ? In many families, mom is the center of everything and the
> ? ? husband is the supporting player. But with divorce, I have had
> ? ? more one on one time with her in ways I never did before.
>
> This can certainly be true, and some father-child relationships do
> improve after divorce. As a general rule, however, divorce is often
> what drives fathers and kids apart.
>
> Brooke writes:
>
> ? ? Technology has also helped prevent or reduce what is called
> ? ? parental alienation where in the past the residential parent
> ? ? may - consciously or unconsciously - block contact either out
> ? ? of her resentment towards the father or because she has remarried
> ? ? and is protecting the stepfather relationship.
>
> ? ? A study by J. Annette Vanini and Edward Nichols found that 77
> ? ? percent of noncustodial fathers faced some form of visitation
> ? ? interference.
>
> ? ? But now fathers can give their kids pre-paid cell phones to
> ? ? insure contact. Divorce contracts are also often written to
> ? ? permit contact through email accounts.
>
> ? ? Ted Rubin, a Huntington Long Island divorced dad to two girls,
> ? ? admits to using Facebook to keep in contact with his kids.
> ? ? ?Sometimes when we speak on the phone I can tell if Mom is
> ? ? standing there and then later my daughter will contact me on
> ? ? Facebook,? he said. ?A lot of Dads complain that moms could
> ? ? stand in the way of communication but now it?s almost impossible
> ? ? because kids are so tech savvy.?
>
> ? ? In fact, Rubin, who has a contentious divorce with his ex-wife,
> ? ? says that email helps divorced parents diminish ?the nastiness
> ? ? is our dialogues? which the kids would overhear on the phone.
> ? ? Now he can email what time he?s picking up the kids and delivering
> ? ? them without any verbal warfare??
>
> ? ? [R]esearch shows that the kids do like it when both parents
> ? ? are present.
>
> ? ? ?They have fewer behavior and emotional problems, higher
> ? ? self-esteem and better school performance than children in sole
> ? ? custody arrangements,? said Glenn Sacks, the National Executive
> ? ? Director of Fathers & Families. ?When researchers have examined
> ? ? children of divorce, and studied and queried adult children of
> ? ? divorce, they?ve found that most prefer joint custody and shared
> ? ? parenting.?
>
> ? ? For example, in one Arizona State University study of college
> ? ? students who experienced their parents? divorces while they
> ? ? were children, over two-thirds believe that living equal times
> ? ? with each parent is the best arrangement. A Harvard University
> ? ? study also confirmed that children in joint custody settings
> ? ? fared much better than kids living in sole custody households.
>
> ? ? While many men acknowledge progress, some still complain that
> ? ? the system treats fathers as second-class citizens when asking
> ? ? for more time with their children.
>
> ? ? As Gary Nicholson, the president of the American Association
> ? ? of Marital Attorneys, explains, part of the problem is that
> ? ? various state laws tie child support payments to the amount of
> ? ? time a father is with their child. Payments can be adjusted if
> ? ? the father spends as much as 100 nights with his child so many
> ? ? mothers resist giving 50-50 splits and are angered by the
> ? ? request.
>
> ? ? Said Nicholson, ?Are there folks who look at this economically
> ? ? and think if I have equal time I won?t have to pay as much
> ? ? child support? Yes. But the majority of dads want to be involved
> ? ? in their kid?s lives. They feel they should be equal partners.?
>
> Brook begins the piece by writing:
>
> ? ? If divorce is in the future of duplicitous two-timers Gov. Mark
> ? ? Sanford to reality TV?s Jon Gosselin, these men will have to
> ? ? navigate co-parenting. However, a growing trend shows that many
> ? ? men become better parents post-divorce, to the surprise of
> ? ? ex-wives who find it difficult to grasp that a man who wasn?t
> ? ? a good husband can indeed be a good father.
>
> One, comparing the average divorced dad to these two is like
> comparing the average married woman to the conniving, spoiled,
> manipulative women of Desperate Housewives?it?s hardly an accurate
> generalization. (I would also add that Gosselin?s wife Kate supposedly
> was cheating on him with her bodyguard?some back up that story
> while others say Gosselin began these rumors. I?d delve into it in
> greater detail but my interest in the subject wouldn?t warrant it.)
