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MESSAGE
DATE 2003-06-19
FROM Michael Richardson
SUBJECT RE: [hangout] Enough already
From owner-hangout-desteny-at-mrbrklyn.com Thu Jun 19 11:34:40 2003
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Get him a job on the continent of Atlantis.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Williams [mailto:jdave23-at-express56.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:26 AM
To: hangout-at-nylxs.com
Cc: rms-at-gnu.org
Subject: [hangout] Enough already



Tony is at it again, speaking on behalf of his "center". How can we
make him go away?

>From http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/06/17/1655215:

EGOVOS endorses South Africa's Open Source strategy
- by Tony Stanco -

The Center of Open Source & Government [www.egovos.org ] endorses the
South African Proposed Strategy for Using Open Source Software in the
South African Government by providing rationally defensible policy
guidelines. The South African Strategy is a reasonable road map for a
viable Open Source Government Policy for the following reasons:

1. Official Statement of Recognition of the Legitimacy of Open Source

Since Open Source as a policy consideration is a relatively new
phenomenon, a proper Open Source Government Policy begins with the
explicit recognition of Open Source as a legitimate software development
methodology.

The South African Strategy explicitly states that Open Source software
is a legitimate alternative to proprietary software in government
systems.

2. Designation of Particular Government Agency to Lead Open Source
Program

A proper Open Source Government Policy provides authority and
accountability to a high level government official who is responsible
for coordination, communication and execution of the Program.

The South African Strategy designates the State IT Agency (SITA) to
provide leadership and support for government institutions wishing to
implement Open Source Software. The strategy makes provision for
briefing sessions to the public and to government agencies, publishing
information through appropriate media outlets, creating and maintaining
an Open Source government website, and making presentations at
conferences.

3. Level Playing Field in Government Procurement

A government IT policy should foster a commitment to competition
without, directly or indirectly, pre-determining winners, as a result
there should be no a priori procurement preferences. However, a neutral
government procurement policy first ensures that all de facto and de
jure preferences, prejudices and discriminations are removed. Once the
playing field is leveled, purchases should be made on technical merit,
giving both proprietary and Open Source software an equal opportunity to
be selected.

One prerequisite for a level playing field is the removal of existing
user lock-ins resulting from de facto proprietary standards in use in
the current IT environment. As such, governments should immediately
mandate that only products abiding by enforceable Open Standards and
Open Protocols be purchased.

Until all major IT products are produced in compliance with Open
Standards and Open Protocols, it is reasonably defensible for
governments to have policies that deviate to a limited degree from a
procurement policy that would look exclusively at technical merit. The
preferred mitigating policy is charging proprietary companies a 5-10%
non-compliance fee on all purchased products that are non complying,
with the proceeds used to fund Open Source education and software
development in the country. A less preferred policy, though still
reasonably defensible, is a pre-set set-aside of between 10-20% of the
IT procurement budget that will be used to procure Open Source products,
even though strict adherence to a policy of purchasing on technical
merit would suggest that proprietary products be purchased. The
rationale for the de jure disparate treatment between proprietary and
Open Source during this transitional period is the fact that a de facto
disparate treatment currently exists that benefits proprietary and needs
to be counter-balanced until Open Standards are implemented.

The South African Strategy requires that Open Standards are to be a
prerequisite for all software development. It also says that
discrimination and prejudice will be avoided in software procurement
procedures to give Open Source and proprietary equal opportunity to be
selected. However, the South African Strategy does not attempt to
implement an interim policy to counter-balance the current slanting of
the playing field towards proprietary until the policy goal of
compliance with Open Standards is functional in the market.

4. Appreciation of Social Value of Open Source Software

While government procurement policy should be neutral to ensure that
governments do not introduce market distortions into the world economy,
there should be an appreciation of the social benefits of fostering Open
Source software development in a proper Open Source Government Policy
plan.

These social benefits include wider access to government information by
citizens, transparency in the functioning of the software running
e-government services, ability to create an indigenous software
industry, and better education and training of local IT professionals.
These are substantial social benefits for a country that are unavailable
at all or to the same degree from the proprietary software industry.

It should be noted that some commentators maintain that the social
benefits for a country of Open Source software are so large that they
should always trump the no a priori preferences principle. The Center of
Open Source & Government cautions governments from placing the economic
principles and social principles in opposition. With Open Source
software the economic and social principles are not in competition and
both are attainable simultaneously. Placing the social benefits above
the requirement of a level playing field unnecessarily complicates
public policy and can easily introduce unwanted market distortions with
negative unintended consequences.

However, if it were proven that a level playing field were to result in
an enduring disadvantage to a country's social policies, it would be
necessary to re-visit the issue of a proper balance between the economic
and social policies. The Center of Open Source & Government currently
holds, until shown otherwise, that the economic and social policies
supplement and support each other, so artificially placing them in
opposition is needless.

