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DATE 2009-07-26
FROM Simon Fondrie-Teitler
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Out of curiosity, what is the source for this? Thanks.
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Simon Fondrie-Teitler
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On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:

> uly 26, 2009 Scientists Worry Machines May Outsmart Man By JOHN
> MARKOFF
>
> A robot that can open doors and find electrical outlets to recharge
> itself. Computer viruses that no one can stop. Predator drones,
> which, though still controlled remotely by humans, come close to
> a machine that can kill autonomously.
>
> Impressed and alarmed by advances in artificial intelligence, a
> group of computer scientists is debating whether there should be
> limits on research that might lead to loss of human control over
> computer-based systems that carry a growing share of society=C4=81s
> workload, from waging war to chatting with customers on the phone.
>
> Their concern is that further advances could create profound social
> disruptions and even have dangerous consequences.
>
> As examples, the scientists pointed to a number of technologies as
> diverse as experimental medical systems that interact with patients
> to simulate empathy, and computer worms and viruses that defy
> extermination and could thus be said to have reached a =C4=81cockroach=C4=
=81
> stage of machine intelligence.
>
> While the computer scientists agreed that we are a long way from
> Hal, the computer that took over the spaceship in =C4=812001: A Space
> Odyssey,=C4=81 they said there was legitimate concern that technological
> progress would transform the work force by destroying a widening
> range of jobs, as well as force humans to learn to live with machines
> that increasingly copy human behaviors.
>
> The researchers =C4=81 leading computer scientists, artificial intelligen=
ce
> researchers and roboticists who met at the Asilomar Conference
> Grounds on Monterey Bay in California =C4=81 generally discounted the
> possibility of highly centralized superintelligences and the idea
> that intelligence might spring spontaneously from the Internet.
> But they agreed that robots that can kill autonomously are either
> already here or will be soon.
>
> They focused particular attention on the specter that criminals
> could exploit artificial intelligence systems as soon as they were
> developed. What could a criminal do with a speech synthesis system
> that could masquerade as a human being? What happens if artificial
> intelligence technology is used to mine personal information from
> smart phones?
>
> The researchers also discussed possible threats to human jobs, like
> self-driving cars, software-based personal assistants and service
> robots in the home. Just last month, a service robot developed by
> Willow Garage in Silicon Valley proved it could navigate the real
> world.
>
> A report from the conference, which took place in private on Feb.
> 25, is to be issued later this year. Some attendees discussed the
> meeting for the first time with other scientists this month and in
> interviews.
>
> The conference was organized by the Association for the Advancement
> of Artificial Intelligence, and in choosing Asilomar for the
> discussions, the group purposefully evoked a landmark event in the
> history of science. In 1975, the world=C4=81s leading biologists also
> met at Asilomar to discuss the new ability to reshape life by
> swapping genetic material among organisms. Concerned about possible
> biohazards and ethical questions, scientists had halted certain
> experiments. The conference led to guidelines for recombinant DNA
> research, enabling experimentation to continue.
>
> The meeting on the future of artificial intelligence was organized
> by Eric Horvitz, a Microsoft researcher who is now president of
> the association.
>
> Dr. Horvitz said he believed computer scientists must respond to
> the notions of superintelligent machines and artificial intelligence
> systems run amok.
>
> The idea of an =C4=81intelligence explosion=C4=81 in which smart machines
> would design even more intelligent machines was proposed by the
> mathematician I. J. Good in 1965. Later, in lectures and science
> fiction novels, the computer scientist Vernor Vinge popularized
> the notion of a moment when humans will create smarter-than-human
> machines, causing such rapid change that the =C4=81human era will be
> ended.=C4=81 He called this shift the Singularity.
>
> This vision, embraced in movies and literature, is seen as plausible
> and unnerving by some scientists like William Joy, co-founder of
> Sun Microsystems. Other technologists, notably Raymond Kurzweil,
> have extolled the coming of ultrasmart machines, saying they will
> offer huge advances in life extension and wealth creation.
>
> =C4=81Something new has taken place in the past five to eight years,=C4=
=81
> Dr. Horvitz said. =C4=81Technologists are replacing religion, and their
> ideas are resonating in some ways with the same idea of the Rapture.=C4=
=81
>
> The Kurzweil version of technological utopia has captured imaginations
> in Silicon Valley. This summer an organization called the Singularity
> University began offering courses to prepare a =C4=81cadre=C4=81 to shape
> the advances and help society cope with the ramifications.
>
> =C4=81My sense was that sooner or later we would have to make some sort
> of statement or assessment, given the rising voice of the technorati
> and people very concerned about the rise of intelligent machines,=C4=81
> Dr. Horvitz said.
>
> The A.A.A.I. report will try to assess the possibility of =C4=81the loss
> of human control of computer-based intelligences.=C4=81 It will also
> grapple, Dr. Horvitz said, with socioeconomic, legal and ethical
> issues, as well as probable changes in human-computer relationships.
> How would it be, for example, to relate to a machine that is as
> intelligent as your spouse?
>
> Dr. Horvitz said the panel was looking for ways to guide research
> so that technology improved society rather than moved it toward a
> technological catastrophe. Some research might, for instance, be
> conducted in a high-security laboratory.
>
> The meeting on artificial intelligence could be pivotal to the
> future of the field. Paul Berg, who was the organizer of the 1975
> Asilomar meeting and received a Nobel Prize for chemistry in 1980,
> said it was important for scientific communities to engage the
> public before alarm and opposition becomes unshakable.
>
> =C4=81If you wait too long and the sides become entrenched like with
> G.M.O.,=C4=81 he said, referring to genetically modified foods, =C4=81the=
n
> it is very difficult. It=C4=81s too complex, and people talk right past
> each other.=C4=81
>
> Tom Mitchell, a professor of artificial intelligence and machine
> learning at Carnegie Mellon University, said the February meeting
> had changed his thinking. =C4=81I went in very optimistic about the
> future of A.I. and thinking that Bill Joy and Ray Kurzweil were
> far off in their predictions,=C4=81 he said. But, he added, =C4=81The mee=
ting
> made me want to be more outspoken about these issues and in particular
> be outspoken about the vast amounts of data collected about our
> personal lives.=C4=81
>
> Despite his concerns, Dr. Horvitz said he was hopeful that artificial
> intelligence research would benefit humans, and perhaps even
> compensate for human failings. He recently demonstrated a voice-based
> system that he designed to ask patients about their symptoms and
> to respond with empathy. When a mother said her child was having
> diarrhea, the face on the screen said, =C4=81Oh no, sorry to hear that.=
=C4=81
>
> A physician told him afterward that it was wonderful that the system
> responded to human emotion. =C4=81That=C4=81s a great idea,=C4=81 Dr. Hor=
vitz said
> he was told. =C4=81I have no time for that.=C4=81
>
> Ken Conley/Willow Garage
>

