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Key: Value:

Key: Value:

MESSAGE
DATE 2003-08-20
FROM From: "Steve Milo"
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Laptops for All

Perfect example of how valuable computer science is to society and why
its
technology and its by product shouldnt be held ransom by self interest
groups.

Steve M

On Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003, at 17:47 America/Denver, Inker, Evan wrote:

>
> Laptops for All
> November 1, 2001
>
> http://www.digitaldividenetwork.org/content/stories/index.cfm?key=219
>
> A sixth grader lowers a temperature probe inside a beaker full of hot
> water.
> Two of her classmates stare intently at a laptop computer screen,
> watching
> as a graph dynamically changes when a chip of melting ice gradually
> lowers
> the water temperature. Another student sits poised, pen in hand, ready
> to
> record every detail of the science lab on a procedure sheet.
>
> "It's melting!" exclaims one student.
> "The temperature is going down, alright," agrees another.
> "When the ice is gone, we'll hit stop," directs one boy who has been
> given
> the job of data collector for the group.
>
> This popular science lab activity at The Mott Hall School is the
> culmination
> of several days' worth of study and exploration into the heat of
> fusion, or
> the amount of heat required to melt a solid substance into its liquid
> form.
> Throughout the room, the sixth graders are working in groups of five
> students, each team responsible for setting up its station, conducting
> the
> experiment, and then analyzing the results. Their tools comprise a mix
> of
> standard lab equipment (a beaker, a triple beam balance, and the like)
> and
> some decidedly high-tech additions, including a temperature probe
> connected
> to a laptop computer and software that records, graphs, and displays
> the
> changing water temperature in real time. In addition to the temperature
> probes used by Mott Hall students, there are similar probes for gauging
> pressure and sound. All of these devices provide students access to
> the same
> tools scientists use.
>
> Sixth-grade science teacher Mercedes Diez had begun the class with a
> quick
> refresher on phase-change operations but had quickly turned the
> activity
> over to her students. They troubleshoot when one of the probes isn't
> working
> properly, consider possible causes when they get unexpected results,
> and
> brainstorm ways to present their findings to their classmates. For her
> part,
> Diez serves as a facilitator. She responds to the occasional question
> or
> poses one of her own, always encouraging her students to take their
> analysis
> just a little bit further.
>
> Harlem Pioneers
>
> Mott Hall is a math, science, and technology academy in New York
> Community
> School District Six. This fourth- through eighth-grade magnet school
> has
> 425, primarily Hispanic, students. And it's one of a growing number of
> schools in the country where every student and every teacher has his
> or her
> own laptop computer.
>
> Mott Hall opened in 1986, and for the first 10 years of its existence,
> the
> school offered a rigorous but fairly traditional approach to
> education. But
> everything started to change in 1996. That's when a class of fifth
> graders
> and their teacher became pioneers in the use of laptop computers in
> schools.
>
>
> "We saw the introduction of laptops as a wonderful opportunity to
> reexamine
> our curriculum and to confront the Digital Divide," says Principal
> Mirian
> Acosta-Sing. The parents agreed. Together, parents and staff developed
> policies to ensure the safety of students traveling to and from school,
> created a payment plan that relied on the contribution of families and
> the
> school district, and began troubleshooting everything from curriculum
> delivery to basic repair and maintenance.
>
> Over the next five years, Acosta-Sing and her staff built upon that
> first
> pilot project, slowly adding classes and grade levels to the growing
> contingent of laptop pioneers. Finally, in the fall of 1999, the last
> class
> received its laptops.
>
> A Focus on Projects
>
> Visitors to Mott Hall don't have to look hard for evidence of how
> laptop
> computers have changed teaching and learning. While sixth graders are
> conducting experiments with temperature probes, fifth graders are
> creating
> scale models of kites in Excel spreadsheets and reading poems about
> Harlem,
> inspired by digital photographs the students took at nearby St.
> Nicholas
> Park. Seventh graders are creating business plans as part of a project
> on
> entrepreneurship. And the eighth graders, who will soon be graduating
> and
> moving on to some of the city's most prestigious high schools, are
> creating
> a digital photo album and conducting scientific research on methane gas
> emissions, coral reef bleaching, and dozens of other topics of their
> own
> choosing.
