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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:16:32 -0400
From: Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
To: Dave Williams
Cc: Richard Stallman , hangout-at-nylxs.com, fairuse-at-nylxs.com
Subject: Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
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I'm sick of this. The ineffectiveness of the FSF at
defending Free Software has cost me a lot of money.
Rich - keep investigating the truthfulness and specifics
miopic points in press releases, and you'll prevent Free Software
from ever providing a sound financial foundation for those who
use it and work with it.
In your mind, Free Software is tool for a few dozen select
programmers to work on part time, rather than the full-time
foundation for the information technologoies infrastructure
in which it should be. I'm so fustrated with things at this
point, I can't express it any more.
Neither Stanco or Perens are of any help or friends of Free Software.
They are both selfish people who are driving Free Software into
oblivion. Why am I bothing to educate people to use Free Software
when they will starve their families in the future if they decide
to use it? Is everyone supposed to live out of a suite case, or
are we supposed to raise our children and feed and educate them
If I don't see a stronger stand for the economic developement of
Free Software, and a hardened stand against the use of priority
software, I'm going to recommend to the organization to change
all the GNU/Linux statements back to plain Linux...
There is no point in protecting the GNU identitity to the system
if it is not doesn't MEAN something.
If Brazil is willing to use 80% of their systems with Free Software,
who the HELL is Tony Stanco to sell the world on something different.
This guy is scum.
It is REALLY that simple. And Brad was WRONG to show up at egovos
This is BS that any individual with an office like Brad can pretend
that he can show up as a private citizens. He is NEVER a 'private'
person when holding the office. The FSF Office walks with him.
If he wants to have a 'private' life, he needs to resign the office.
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 02:51:03PM -0400, Dave Williams wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 08:28, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > Looking at this article from March, I see it does not specifically
> > refer to Stanco's conference. I had the impression that this had
> > been announced by Microsoft at the conference, but the article
> > doesn't say so.
> > Was it so?
> > Can anyone send me the text o the article by Mary Jo Foley that
> > it refers to? Can anyone send me a copy of the license itself?
> > >From this description, it sounds like a free software license.
> > I hesitate to think that is true, but I should check it myself
> > and see.
> I think Ruben's point was that the conference resulted in more press for
> Microsoft than any benefit to OSS, which was an argument he made before
> it began.
> What I find troubling right now is Tony's reaction to the recent
> announcement from the government of Brazil. They publicized a three
> year pilot program to convert 80% of their systems to Open Source, and
> Tony released the following statement on a variety of sites. He has
> already announced your appearance at GWU -- perhaps you can address this
> unfortunate opinion of his in your speech. He claims to be an advocate
> of OSS, but he barely qualifies as a supporter. And we're not even
> talking about Free Software! David Sugar has already weighed in with
> his disgust, but no doubt Bruce Perens has something conciliatory to say
> about it, even though it contradicts his previous public stance (at
> events such as the San Francisco march, for example).
> >From http://lwn.net/Articles/36238/:
> Opinion on Brazil making
> Open Source mandatory in
> Fri, 13 Jun 2003
> 06:52:37 -0400
> According to the report below, Brazil is making Open Source mandatory for 80%
> of all computers in state institutions and businesses, setting up a "Chamber
> for the Implementation of Software Libre."
> While I think that Open Source in government is a good thing and have been
> working towards that goal for many years, making it mandatory is an industrial
> policy that may not succeed, which will hurt Open Source in the long run.
> It is much better for governments to set up a real level playing field in
> procurement policy and then let the market decide on merit. If a product can't
> make it in the market without government mandates, then history has shown that
> it won't make it with government mandates either. Brazil would have been
> better off to have a policy to buy the best software for its technical needs,
> whether it is Open Source or proprietary. In my opinion, Open Source would
> succeed on the merits in most cases without the market distortions that
> government preference programs cause. Ironically, if Brazil buys Open Source
> just because it is Open Source rather than the best product, their citizens
> will likely suffer long term.
> If governments want to create a culture of Open Source in their country to
> create an indigenous software industry (a noble goal), they are much better
> off working in the area of Education Policy, rather than Procurement Policy.
> To use a sports metaphor, Procurement Policy should be a race where the best
> win, so it needs to be a scrupulously fair competition for all. Whereas
> Education Policy is the practice and training exercises for the big race.
> Using Procurement Policy for Open Source, ensures that Open Source wins
> because they "knee cap" the competition, a morally unsatisfying "win". Using
> Education Policy for Open Source ensures that Open Source wins because it
> produces the best developers and software product.
> Brazil should reconsider it strategy.
> Best regards,
> Tony Stanco
> Founding Director
> The Center of Open Source & Government
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