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On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Ruben =
Safir <mrbrklyn-at-=
panix.com
>
wrote:
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

uly 26, 2009 Scientists Worry Machines May Outsmart Man By JOHN

MARKOFF



A robot that can open doors and find electrical outlets to recharge

itself. Computer viruses that no one can stop. Predator drones,

which, though still controlled remotely by humans, come close to

a machine that can kill autonomously.



Impressed and alarmed by advances in artificial intelligence, a

group of computer scientists is debating whether there should be

limits on research that might lead to loss of human control over

computer-based systems that carry a growing share of society=C4=81s

workload, from waging war to chatting with customers on the phone.



Their concern is that further advances could create profound social

disruptions and even have dangerous consequences.



As examples, the scientists pointed to a number of technologies as

diverse as experimental medical systems that interact with patients

to simulate empathy, and computer worms and viruses that defy

extermination and could thus be said to have reached a =C4=81cockroach=C4=
=81

stage of machine intelligence.



While the computer scientists agreed that we are a long way from

Hal, the computer that took over the spaceship in =C4=812001: A Space

Odyssey,=C4=81 they said there was legitimate concern that technological>
progress would transform the work force by destroying a widening

range of jobs, as well as force humans to learn to live with machines

that increasingly copy human behaviors.



The researchers =C4=81 leading computer scientists, artificial intelligence=


researchers and roboticists who met at the Asilomar Conference

Grounds on Monterey Bay in California =C4=81 generally discounted the

possibility of highly centralized superintelligences and the idea

that intelligence might spring spontaneously from the Internet.

But they agreed that robots that can kill autonomously are either

already here or will be soon.



They focused particular attention on the specter that criminals

could exploit artificial intelligence systems as soon as they were

developed. What could a criminal do with a speech synthesis system

that could masquerade as a human being? What happens if artificial

intelligence technology is used to mine personal information from

smart phones?



The researchers also discussed possible threats to human jobs, like

self-driving cars, software-based personal assistants and service

robots in the home. Just last month, a service robot developed by

Willow Garage in Silicon Valley proved it could navigate the real

world.



A report from the conference, which took place in private on Feb.

25, is to be issued later this year. Some attendees discussed the

meeting for the first time with other scientists this month and in

interviews.