>
> Every classroom, every hallway is a showcase for student work. Artwork,
> essays, poems, and science posters cover the walls. And everywhere you
> look
> there are laptop computers. In one classroom, students are logging on
> to an
> Internet chess site to play against a faraway opponent. In another, a
> group
> of students is putting the final touches on a multimedia presentation.
> With
> frequent use has come a comfort with technology that many adults have
> yet to
> achieve. Students manipulate temperature probes and swap network cards
> as
> easily as they might replace the lead in a mechanical pencil or verify
> a
> computation on a calculator.
>
> Teachers, too, have come a long way, thanks in large part to the
> school's
> built-from-the-ground-up approach to professional development. From its
> first day as a laptop pilot school, Mott Hall has relied on the
> expertise of
> its most experienced teachers to advance the technical and curriculum
> savvy
> of its entire staff. Staff development days are used to showcase
> exemplary
> teaching units. More experienced teachers mentor their colleagues (in
> Mott
> Hall lingo they're known as eLearning facilitators), opening up their
> classrooms for observation and taking the time after a long school day
> to
> meet and plan lessons. Partnerships with local universities,
> businesses, and
> other organizations provide yet another level of support and training
> for
> Mott Hall staff.
>
> "We had staff members who bought into this immediately, and we had
> staff
> members who had to be persuaded," acknowledges Marc Briller, Mott
> Hall's
> staff professional developer. He describes an evolution in how Mott
> Hall
> approached the integration of laptops into curriculum. "Here we had
> these
> wonderful laptops and the question that then came up is, 'Well, what
> are we
> going to do with these laptops? How are we going to showcase the
> technology?' We had to ask ourselves how we could fit the laptop into
> the
> curriculum, rather than adapting the curriculum to fit the laptop."
>
> It was that epiphany, says Acosta-Sing, that eventually led to a
> schoolwide
> commitment to project-oriented work. "We still lecture when it's
> important,
> and we still use textbooks when they're needed. But as a school
> community,
> we've embraced multidimensional, interdisciplinary projects. And we use
> these projects," she adds, ever mindful of the growing accountability
> movement, "as evidence that our students are not only meeting, but
> exceeding, the state standards."
>
> Go Fly a Kite
>
> A steady rain is falling outside Room 502, where Sandra Skea's class of
> fifth graders is putting the finishing touches on a second generation
> of
> handmade kites. At one table, Brandon is attaching a new tail to his
> kite in
> hopes of helping it fly longer and higher. At another, Lisbeth and
> Vanessa
> are working intently on their tetrahedron kite, a three-tier design
> made of
> multicolored tissue paper and straws and held together with lots and
> lots of
> glue. Throughout the room, tables are covered with the stuff homemade
> kites
> are made of -- paper, straws, aluminum foil, skewers, string -- all
> contributed by students, their teacher, family, and friends.
>
> By the time we arrive on that wet spring day, students have already
> spent
> several days on the interdisciplinary unit. They've written poetry and
> prose, studied such diverse topics as electromagnetism and the use of
> kite-flying in celebrations, and developed a keen understanding of
> principles of ratios and proportions as they designed and refined their
> kites -- on the computer and then by hand.
>
> Room 502's kite project began much like many of teaching veteran
> Skea's most
> successful units: with a conversation with her class. "We had been
> reading a
> story about kites," she recalls, "and I mentioned in passing that it
> would
> be nice to research kites." The students responded to her suggestion
> with a
> resounding, "Yes!"
>
> Having been somewhat less than successful in their first kite-flying
> expedition, Skea and her students are now back at the drawing board,
> refining their original designs. As soon as the rain stops, they'll put
> their second-generation creations to the test.
>
> But the point of the project isn't to see whose kite flies the highest
> or
> stays in the air the longest -- and that's not how the veteran teacher
> will
> be grading her students. Instead, Skea explains, the rubrics, or
> criteria,
> by which she'll be grading students address how well they work
> together, the
> amount and quality of their research, the thoroughness of their
> writing, and
> how well they planned their first -- and then refined their second --
> kite
> design.
>
> "The kite falling on the ground is not going to cause them to fail,"
> Skea
> adds matter-of-factly, "because that wasn't the purpose of the
> project."
>
> Assessing Student Work
>
> In Skea's class and throughout the school, students benefit from a
> clear
> understanding of the goals of a project, how it relates to grade-level
> standards, and the criteria by which it will be evaluated. Rubrics are
> discussed in class and then posted or handed out for all to review.