>
> Two, the line ?ex-wives who find it difficult to grasp that a man
> who wasn?t a good husband can indeed be a good father? and some of
> the lines in the CBS segment imply that when women decide to divorce
> their husbands, that means that they weren?t good husbands. While
> sometimes that is the case, it is at least as common for women to
> divorce their husbands because they?re too damn critical of them.
> In my Chicago Tribune column Men Blamed for Marriage Decline but
> Women?s Relationship Wounds Often Self-Inflicted (1/21/07) I wrote:
>
> ? ? To what, then, do we attribute women?s discontent with marriage
> ? ? and relationships, and the fact that they initiate the vast
> ? ? majority of divorces? A new Woman?s Day magazine poll found
> ? ? that 56% of married women would not or might not marry their
> ? ? husbands if they could choose again?why?
>
> ? ? Nobody would dispute that, in selecting a mate, women are more
> ? ? discerning than men. This is an evolutionary necessity?a woman
> ? ? must carefully evaluate who is likely to remain loyal to her
> ? ? and protect and provide for her and her children. If a man and
> ? ? a woman go on a blind date and don?t hit it off, the man will
> ? ? shrug and say ?it went OK.? The woman will give five reasons
> ? ? why he?s not right for her.
>
> ? ? A woman?s discerning, critical nature doesn?t disappear on her
> ? ? wedding day. Most marital problems and marriage counseling
> ? ? sessions revolve around why the wife is unhappy with her husband,
> ? ? even though they could just as easily be about why the husband
> ? ? is unhappy with the wife. In this common pre-divorce scenario
> ? ? there are only two possibilities-either she?s a great wife and
> ? ? he?s a lousy husband, or she?s far more critical of him than
> ? ? he is of her. Usually it?s the latter??
>
> ? ? Yes, there are some men who make poor mates, but not nearly
> ? ? enough to account for the divorce epidemic and the decline of
> ? ? marriage. While it?s easy and popular to blame men, many of
> ? ? the wounds women bear from failed relationships and loneliness
> ? ? are self-inflicted.
>
> A biblical saying is also applicable:
>
> ? ? Why do you observe the splinter in your brother?s eye and never
> ? ? notice the great log in your own? (Luke 6:41)
>
> Brooke writes:
>
> ? ? Take the example of Peter Giles. When Peter Giles? three
> ? ? daughters were toddlers, work consumed him at the expense of
> ? ? family life. The New York businessman would justify the absences
> ? ? as doing the right thing for his family since he was providing
> ? ? the financial womb while his wife was taking care of their
> ? ? other needs.
>
> ? ? What finally made him a better father? Getting a divorce.
>
> ? ? ?The divorce was such a shock and forced me to take stock of
> ? ? who I was and what success should look like,? said Giles, whose
> ? ? ex-wife Nancy Claus sought a divorce in 2001. ?I came to realize
> ? ? that I had been providing for my children but needed to be more
> ? ? to them. ?
>
> ? ? Like the majority of divorcing men today, Giles sought joint
> ? ? legal custody, which courts are more willing to grant since a
> ? ? federal study shows that men paid child support 90 percent of
> ? ? the time in comparison to less than 45 percent when the mother
> ? ? had sole custody.
>
> ? ? When his daughters visited, Giles morphed into a multi-tasker
> ? ? taking on chores previously done by his wife including cooking,
> ? ? buying cosmetics and remembering to buy eggs and bacon at the
> ? ? market.
>
> ? ? ?I wish he would have been as involved and helpful when we were
> ? ? married,? said Claus. ?But he has definitely become a much
> ? ? better Dad after our divorce.?
>
> This seems rather unfair and condescending?Giles was sacrificing
> for his family when he worked long hours, and his ability to earn
> a good income was doubtless a substantial part of why his ex-wife
> decided to marry him to begin with. Like many men, his divorce came
> to him as a surprise. In don?t know what else happened between
> them, but it seems his ex-wife may have decided to break up the
> family because she was unhappy with decisions that she herself
> played a large role in crafting.
>
> His ex says, ?I wish he would have been as involved and helpful
> when we were married.? This may be true, but I would add that I?m
> sure she found his good income very ?helpful? too.
>
> The article doesn?t say what the Giles? custody arrangement is now,
> and the article refers to his daughters ?visiting.? If they do have
> real joint custody?not the piece of paper which says ?joint custody?