The conference was organized by the Association for the Advancement

of Artificial Intelligence, and in choosing Asilomar for the

discussions, the group purposefully evoked a landmark event in the

history of science. In 1975, the world=C4=81s leading biologists also

met at Asilomar to discuss the new ability to reshape life by

swapping genetic material among organisms. Concerned about possible

biohazards and ethical questions, scientists had halted certain

experiments. The conference led to guidelines for recombinant DNA

research, enabling experimentation to continue.



The meeting on the future of artificial intelligence was organized

by Eric Horvitz, a Microsoft researcher who is now president of

the association.



Dr. Horvitz said he believed computer scientists must respond to

the notions of superintelligent machines and artificial intelligence

systems run amok.



The idea of an =C4=81intelligence explosion=C4=81 in which smart machinesr>
would design even more intelligent machines was proposed by the

mathematician I. J. Good in 1965. Later, in lectures and science

fiction novels, the computer scientist Vernor Vinge popularized

the notion of a moment when humans will create smarter-than-human

machines, causing such rapid change that the =C4=81human era will be

ended.=C4=81 He called this shift the Singularity.



This vision, embraced in movies and literature, is seen as plausible

and unnerving by some scientists like William Joy, co-founder of

Sun Microsystems. Other technologists, notably Raymond Kurzweil,

have extolled the coming of ultrasmart machines, saying they will

offer huge advances in life extension and wealth creation.



=C4=81Something new has taken place in the past five to eight years,=C4=81<=
br>
Dr. Horvitz said. =C4=81Technologists are replacing religion, and their

ideas are resonating in some ways with the same idea of the Rapture.=C4=81<=
br>


The Kurzweil version of technological utopia has captured imaginations

in Silicon Valley. This summer an organization called the Singularity

University began offering courses to prepare a =C4=81cadre=C4=81 to shaper>
the advances and help society cope with the ramifications.



=C4=81My sense was that sooner or later we would have to make some sort

of statement or assessment, given the rising voice of the technorati

and people very concerned about the rise of intelligent machines,=C4=81

Dr. Horvitz said.



The A.A.A.I. report will try to assess the possibility of =C4=81the loss>
of human control of computer-based intelligences.=C4=81 It will also

grapple, Dr. Horvitz said, with socioeconomic, legal and ethical

issues, as well as probable changes in human-computer relationships.

How would it be, for example, to relate to a machine that is as

intelligent as your spouse?



Dr. Horvitz said the panel was looking for ways to guide research

so that technology improved society rather than moved it toward a

technological catastrophe. Some research might, for instance, be

conducted in a high-security laboratory.



The meeting on artificial intelligence could be pivotal to the

future of the field. Paul Berg, who was the organizer of the 1975

Asilomar meeting and received a Nobel Prize for chemistry in 1980,

said it was important for scientific communities to engage the

public before alarm and opposition becomes unshakable.



=C4=81If you wait too long and the sides become entrenched like with

G.M.O.,=C4=81 he said, referring to genetically modified foods, =C4=81then<=
br>
it is very difficult. It=C4=81s too complex, and people talk right past

each other.=C4=81



Tom Mitchell, a professor of artificial intelligence and machine

learning at Carnegie Mellon University, said the February meeting

had changed his thinking. =C4=81I went in very optimistic about the

future of A.I. and thinking that Bill Joy and Ray Kurzweil were

far off in their predictions,=C4=81 he said. But, he added, =C4=81The meeti=
ng

made me want to be more outspoken about these issues and in particular

be outspoken about the vast amounts of data collected about our

personal lives.=C4=81



Despite his concerns, Dr. Horvitz said he was hopeful that artificial

intelligence research would benefit humans, and perhaps even

compensate for human failings. He recently demonstrated a voice-based

system that he designed to ask patients about their symptoms and

to respond with empathy. When a mother said her child was having

diarrhea, the face on the screen said, =C4=81Oh no, sorry to hear that.=C4=
=81



A physician told him afterward that it was wonderful that the system

responded to human emotion. =C4=81That=C4=81s a great idea,=C4=81 Dr. Horvi=
tz said

