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MESSAGE
DATE 2003-08-13
FROM Ruben I Safir
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
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From: Ruben I Safir
To: Steve Milo
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Subject: Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
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The thing is that even without the DMCA, industry can lock down music, books and information
in such a way as to make access completely restricted, and you will NOT be able to unlock it
until hardware and software is available several generations better than todays which can bruet force
the keys.

Not all cryptography is flawed.

Ruben


On 2003.08.13 19:18 Steve Milo wrote:
>
> My latest rebuttal. Comments?
>
> Steve M
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: Steve Milo
> > Date: Wed Aug 13, 2003 17:12:15 America/Denver
> > To: slavik914-at-rennlist.com
> > Subject: Re: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:11:30 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Steve Milo
> > Reply-To: nmlug-at-nmlug.org
> > To: James Hamilton
> > Cc: nmlug-at-nmlug.org
> > Subject: Re: [NMLUG] OT Law.
> >
> >
> > This is a flawed argument because your condeming the public by implying
> > that no one has anything better to do than circumventing copyright
> > protection. Wether the products have any value is irrelevant and only
> > an
> > opinion and I was clear on that.
> > Further, I own only one CD that I can think of that has copied music.
> > It
> > is a collection of various artists that was given to me by a friend.
> > After listening to that CD I liked one of the artists and respect him
> > enought that I went out and bought one of his published CD's.
> > Otherwise I have personally chosen not to download music because
> > *I have better things to do*. Also, currently it is illegal
> > to circumvent digital copyright protection measures. So thinking of a
> > way around 'it' is a federal crime. It is currently illegal to play
> > DVD's
> > on a machine that contains Linux because of DeCSS closed source policy.
> > And the protection of the federal goverment that prohibits any
> > circumvention of digital copyright. So even the open source
> > alternatives
> > are illegal because of this.
> > What if this law was around twenty some odd years ago when IBM's BIOS
> > was
> > reverse engineered?
> >
> > One of the largest consumers of downloaded music were the people
> > serving
> > in the military. They almost became federal criminals nearly overnight
> > when the DMCA was enacted.
> > But yet the music they downloaded had given a sense of what they were
> > fighting for. If laws similar to the DMCA were enacted in WW2, there
> > would have been no nose art on the bombers or fighters. Mickey Mouse
> > would not have been a code word in the trenches. Based on these
> > examples
> > it didnt take much to keep the soldiers motivated and inspired.
> > I havent served in the military so I can only imagine how the littlest
> > evidence of what I would miss from home would mean to me.
> >
> > The consumable goods analogies are painfully flawed and stem from the
> > federal goverment vs Microsoft monopoly suit. The analogy back then
> > was
> > 'think of Microsoft as a one big supermarket and in this supermarket
> > are
> > all kinds of products'. Thats all fine and dandy
> > but there is more than one supermarket in the real world. And those
> > supermarkets usually play nice. Walmart doesnt try to stifle the
> > distribution of goods to other supermarkets. They just undercut
> > everyone
> > else in price and carry more products than any one store. They find
> > the
> > quality point in the customers mind and aim right at it. They dont use
> > federal measures to try to protect themselves. They play by the rules
> > and
> > they do it right. They dont steal and they dont pretend that they
> > invented the idea of one store carrying multiple goods.
> >
> > If my neighbor comes over and asks for a cup of sugar I dont have to
> > worry
> > about infringing on a copyright of sugar. My neighbor doesnt have to
> > worry about
> > infringing on a copyright by using the word sugar to ask me.
> > In fact neither my neighbor nor I have to worry about using the brand
> > name 'Domino sugar' or 'Walmart brand sugar' to ask for sugar. Or
> > cereal
> > for that matter.
> > The method for distribution of sugar or cereal does not require by
> > federal
> > law, nor is there any such law that protects the possiblity that I
> > have to
> > actually carry around a special ID card to be able to purchase any
> > particular brand of sugar or cereal.
> > I go to the store, I choose the cereal I want, I pay for it at the
> > counter
> > and it is mine to be consumed and share with who I see fit.
> > To take this one step further, there are no cameras in my bathroom or
> > my
> > neighbors bathroom to detect if the cereal that I ate was borrowed or
> > purchased.
> > Not that that sort of technology doesnt exist and couldnt be
> > implemented.
> > Thankfully congress doesnt have the stomach to digest that kind of
> > measure, but there are laws that resemble this.