> but allows dad only a few days a month with his children, but real
> joint custody, meaning substantially equal parenting time?then
> Giles? ex-wife is to be commended.
>
> There?s a lot of pressure in society to deny the harm caused by
> divorce and fatherlessness. The reason is that most divorces are
> initiated by women, and most of these are not due to serious
> infractions like adultery and abuse. Some divorced fathers have
> brought their problems on themselves, but many others were perfectly
> good husband and fathers. Brooke doesn?t say this and probably
> doesn?t believe it, but, de-stigmatizing divorce and depicting
> divorce as OK (or better) for kids is often a way to greenlight
> women to make these damaging choices.
>
> Fathers & Families supporters David Gestl and Eric Ryerson are also
> quoted in the story. To read Brooke?s full piece, click here. To
> comment on it, click here and scroll down.? Bookmark This Post:
>
>
>
>

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  54. 2009-07-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  55. 2009-07-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  56. 2009-07-20 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  57. 2009-07-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  58. 2009-07-20 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  59. 2009-07-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  60. 2009-07-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  61. 2009-07-21 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  62. 2009-07-21 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google operating system
  63. 2009-07-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worthless Dads
  64. 2009-07-21 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  65. 2009-07-21 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS
  66. 2009-07-21 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS
  67. 2009-07-22 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  68. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  69. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS
  70. 2009-07-22 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worthless Dads
  71. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  72. 2009-07-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  73. 2009-07-22 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  74. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  75. 2009-07-22 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS
  76. 2009-07-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  77. 2009-07-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  78. 2009-07-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  79. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  80. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  81. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  82. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worthless Dads
  83. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Ray DRM
  84. 2009-07-22 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS
  85. 2009-07-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MEETING TONIGHT
  86. 2009-07-23 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MEETING TONIGHT
  87. 2009-07-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MEETING TONIGHT
  88. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Upcoming Scheduling and Projects
  89. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  90. 2009-07-24 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  91. 2009-07-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  92. 2009-07-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  93. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad Week For Jews
  94. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  95. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  96. 2009-07-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  97. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  98. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  99. 2009-07-24 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  100. 2009-07-24 From: "Beau Gould \(OSS\)" <bg-at-capitalmarketsp.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  101. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  102. 2009-07-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Building a Better Mouse Trap
  103. 2009-07-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Upcoming Scheduling and Projects
  104. 2009-07-26 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Building a Better Mouse Trap
  105. 2009-07-26 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  106. 2009-07-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Building a Better Mouse Trap
  107. 2009-07-26 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  108. 2009-07-26 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Building a Better Mouse Trap
  109. 2009-07-26 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] closest I have found to an ESR Linux conference article
  110. 2009-07-26 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source advocacy
  111. 2009-07-26 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] best comments on the Gates (Harvard) affair I've seen
  112. 2009-07-26 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  113. 2009-07-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open
  114. 2009-07-27 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  115. 2009-07-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  116. 2009-07-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  117. 2009-07-27 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  118. 2009-07-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  119. 2009-07-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  120. 2009-07-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  121. 2009-07-27 Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  122. 2009-07-27 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  123. 2009-07-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  124. 2009-07-28 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  125. 2009-07-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Family Free Software Videos
  126. 2009-07-28 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Family Free Software Videos
  127. 2009-07-28 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Family Free Software Videos
  128. 2009-07-28 Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  129. 2009-07-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  130. 2009-07-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open
  131. 2009-07-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest in Downtown Brooklyn?
  132. 2009-07-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Some Jewish Spiritual information for those of us of that faith
  133. 2009-07-28 Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  134. 2009-07-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  135. 2009-07-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  136. 2009-07-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  137. 2009-07-28 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  138. 2009-07-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  139. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  140. 2009-07-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  141. 2009-07-29 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Some Jewish Spiritual information for those
  142. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  143. 2009-07-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  144. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  145. 2009-07-29 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  146. 2009-07-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  147. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  148. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  149. 2009-07-29 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  150. 2009-07-29 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  151. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT planning Start
  152. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  153. 2009-07-29 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  154. 2009-07-30 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  155. 2009-07-30 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  156. 2009-07-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  157. 2009-07-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  158. 2009-07-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  159. 2009-07-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services

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