he was told. =C4=81I have no time for that.=C4=81



Ken Conley/Willow Garage




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  23. 2009-07-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google operating system
  24. 2009-07-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google operating system
  25. 2009-07-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google operating system
  26. 2009-07-08 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TRS-80
  27. 2009-07-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google operating system
  28. 2009-07-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internet radio
  29. 2009-07-08 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google operating system
  30. 2009-07-08 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internet radio
  31. 2009-07-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internet radio
  32. 2009-07-08 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internet radio
  33. 2009-07-08 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internet radio
  34. 2009-07-08 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internet radio
  35. 2009-07-09 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internet radio
  36. 2009-07-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internet radio
  37. 2009-07-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Events -
  38. 2009-07-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Events -
  39. 2009-07-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TRS-80
  40. 2009-07-14 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Perl Toe jam
  41. 2009-07-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Perl Toe jam
  42. 2009-07-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Perl Toe jam
  43. 2009-07-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  44. 2009-07-20 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  45. 2009-07-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LINUX INSTALLFEST! Saturday, August 1st, Bug Labs
  46. 2009-07-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  47. 2009-07-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  48. 2009-07-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Big Brother is Watching
  49. 2009-07-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Don't Believe it : RIAA - DRM is dead
  50. 2009-07-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  51. 2009-07-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  52. 2009-07-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  53. 2009-07-20 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  54. 2009-07-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  55. 2009-07-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  56. 2009-07-20 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  57. 2009-07-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  58. 2009-07-20 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  59. 2009-07-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  60. 2009-07-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  61. 2009-07-21 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Strange News this week
  62. 2009-07-21 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google operating system
  63. 2009-07-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worthless Dads
  64. 2009-07-21 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  65. 2009-07-21 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS
  66. 2009-07-21 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS
  67. 2009-07-22 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  68. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  69. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS
  70. 2009-07-22 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worthless Dads
  71. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  72. 2009-07-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  73. 2009-07-22 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  74. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  75. 2009-07-22 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS
  76. 2009-07-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  77. 2009-07-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  78. 2009-07-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  79. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  80. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (Ruben) sender change
  81. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Agenda -
  82. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Worthless Dads
  83. 2009-07-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Ray DRM
  84. 2009-07-22 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS
  85. 2009-07-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MEETING TONIGHT
  86. 2009-07-23 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MEETING TONIGHT
  87. 2009-07-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MEETING TONIGHT
  88. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Upcoming Scheduling and Projects
  89. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  90. 2009-07-24 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  91. 2009-07-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  92. 2009-07-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  93. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad Week For Jews
  94. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  95. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  96. 2009-07-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  97. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  98. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  99. 2009-07-24 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  100. 2009-07-24 From: "Beau Gould \(OSS\)" <bg-at-capitalmarketsp.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  101. 2009-07-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  102. 2009-07-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Building a Better Mouse Trap
  103. 2009-07-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Upcoming Scheduling and Projects
  104. 2009-07-26 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Building a Better Mouse Trap
  105. 2009-07-26 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  106. 2009-07-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Building a Better Mouse Trap
  107. 2009-07-26 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS to purchase Google for 3.5 Billion
  108. 2009-07-26 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Building a Better Mouse Trap
  109. 2009-07-26 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] closest I have found to an ESR Linux conference article
  110. 2009-07-26 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source advocacy
  111. 2009-07-26 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] best comments on the Gates (Harvard) affair I've seen
  112. 2009-07-26 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  113. 2009-07-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open
  114. 2009-07-27 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  115. 2009-07-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  116. 2009-07-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  117. 2009-07-27 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  118. 2009-07-27 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  119. 2009-07-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  120. 2009-07-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  121. 2009-07-27 Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  122. 2009-07-27 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  123. 2009-07-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  124. 2009-07-28 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  125. 2009-07-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Family Free Software Videos
  126. 2009-07-28 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Family Free Software Videos
  127. 2009-07-28 Simon Fondrie-Teitler <simonft-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Family Free Software Videos
  128. 2009-07-28 Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  129. 2009-07-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  130. 2009-07-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open
  131. 2009-07-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest in Downtown Brooklyn?
  132. 2009-07-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Some Jewish Spiritual information for those of us of that faith
  133. 2009-07-28 Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eric Raymond's tips for effective open source
  134. 2009-07-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  135. 2009-07-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  136. 2009-07-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  137. 2009-07-28 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  138. 2009-07-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  139. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  140. 2009-07-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  141. 2009-07-29 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Some Jewish Spiritual information for those
  142. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  143. 2009-07-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  144. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  145. 2009-07-29 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  146. 2009-07-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  147. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  148. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  149. 2009-07-29 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  150. 2009-07-29 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  151. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT planning Start
  152. 2009-07-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  153. 2009-07-29 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  154. 2009-07-30 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  155. 2009-07-30 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  156. 2009-07-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  157. 2009-07-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Inservice
  158. 2009-07-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services
  159. 2009-07-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving ISP Services

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