|FROM ||Joe Grastara
|SUBJECT ||Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS, NYFairUse
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Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS, NYFairUse
From: Joe Grastara
To: Marco Scoffier
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The decision to ban Jay and Brett from the list and organization is not
about censorship of the opposing argument.
There is no opposing argument. I repeat there is no opposing argument.
I couldn't care less about the beef between Brett and Ruben or the beef
over NY Fair Use or the beef between Jay and Ruben. Those are matters
peripheral to NYLXS. The issue I am concerned with as a member of
NYLXS is Brett holding the NYLXS.org domain hostage. Brett registered
this domain under the auspices of being a friend to the organization.
If Ruben did something to offend him, he has no right to take out his
anger on the rest of the organization. Several of us (members of
NYLXS) have tried on several occasions to reason with Brett on this
issue. The bottom line is he doesn't have any legitimate reason for
holding onto the domain name and has done nothing but give us the run
around whenever approached on this issue. I have not always agreed
with how Ruben has handled this issue but the important point here is
that Ruben is not equal to NYLXS. He is albeit the Founder and
President, but still just one member. Brett's actions affect far more
than just one person and in tangible ways, e.g. inhibiting the proper
function of the website, preventing students from signing up for
classes, reducing our rankings in google, have negatively impacted the
I would support a face to face sit down between Brett, Jay and the
Board of NYLXS. If you have any influence with Brett and Jay I would
suggest that you invite them to take this course and hopefully we can
clear the air and get these matters settled once and for all. Ruben
has made in my opinion an adequate peace offering, in offering to trade
the NY Fair Use name for the NYLXS.org domain name. This as far as I
can tell should make both sides happy and bring a quick and economical
solution to the matter. I agree with you in that I am also tired of
this debate. It's a waste of time and energy on both NYLXS' part and
on Brett's part. The sooner that this issue is resolved, the sooner
that we can all focus our energies on more productive endeavors.
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 09:34 AM, Marco Scoffier wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 04:29:43AM -0500, vin wrote:
>> As to the blocking issue. I don't know if it was initiated by Ruben,
>> or by
>> the board or exactly when, but at this point, it no longer matters.
>> I can
>> accurately say that a vote was taken by board members, and it is
>> officially a
>> board decision to maintain the block.
> Can I ask what could possibly have convinced the board that censorship
> of the opposing arguement was in any way desirable, or could possibly
> help to resolve this issue in any way shape or form?
> New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> Fair Use -
> because it's either fair use or useless....
New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....