The South African Strategy recognizes the educational and commercial
benefits of Open Source development and recommends that partnerships
between academic, industry and government institutions be implemented.
It also finds a clever balance between a neutral procurement policy and
the social benefits of Open Source suggesting that in circumstances
where the advantages and disadvantages of Open Source and proprietary
software are equally strong, opting for Open Source is preferable, which
is sensible.

5. Phased Implementation

Given the disruptions and uncertainties inherent in moving from a
proprietary framework to an Open Source one, phasing in an Open Source
policy program is prudent to allow for piloting, education & training,
capacity building, experimentation and experience learning.

The South African Strategy begins with a Neutral Approach and progresses
through an Enabling Phase to an Aggressive Approach.

Conclusion

For the reasons given, The Center of Open Source & Government endorses
the South African Policy Strategy.

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  23. 2003-06-24 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] I sense a theme here...
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  37. 2003-06-23 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: I sense a theme here...
  38. 2003-06-23 From: "'Marco Scoffier'" <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] agenda
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  40. 2003-06-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] agenda
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  44. 2003-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] I sense a theme here...
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  102. 2003-06-16 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Mounting PCMCIA SmartMedia Adapter?
  103. 2003-06-16 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> RE: [hangout] Board Meeting
  104. 2003-06-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Board Meeting
  105. 2003-06-16 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting
  106. 2003-06-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show - Paying Gig
  107. 2003-06-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  108. 2003-06-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  109. 2003-06-15 From: "michael howard" <h00man1-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] mesh networking / aodv routing / mesh-ap / locustworld
  110. 2003-06-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Consumer Reports on Walmart Systems
  111. 2003-06-15 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Mounting PCMCIA SmartMedia Adapter?
  112. 2003-06-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  113. 2003-06-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  114. 2003-06-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  115. 2003-06-14 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  116. 2003-06-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  117. 2003-06-14 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  118. 2003-06-14 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  119. 2003-06-14 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  120. 2003-06-13 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] More PCMCIA Stuff
  121. 2003-06-13 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO is good for Linux
  122. 2003-06-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  123. 2003-06-13 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] The false profet (editorial)
  124. 2003-06-13 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] The false profet (editorial)
  125. 2003-06-13 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] The false profet (editorial)
  126. 2003-06-13 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] The false profet (editorial)
  127. 2003-06-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Search Engine Listings Effected?
  128. 2003-06-13 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] More PCMCIA Stuff
  129. 2003-06-13 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] PCMCIA SmartMedia Card Adapter]
  130. 2003-06-13 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  131. 2003-06-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] sunday night tech event address
  132. 2003-06-13 From: "h00man being" <h00man1-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] sunday night tech event address
  133. 2003-06-12 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] I remember when the US was a leader in technology.
  134. 2003-06-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Van Needed for Installfest on June 22nd
  135. 2003-06-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  136. 2003-06-12 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] I remember when the US was a leader in technology.
  137. 2003-06-12 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] I remember when the US was a leader in technology.
  138. 2003-06-12 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] PCMCIA SmartMedia Card Adapter
  139. 2003-06-12 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] I remember when the US was a leader in technology.
  140. 2003-06-12 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Pass the bong dude, it's Windows hacking time!
  141. 2003-06-12 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Pass the bong dude, it's Windows hacking time!
  142. 2003-06-12 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Pass the bong dude, it's Windows hacking time!
  143. 2003-06-12 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Van Needed for Installfest on June 22nd
  144. 2003-06-12 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  145. 2003-06-12 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Pass the bong dude, it's Windows hacking time!
  146. 2003-06-12 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  147. 2003-06-12 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Pass the bong dude, it's Windows hacking time!
  148. 2003-06-12 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Pass the bong dude, it's Windows hacking time!
  149. 2003-06-12 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] I kind of remember suggesting something like this...
  150. 2003-06-12 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO finds the smoking gun
  151. 2003-06-12 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Search Engine Listings Effected?
  152. 2003-06-11 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  153. 2003-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  154. 2003-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  155. 2003-06-11 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSe justifies desktop Linux
  156. 2003-06-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] email and our server
  157. 2003-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] email and our server
  158. 2003-06-11 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  159. 2003-06-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] email and our server
  160. 2003-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] email and our server
  161. 2003-06-11 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] email and our server
  162. 2003-06-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  163. 2003-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  164. 2003-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  165. 2003-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  166. 2003-06-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] email and our server
  167. 2003-06-11 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting
  168. 2003-06-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] email and our server
  169. 2003-06-11 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] email and our server
  170. 2003-06-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Search Engine Listings Effected?
  171. 2003-06-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] email and our server
  172. 2003-06-11 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] email and our server
  173. 2003-06-11 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] hi, what's this list for?
  174. 2003-06-11 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] email and our server
  175. 2003-06-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Vs. Linux Desktop Battle Heats Up
  176. 2003-06-11 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Re: [hangout] FTP Question
  177. 2003-06-11 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Access in State and Local Government
