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MESSAGE
DATE 2003-08-21
FROM Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] DRM is Theft


Hello NYLUG - Long time no see :)

I really don't want to turn this into a flame war, not because I'm
fearful of a flame war, or in anyway would loose any of these arguments,
but because we've done this a few dozen times, and while many newbies
might benifit from such a vigorous discussion, I just have too many larger
fish frying right now on the plate which is actually taking aim at many
of the important issues before us, which I hope are going to have a real
and permanent dent on our collective lives.


So let me combine several of the questions and arguements here, and try to
give ONE comprehensive answer. Then if you want to flame away and win the
'fight', you can do it on your time.

First of all, on the question of IBM and Free Software.

There are two issues here, as I can see them.

First is the question of the what I feel we can expect from IBM and the
nature of the IBM personality or its corperate culture.

On the question of the nature of IBM, I don't disagree with Ron that IBM
is enormous and sometimes the left hand doesn't know what the right hand
is doing. However, I disagree that this is in any way an excuse to let IBM off
the hook for the proposed DRM hard drives, and other things they and OTHER
companies have done. Peter asked me what do I think IBM is doing now. In
regards to DRM and their efforts with Free Software, I state openly I have
no direct knoledge of IBM's activities. Furthermore, because IBM is so
large, I doubt that even people who are on this list who work for IBM can
really say with any real authority what IBM is capable of doing in a few
years. But the established fact is that IBM invested into this DRM scheme
up until about 18 months ago. IBM clearly has several divisions highly
interested in Free Software, and it's survival.

However, IBM has a fidiciary responsibility to represent it's stockholders,
AND it has a leagal Corperate Charter. It's been said that IBM has unloaded
it's hard drive division. As I said before, this, IMO, is not good enough.
I don't know what they did. As far as I can see, they simply outsouced the
original Hardware Division to Fujitsu, and I have to believe, that without
any evidence contrary being presented, that the DRM project just went along
with it.

IBM has not, to my knowledge, stood up in clear opposition to the inclussion
of hardware elements designed to spy on individual citizens to other government
officials or to other business agencies. Now, on this matter, I can speak
as a primary source because I sat in on the meetings and congressional
hearings which discussed DRM on 'Constumer Level Electronics' and have
made testimony on these matters, and IBM clearly hasn't made any public
statements in this regard at all. They haven't confronted Jack Valilenti
not one darn time. Nor have I seen any evidence that IBM punished in any
way the employees in IBM who proposed the inclussion of DRM in devices
purchased as cash and carry by the general public.

The second issue on IBM is my judgement of IBM's business support for Free
Software. On this matter, I'm encouraged strongly by many aspects of IBM's
involvements, and other parts of their stratergy concerns me deeply.

Before I get far into this second aspect of our relationship with IBM, let
me first say that I'm extremely impressed with the work IBM has done with
Free Software, and outside of SuSE, Ximinain and Red Hat, they have probibly
done more than anyone and I'm very impressed.

But I'm also not bind or stupid.

In regard to Free Software and their business model, I'm deeply concerned
with their emphasis on the server model without the necessary application
development on the desktop end. They are leaving themselves exposed, and the
economic impact in terms of employment and job creation is being impaired
by this specific emphasis.

First of all, they are exposing themselves because the have
***handed over the only part of the computer which actually interfaces
with the end use*** to a company which is extremely hostile to Free Software
and has even a greater potential and history of manevolence than IBM has been
since the days it was tamed by prosecution by the Federal Government.

You realize that with the current Microsoft EULUA, nearly 30% of all business
desktops in production can be imediately locked down with any significant
change to IP proticals, CIFS, DRM or cryptography. And in fact, that is
what Passport and dotnet is designed to do.

Add to this the power of the DMCA, things can turn around on IBM mighty
fast with it's GNU/Linux stratergy.

Secondly, the general lack of investment in the Free Software Desktop, not
just with IBM, but especially because of the IBM investment in GNU/Linux,
if just flatout crippling the availability of jobs using Free Software
technology. The MSFC generates many more job and buisiness oppurtunities
because of the large selection of business applications which absolutely
need Windows to function. Can an amry of developer with JUST GNOME and C
skills, plus proficiency in Postgres, Perl and Python gain a living wage
in the current economic client. HELL NO. Will it happen in the future,
HELL NO, not at least with the current emphaisis of the major players with
an interest in Free Software so focused on a server stratergy.

So, IMO, IBM is hanging itself, and the community needs a wake up call. Not
because IBM's activities are evil towards Free Software, but because it
is not, in of itself, good enough. It is not putting bread on enough peoples
table, and their Websphere stratergy, which might work for them for a limited
time (say perhaps 5 years), I can't see a senero where it is not destined
for an ultimate failure because an increasingly locked down Windows Desktop.