> Teachers
> and students (who routinely evaluate one another's work) rely on these
> criteria when assessing everything from kites to science projects to
> research papers.
>
> "The rubrics are our way of showing how each component of a project is
> aligned to standards," says Briller, adding that clearly delineated
> guidelines also ensure that projects are not just engaging but are also
> leading to a deep and meaningful understanding of concepts.
>
> Because so much of the student work is done on the laptops, Mott Hall
> is
> also in the process of creating digital portfolios for its students.
> Although currently in a pilot stage, the goal, says Acosta-Sing, is to
> create a portfolio for each fourth grader and then add new work to this
> digital archive as students progress through the school. By eighth
> grade,
> each student would have an electronic representation of their work at
> Mott
> Hall.
>
> Besides the "internal" evaluations, students at Mott Hall routinely
> participate in academic competitions where their work is assessed by
> other
> students as well as by outside experts. This real-world evaluation,
> says
> Briller, "gives kids the opportunity to understand where they stand in
> relation to other students. Tests are so abstract for kids. These
> competitions make it all very real," he adds.
>
> Like most public school students throughout New York state, Mott Hall
> students are also required to take a series of standardized tests in
> core
> subject areas. Although students receive instruction in the mechanics
> of
> test-taking, students learn the concepts through projects. "It's one
> thing
> to be able to pass a test," says Briller. "The real challenge (is)
> understanding the information and being able to apply it."
>
> Thanks to a standards-based project approach to learning, Mott Hall
> students
> are able to do both.
>
> New Challenges, New Opportunities
>
> If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then the staff and
> students
> at Mott Hall should feel truly honored. In September of 2001, a new
> school
> -- Mott Hall II -- opened in New York City, building on the philosophy
> and
> methods developed at the original Mott Hall. Based on the success of
> Mott
> Hall's program, all of the schools in New York Community School
> District Six
> are now moving to the laptop model pioneered by Acosta-Sing and her
> staff.
> Indeed, throughout the country, public schools are embracing the use of
> laptops to support project-based learning.
>
> For their part, Acosta-Sing and her staff are experimenting with new
> tools
> to take the school's commitment to project-oriented work to the next
> level.
> With the help of a pilot grant, for example, students and teachers are
> beginning to investigate ways in which handheld computers can be used
> to
> support the school's project approach to learning. "I'm not sure
> whether it
> will translate into anything useful," says Acosta-Sing with a shrug of
> her
> shoulders. "But we'll experiment with the new tools and then decide as
> a
> community whether they have some value."
>
>
> Copyright (c) 2002 The George Lucas Educational Foundation www.glef.org
>
>
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  52. 2003-08-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Felten, 08/28/03
  53. 2003-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Orientation
  54. 2003-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Felten, 08/28/03
  55. 2003-08-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Organizing the GNOME Developers Conference
  56. 2003-08-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] LAMP+XML developer (onsite), United States, DC, Washington]
  57. 2003-08-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Senior Engineer / Analyst (onsite), United States, MA, Cambridge
  58. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Laptops for All
  59. 2003-08-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Laptops for All
  60. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Democracy and the Information Revolution
  61. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Connecting Kids to Technology: Challenges and Opportunities
  62. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Laptops for All
  63. 2003-08-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Crossfire client for OSX...
  64. 2003-08-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Felten, 08/28/03
  65. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Two on Backfire of SCO's "Smoking Gun"
  66. 2003-08-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] SAMBA News (19th Aug, 2003) SCO use of Samba code u
  67. 2003-08-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS' materials
  68. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO users divided over GPL
  69. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Readers respond: SCO's McBride doesn't speak for IT in IBM fight
  70. 2003-08-20 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Nothing is Forever
  71. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SAMBA News (19th Aug, 2003) SCO use of Samba code under the GPL
  72. 2003-08-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS' materials
  73. 2003-08-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] IBM Article: Use the /proc filesystem to get a han
  74. 2003-08-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Nothing is Forever
  75. 2003-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Board Minutes
  76. 2003-08-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Nothing is Forever
  77. 2003-08-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday Night Gnome Development Meeting
  78. 2003-08-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS' materials
  79. 2003-08-19 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS' materials
  80. 2003-08-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM Article: Use the /proc filesystem to get a handle on your sy
  81. 2003-08-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] DistroWatch/SuSe arrogance.