  178. 2003-06-11 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] FTP Question
  179. 2003-06-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting
  180. 2003-06-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] when is the board meeting scheduled?
  181. 2003-06-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Tech-Nite - Growing success
  182. 2003-06-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Tech-Nite - Growing success
  183. 2003-06-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Tech-Nite - Growing success
  184. 2003-06-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Tech-Nite - Growing success
  185. 2003-06-10 Bill Putney <bputney-at-effective-tech.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Linux Administrator (fwd)
  186. 2003-06-10 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] free stuff
  187. 2003-06-10 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] Ximian Desktop 2
  188. 2003-06-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE Gears Linux Desktop for Large Sites
  189. 2003-06-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SuSE Gears Linux Desktop for Large Sites
  190. 2003-06-09 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Merrill Lynch: Linux saves money
  191. 2003-06-09 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] letterhead
  192. 2003-06-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] letterhead
  193. 2003-06-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] LINUX THREAT TO MICROSOFT IS VERY REAL
  194. 2003-06-09 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] letterhead
  195. 2003-06-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] letterhead
  196. 2003-06-09 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Domain Names
  197. 2003-06-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Domain Names
  198. 2003-06-08 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Permission Change to a Mount Point?
  199. 2003-06-08 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Permission Change to a Mount Point?
  200. 2003-06-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Permission Change to a Mount Point?
  201. 2003-06-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Permission Change to a Mount Point?
  202. 2003-06-08 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Permission Change to a Mount Point?
  203. 2003-06-08 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Permission Change to a Mount Point?
  204. 2003-06-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Permission Change to a Mount Point?
  205. 2003-06-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Class and GNU/Linux One
  206. 2003-06-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  207. 2003-06-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] linux journal
  208. 2003-06-07 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI and the 'Net
  209. 2003-06-07 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Domain Names
  210. 2003-06-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [service-at-domainmonger.com: Automated -10 day renewal reminder 2003-06-06]
  211. 2003-06-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Domain Names
  212. 2003-06-06 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] linux proxy and firewall
  213. 2003-06-06 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Scribus] On Screen Font Rendering in Document
  214. 2003-06-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [RHSA-2003:192-01] Updated KDE packages fix security issue (was:Re: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: cups (SuSE-SA:2003:028)])
  215. 2003-06-06 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Scribus Compile
  216. 2003-06-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] oops- Radios Show
  217. 2003-06-05 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] oops- Radios Show
  218. 2003-06-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] oops- Radios Show
  219. 2003-06-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] oops- Radios Show
  220. 2003-06-05 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] oops- Radios Show
  221. 2003-06-05 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  222. 2003-06-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSI Schedule
  223. 2003-06-05 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware success!
  224. 2003-06-05 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] New Email Addy
  225. 2003-06-05 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Slackware again
  226. 2003-06-05 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware again
  227. 2003-06-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] InformationWeek - Adolescent Angst
  228. 2003-06-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C libs problem
  229. 2003-06-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: conference in northern france [athome-at-externe.net]
  230. 2003-06-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] C libs problem
  231. 2003-06-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] C libs problem
  232. 2003-06-05 Deosaran Bisnath <deobisnath-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] NYT
  233. 2003-06-05 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Outsourcing
  234. 2003-06-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] I dont know if this has bearing on the SCO case, but
  235. 2003-06-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Internal Memo
  236. 2003-06-05 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Internal Memo
  237. 2003-06-05 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] NYT
  238. 2003-06-05 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Re: [hangout] Internal Memo
  239. 2003-06-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Internal Memo
  240. 2003-06-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] InformationWeek - Adolescent Angst
  241. 2003-06-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Senator Brownback (R-Kansas) introduces Fair Use enhancing bill
  242. 2003-06-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Enlisting the Young as White-Hat Hackers
  243. 2003-06-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Enlisting the Young as White-Hat Hackers
  244. 2003-06-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Enlisting the Young as White-Hat Hackers
  245. 2003-06-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO hit by legal action in Germany
  246. 2003-06-04 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] linux journal
  247. 2003-06-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Slackware problems
  248. 2003-06-03 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware problems
  249. 2003-06-03 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] Not Ready!
  250. 2003-06-02 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] MS in India
  251. 2003-06-02 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Check this out! do you think this is for real
  252. 2003-06-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I'll be out of town tomorrow
  253. 2003-06-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 3d
  254. 2003-06-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Slackware problem
  255. 2003-06-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Slackware problem
  256. 2003-06-02 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Slackware problem
  257. 2003-06-02 From: "Rene Ferrer" <ferrer_rene-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware problem
  258. 2003-06-02 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] http://www.nylxs.com/classes
  259. 2003-06-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 3d
  260. 2003-06-02 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] 3d
  261. 2003-06-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS VICE PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the baby is here
  262. 2003-06-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the baby is here
  263. 2003-06-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Thanks Everyone - Technite Big Success
  264. 2003-06-01 nylxsdoer <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] the baby is here
  265. 2003-06-01 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] the baby is here
  266. 2003-06-01 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] the baby is here
  267. 2003-06-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  268. 2003-06-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal Meeting Time Changed: Linux Scene Calender for Today
  269. 2003-06-02 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] 3d

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