Add this to there silence on the DRM, and they are REALLY hanging themselves.

Ask yourself, where will YOU be in 20 years, or in 40 years. And where
will the industry be.

Finally, if Windows XP '05 requires DRM and encryption services from the
server, forgetting everything else had MS can do to burry other companies
servers, WHAT THEN. IBM will certainly add the needed DRM hooks into it's
hardware and software.

OK - These list servers have a word limit, so part two in a few moments






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  8. 2003-08-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Biggest Free Softwaree Chamber of Commerce Meeting of the Year
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  15. 2003-08-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Developers Summit
  16. 2003-08-23 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME Developers Sumit
  17. 2003-08-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME Developers Sumit
  18. 2003-08-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] mod_perl / DBI developer for web projects (telecommute), Australia, Queensland, Brisbane]
  19. 2003-08-23 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME Developers Sumit
  20. 2003-08-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME Developers Sumit
  21. 2003-08-23 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME Developers Sumit
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  27. 2003-08-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME CONFERENCE MINUTES
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  29. 2003-08-22 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] irc
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  31. 2003-08-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell Bets on Linux
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  75. 2003-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Board Minutes
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  88. 2003-08-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME summit update and Kings Games on Wednesday
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  92. 2003-08-17 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Safe to read.
  93. 2003-08-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Safe to read.
  94. 2003-08-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  95. 2003-08-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] EULA Law
  96. 2003-08-17 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  97. 2003-08-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  98. 2003-08-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Ultra..
  99. 2003-08-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: General membership and board meeting
  100. 2003-08-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  101. 2003-08-17 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  102. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Ultraleftism.
  103. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Operating Systems...
  104. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] OS/2/IBM/Banks.
  105. 2003-08-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  106. 2003-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  107. 2003-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  108. 2003-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wiki (fwd)
  109. 2003-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  110. 2003-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  111. 2003-08-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  112. 2003-08-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wiki (fwd)
  113. 2003-08-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Wiki (fwd)
  114. 2003-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  115. 2003-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  116. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Satellite that was knocked out a few years ago.
  117. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] crossfire tonight?
  118. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] crossfire tonight?
  119. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  120. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  121. 2003-08-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Welcome back.
  122. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  123. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  124. 2003-08-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Where were you when the lights went off?
  125. 2003-08-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] more GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  126. 2003-08-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  127. 2003-08-14 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  128. 2003-08-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  129. 2003-08-13 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  130. 2003-08-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM and banking
  131. 2003-08-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM and banking
  132. 2003-08-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  133. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  134. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  135. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  136. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: #357: Pipes in NYPost on "The Terrorist Next Door" (Hawash case) [dplist-at-danielpipes.org]
  137. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  138. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  139. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  140. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Interesting Holes in MS
  141. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for August 13, 2003 [reply-478d-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com]
  142. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  143. 2003-08-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  144. 2003-08-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  145. 2003-08-13 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  146. 2003-08-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  147. 2003-08-13 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  148. 2003-08-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  149. 2003-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  150. 2003-08-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  151. 2003-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  152. 2003-08-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  153. 2003-08-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General membership and board meeting
  154. 2003-08-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Killarney Rose arises from the Ashes.....
  155. 2003-08-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Killarney Rose arises from the Ashes.....
  156. 2003-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night continues
  157. 2003-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  158. 2003-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  159. 2003-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl/ASP Developer (telecommute), United States, Texas, Austin]
  160. 2003-08-09 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] How is this for FUD.
  161. 2003-08-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] IBM counter sues SCO
  162. 2003-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM counter sues SCO
  163. 2003-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  164. 2003-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] IBM counter sues SCO
  165. 2003-08-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM counter sues SCO
  166. 2003-08-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  167. 2003-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  168. 2003-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lycoris Users Immune to SCO Licensing
  169. 2003-08-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  170. 2003-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  171. 2003-08-08 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] IBM countersues SCO
  172. 2003-08-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM countersues SCO
  173. 2003-08-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need info on Microsofts licensing tactics.
  174. 2003-08-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Need info on Microsofts licensing tactics.
  175. 2003-08-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [lordvolton-at-yahoo.com: Re: Your legal rights against SCO.]
  176. 2003-08-07 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] IBM countersues SCO
  177. 2003-08-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM countersues SCO
  178. 2003-08-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] This could be a problem.
  179. 2003-08-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [lordvolton-at-yahoo.com: Re: Your legal rights against SCO.]
  180. 2003-08-06 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Help Editing
  181. 2003-08-06 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Progress on Mandrake G4 install.
  182. 2003-08-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Tonight?
