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| DATE | 2003-02-15 |
| FROM | Derek Neighbors
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Re: a proposed solution
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From owner-hangout-desteny-at-mrbrklyn.com Sat Feb 15 16:22:13 2003 Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h1FLMD3T023944 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:22:13 -0500 Received: (from mdom-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h1FLMDnV023943 for hangout-desteny; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:22:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: mdom set sender to owner-hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com using -f Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h1FLMC3T023937 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:22:12 -0500 Received: (from ruben-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h1FLMCuG023936 for hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:22:12 -0500 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.3/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h1FLIu3T023860; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:18:56 -0500 Received: from cpe-24-221-112-50.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.112.50] helo=[192.168.0.103]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18k9kA-000432-00; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:21:06 -0800 Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Re: a proposed solution From: Derek Neighbors To: Ruben Safir Cc: fairuse-at-mrbrklyn.com, "Stanley A. Klein" , dyfet-at-ostel.com, bkuhn-at-ebb.org, jdave23-at-informationwave.net, ruben-at-rm-cpa.com, jays-at-panix.com, hangout-at-nylxs.com, fairuse-at-nylxs.com, tina-at-newsforge.com In-Reply-To: <20030215194524.GB22513-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030213142700.GB7728-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3.0.5.16.20030210055912.4727622c-at-cpcug.org> <1045009756.13243.8.camel-at-connie> <20030212010409.GW1700-at-ebb.org> <200302120617.40622.dyfet-at-ostel.com> <20030213142700.GB7728-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3.0.5.16.20030214050552.44f7f834-at-cpcug.org> <20030215194524.GB22513-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-UO69F15wmGPZ3uDkLr1Z" Organization: GNU Enterprise Message-Id: <1045344061.8676.54.camel-at-latitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 15 Feb 2003 14:21:02 -0700 Sender: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Derek Neighbors List: New Yorkers Linux Scene Admin: To unsubscribe send unsubscribename-at-domian.com to hangout-request-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com X-Keywords: X-UID: 8223 Status: RO Content-Length: 2682 Lines: 73
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On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 12:45, Ruben Safir wrote: > When I lead everyone down to Washington for the DOC hears under NY Fair U= se, > it was clearly not obstructive, and it was completely productive.
I have remained extremely silent on this issue, despite my response to David's email to our mailing list starting this debate. (which needed to happen anyhow)
While I think much good was done there (DOC hearings), I do not think its fair to say it was totally productive. Some of the tatics used were damaging. I think the trade off of good to bad was favorable and I would call it a success.
> NY Fair Use is leading this again, and Monday is the time to discuss the=20 > details of this.
I hope this time they are just as vigilant, yet more professional.=20 There was much tact lacking from the DOC event. =20
> The goal in both events will be to force government to use Free Software = to=20 > assure fair use and equal competition for Free Software marketers.
While there are many things to convey at eGovOS and ways to do so, one I think we should stay away from is 'forcing' the Government into using Free Software. The minute we start forcing (via brute force) people to choose our way, we are no better than Microsoft. I think we should encourage them to allow their agencies to choose. As many agencies currently don't even get that chance.
I hope that if we can not encourage the eGovOS committee that having Microsoft speak is a faux pas. That we can perhaps educate as many people coming as possible about the ills of Shared Source and the freedoms granted with Free Software that are lacking in other types of software. If that opportunity is not afforded we likely need to protest to have our voice heard. Whatever the course of action I hope it can be done and conducted with better manners and more professionalism than has been demonstrated during this debate among people in the same camp.
> --=20 > Derek Neighbors > GNU Enterprise > http://www.gnuenterprise.org > derek-at-gnue.org >=20 > Was I helpful? Let others know: > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=3Ddneighbo
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