  82. 2003-08-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME summit update and Kings Games on Wednesday
  83. 2003-08-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] CRN Interview: SuSE Linux CEO / Face to Face Richard Seibt SuSE's CEO
  84. 2003-08-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME summit update and Kings Games on Wednesday
  85. 2003-08-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 11, 18 August 2003
  86. 2003-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] GNOME summit update and Kings Games on Wednesday
  87. 2003-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] mod_perl/Linux Software Engineer for SSL VPN Leader (onsite), United States, New Jersey [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  88. 2003-08-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME summit update and Kings Games on Wednesday
  89. 2003-08-18 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Operating Systems...
  90. 2003-08-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Guadec 5
  91. 2003-08-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] GUADEC REPORT: The counter proposal from the GNOME board...
  92. 2003-08-17 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Safe to read.
  93. 2003-08-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Safe to read.
  94. 2003-08-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  95. 2003-08-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] EULA Law
  96. 2003-08-17 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  97. 2003-08-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  98. 2003-08-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Ultra..
  99. 2003-08-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: General membership and board meeting
  100. 2003-08-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  101. 2003-08-17 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  102. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Ultraleftism.
  103. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Operating Systems...
  104. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] OS/2/IBM/Banks.
  105. 2003-08-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  106. 2003-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  107. 2003-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  108. 2003-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wiki (fwd)
  109. 2003-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  110. 2003-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  111. 2003-08-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  112. 2003-08-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wiki (fwd)
  113. 2003-08-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Wiki (fwd)
  114. 2003-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  115. 2003-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  116. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Satellite that was knocked out a few years ago.
  117. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] crossfire tonight?
  118. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] crossfire tonight?
  119. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  120. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  121. 2003-08-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Welcome back.
  122. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  123. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  124. 2003-08-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Where were you when the lights went off?
  125. 2003-08-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] more GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  126. 2003-08-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  127. 2003-08-14 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  128. 2003-08-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  129. 2003-08-13 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  130. 2003-08-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM and banking
  131. 2003-08-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM and banking
  132. 2003-08-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  133. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  134. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  135. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  136. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: #357: Pipes in NYPost on "The Terrorist Next Door" (Hawash case) [dplist-at-danielpipes.org]
  137. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  138. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  139. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  140. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Interesting Holes in MS
  141. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for August 13, 2003 [reply-478d-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com]
  142. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  143. 2003-08-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  144. 2003-08-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  145. 2003-08-13 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  146. 2003-08-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  147. 2003-08-13 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  148. 2003-08-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  149. 2003-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  150. 2003-08-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  151. 2003-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  152. 2003-08-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  153. 2003-08-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General membership and board meeting
  154. 2003-08-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Killarney Rose arises from the Ashes.....
  155. 2003-08-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Killarney Rose arises from the Ashes.....
  156. 2003-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night continues
  157. 2003-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  158. 2003-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  159. 2003-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl/ASP Developer (telecommute), United States, Texas, Austin]
  160. 2003-08-09 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] How is this for FUD.
  161. 2003-08-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] IBM counter sues SCO
  162. 2003-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM counter sues SCO
  163. 2003-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  164. 2003-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] IBM counter sues SCO
  165. 2003-08-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM counter sues SCO
  166. 2003-08-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  167. 2003-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  168. 2003-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lycoris Users Immune to SCO Licensing
  169. 2003-08-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  170. 2003-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  171. 2003-08-08 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] IBM countersues SCO
  172. 2003-08-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM countersues SCO
  173. 2003-08-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need info on Microsofts licensing tactics.
  174. 2003-08-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Need info on Microsofts licensing tactics.
  175. 2003-08-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [lordvolton-at-yahoo.com: Re: Your legal rights against SCO.]
  176. 2003-08-07 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] IBM countersues SCO
  177. 2003-08-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM countersues SCO
  178. 2003-08-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] This could be a problem.
  179. 2003-08-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [lordvolton-at-yahoo.com: Re: Your legal rights against SCO.]
  180. 2003-08-06 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Help Editing
  181. 2003-08-06 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Progress on Mandrake G4 install.
  182. 2003-08-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Tonight?