  183. 2003-08-06 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Editors Needed Imediately - available
  184. 2003-08-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  185. 2003-08-06 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  186. 2003-08-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting
  187. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting
  188. 2003-08-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting
  189. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  190. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Job: United States, NJ, Trenton
  191. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  192. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  193. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  194. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  195. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Idea for NYLXS.
  196. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Idea for NYLXS.
  197. 2003-08-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Idea for NYLXS.
  198. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Idea for NYLXS.
  199. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  200. 2003-08-05 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Editors Needed Imediately
  201. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Crossfire Server
  202. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  203. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  204. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL
  205. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Editors Needed Imediately
  206. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Editors Needed Imediately
  207. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell Acquires Ximian
  208. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] need a person for PHP & MySQL project
  209. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] DBI/CGI Programmer (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  210. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  211. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] re:I want to learn linux
  212. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] RedHat sues SCO for deceptive business practices.
  213. 2003-08-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Red Hat fires back at SCO in Linux fight
  214. 2003-08-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] It may have been for naught...
  215. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] It may have been for naught...
  216. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenOffice...
  217. 2003-08-04 From: "J L" <lokokool-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] re:I want to learn linux
  218. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] I want to learn linux
  219. 2003-08-04 From: "J L" <lokokool-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] I want to learn linux
  220. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  221. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  222. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  223. 2003-08-04 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] need a person for PHP & MySQL project
  224. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob and Evan
  225. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Road Trip
  226. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Rob and Evan
  227. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell Acquires Ximian
  228. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Road Trip
  229. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Road Trip
  230. 2003-08-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell Acquires Ximian
  231. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: postfix (SuSE-SA:2003:033)]
  232. 2003-08-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night
  233. 2003-08-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] a question about network.
  234. 2003-08-03 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] a question about network.
  235. 2003-08-03 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] My Present Situation
  236. 2003-08-03 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Perl developer (onsite), United States, Ny, Brooklyn]
  237. 2003-08-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Death in The Family] (fwd)
  238. 2003-08-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show tonite
  239. 2003-08-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite: The continuing saga of greatness
  240. 2003-08-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Death in The Family
  241. 2003-08-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Death in The Family
  242. 2003-08-31 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video of the Meeting
  243. 2003-08-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video of the Meeting
  244. 2003-08-30 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] freshrpms.net
  245. 2003-08-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Video of the Meeting
  246. 2003-08-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] DRM is Theft
  247. 2003-08-29 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  248. 2003-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  249. 2003-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] DRM is Theft
  250. 2003-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  251. 2003-08-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  252. 2003-08-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [fairuse] DRM is Theft
  253. 2003-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DRM is Theft
  254. 2003-08-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  255. 2003-08-28 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gimp book (online)
  256. 2003-08-28 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Gimp book (online)
  257. 2003-08-28 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  258. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  259. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  260. 2003-08-28 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  261. 2003-08-28 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] head first java
  262. 2003-08-28 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> RE: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  263. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Whirlwindstate-at-aol.com: Fwd: MY Group Show " 9-11 Remembered"
  264. 2003-08-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  265. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  266. 2003-08-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  267. 2003-08-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  268. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Staten Island Events
  269. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  270. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  271. 2003-08-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME COnference
  272. 2003-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Edit mp3
  273. 2003-08-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME development summit approved
  274. 2003-08-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME development summit approved
  275. 2003-08-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Meeting
  276. 2003-08-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] scanner needed
  277. 2003-08-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] scanner needed
  278. 2003-08-27 Charles Nardino <cnardino-at-bway.net> Subject: [hangout] Edit mp3
  279. 2003-08-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [thomas-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: sendmail (SuSE-SA:2003:035)]
  280. 2003-08-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR for tonight
  281. 2003-08-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] PR for tonight
  282. 2003-08-26 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> RE: [hangout] PR for tonight
  283. 2003-08-26 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] PR for tonight
  284. 2003-08-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] PR for tonight
  285. 2003-08-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] COnsulting Oppurtunity with US Gov
  286. 2003-08-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  287. 2003-08-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  288. 2003-08-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  289. 2003-08-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting - Tues Aug 26, 2003
  290. 2003-08-20 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS' materials
  291. 2003-08-17 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Ultraleftism.
  292. 2003-08-17 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  293. 2003-08-16 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  294. 2003-08-16 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  295. 2003-08-15 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  296. 2003-08-14 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  297. 2003-08-14 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path

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