  183. 2003-08-06 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Editors Needed Imediately - available
  184. 2003-08-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  185. 2003-08-06 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  186. 2003-08-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting
  187. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting
  188. 2003-08-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting
  189. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  190. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Job: United States, NJ, Trenton
  191. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  192. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  193. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  194. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  195. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Idea for NYLXS.
  196. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Idea for NYLXS.
  197. 2003-08-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Idea for NYLXS.
  198. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Idea for NYLXS.
  199. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  200. 2003-08-05 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Editors Needed Imediately
  201. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Crossfire Server
  202. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  203. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  204. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL
  205. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Editors Needed Imediately
  206. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Editors Needed Imediately
  207. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell Acquires Ximian
  208. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] need a person for PHP & MySQL project
  209. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] DBI/CGI Programmer (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  210. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  211. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] re:I want to learn linux
  212. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] RedHat sues SCO for deceptive business practices.
  213. 2003-08-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Red Hat fires back at SCO in Linux fight
  214. 2003-08-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] It may have been for naught...
  215. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] It may have been for naught...
  216. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenOffice...
  217. 2003-08-04 From: "J L" <lokokool-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] re:I want to learn linux
  218. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] I want to learn linux
  219. 2003-08-04 From: "J L" <lokokool-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] I want to learn linux
  220. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  221. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  222. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  223. 2003-08-04 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] need a person for PHP & MySQL project
  224. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob and Evan
  225. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Road Trip
  226. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Rob and Evan
  227. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell Acquires Ximian
  228. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Road Trip
  229. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Road Trip
  230. 2003-08-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell Acquires Ximian
  231. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: postfix (SuSE-SA:2003:033)]
  232. 2003-08-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night
  233. 2003-08-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] a question about network.
  234. 2003-08-03 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] a question about network.
  235. 2003-08-03 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] My Present Situation
  236. 2003-08-03 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Perl developer (onsite), United States, Ny, Brooklyn]
  237. 2003-08-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Death in The Family] (fwd)
  238. 2003-08-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show tonite
  239. 2003-08-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite: The continuing saga of greatness
  240. 2003-08-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Death in The Family
  241. 2003-08-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Death in The Family
  242. 2003-08-31 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video of the Meeting
  243. 2003-08-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video of the Meeting
  244. 2003-08-30 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] freshrpms.net
  245. 2003-08-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Video of the Meeting
  246. 2003-08-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] DRM is Theft
  247. 2003-08-29 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  248. 2003-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  249. 2003-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] DRM is Theft
  250. 2003-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  251. 2003-08-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  252. 2003-08-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [fairuse] DRM is Theft
  253. 2003-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DRM is Theft
  254. 2003-08-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  255. 2003-08-28 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gimp book (online)
  256. 2003-08-28 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Gimp book (online)
  257. 2003-08-28 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  258. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  259. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  260. 2003-08-28 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  261. 2003-08-28 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] head first java
  262. 2003-08-28 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> RE: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  263. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Whirlwindstate-at-aol.com: Fwd: MY Group Show " 9-11 Remembered"
  264. 2003-08-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  265. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  266. 2003-08-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  267. 2003-08-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  268. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Staten Island Events
  269. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  270. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  271. 2003-08-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME COnference
  272. 2003-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Edit mp3
  273. 2003-08-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME development summit approved
  274. 2003-08-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME development summit approved
  275. 2003-08-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Meeting
  276. 2003-08-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] scanner needed
  277. 2003-08-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] scanner needed
  278. 2003-08-27 Charles Nardino <cnardino-at-bway.net> Subject: [hangout] Edit mp3
  279. 2003-08-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [thomas-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: sendmail (SuSE-SA:2003:035)]
  280. 2003-08-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR for tonight
  281. 2003-08-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] PR for tonight
  282. 2003-08-26 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> RE: [hangout] PR for tonight
  283. 2003-08-26 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] PR for tonight
  284. 2003-08-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] PR for tonight
  285. 2003-08-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] COnsulting Oppurtunity with US Gov
  286. 2003-08-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  287. 2003-08-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  288. 2003-08-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  289. 2003-08-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting - Tues Aug 26, 2003
  290. 2003-08-20 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS' materials
  291. 2003-08-17 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Ultraleftism.
  292. 2003-08-17 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  293. 2003-08-16 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  294. 2003-08-16 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  295. 2003-08-15 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  296. 2003-08-14 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  297. 2003-08-14 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path

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