> > However the technology and law do exist which prohibit me from
> > shoplifting (i.e. gaining unauthorized access) to the cereal).
> > By the same token the technology and law does exist that prohibits
> > me from gaining unauthorized access to so called intellectual property.
> > That is, without a federaly enforced measure that requires it to be
> > installed in my home.
> >
> > The first amendment:
> > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
> > prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
> > speech,
> > or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and
> > to
> > petition the goverment for a redress of grievances.
> >
> > The fourth amendment:
> > No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
> > crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in
> > cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in
> > actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be
> > subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
> > limb;
> > nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against
> > himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without *due
> > process of law*; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
> > without just compensation.
> >
> > The Constitution states:
> > To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for
> > limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their
> > respective writings and discoveries.
> >
> > Any media distributor can establish a way to centrally control
> > unauthorized access without me having to worry about being monitored
> > in my
> > own home.
> >
> > However this is what is being implemented with Microsofts Palladium
> > and the 'fritz chip' that is being implemented in AMD's Opteron
> > with Intel following closesly behind.
> > Eavesdropping masquerading as security to protect companies and
> > idustries
> > that have trouble standing on its own merit.
> > How long before any content on the internet is required that *every*
> > computer require 'trusted computing platforms'. Otherwise be denied
> > access to the internet all together. The NYU example of using
> > vitalbooks
> > is just the beginning, this is beyond eavesdropping this is putting a
> > chokehold on the free exchange of information by the few who stand to
> > gain
> > financially from it.
> > Earning money is not unconstitutional and I'm not against someone
> > making a
> > living. I am against someone making a living when it is detrimental
> > to my
> > personal growth and the laws enacted that are designed to enforce that
> > stiflement.
> >
> > I am also within my Constitional right to voice my greviances on this
> > matter. Which I will and I encourage others to do the same by letting
> > your/our congressman know where the DMCA is flawed and detrimental.
> >
> > This is not a 'libertarian, democrat, republican' issue. This is a
> > fundamental issue that concerns every American citizen from now till as
> > long as such laws stay enacted. It isnt a matter of trusting the FCC
> > or
> > the FTC. It is a matter of every citizen taking the responsibility
> > that
> > is required of him or her to be aware and let these goverment
> > institutions
> > know when they make an important decision based on flawed evidence.
> > It is not in our best interest to be lulled into a sense of
> > complacency through the paranoia of someone who has a strangle hold on
> > information.
> > It is a matter of keeping the free exchange of information available
> > for generation to come.
> > And wether you want to believe it or not the DMCA is detrimental to
> > national security. It is so very possible that any new discoveries
> > in science can be limited to distribution on copyrighted DVD's to
> > certain
> > university students. Keeping the American people ignorant and passive
> > through federaly enforced measures sets a poor example for the rest of
> > the
> > world.
> > George Orwells 1984 is closer to reality now than some people might
> > lead you to believe. This is technology the Soviet Union would have
> > been
> > afraid of.
> >
> > Steve M
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, James Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> The consumer is telling the music and motion picture industry that
> >> the offered
> >> products don't fit their needs. Consumers bypass this by coming up
> >> with
> >> alternate unregulatable sources for distribution. It really doesn't
> >> matter
> >> what the copyright holders do or say people will continue to rip off
> >> music
> >> and video so long as it's in their best interest to do so. Why would
> >> the
> >> masses rip off music or video if it were offered at a reasonable
> >> price in
> >> a high quality format? I don't argue that the offered products have
> >> no value
> >> just that the cost far outweighs the benefit you get from purchasing.
> >> We
> >> generally refer to products like this as 'overpriced'. In most
> >> situations the
> >> market corrects itself, look at cereal prices before the 'no name
> >> brands'
> >> became a big deal in stores. There is no real argument here,
> >> consumers have
> >> spoken. Media distributors can choose to capitulate or they will be
> >> replaced
> >> with no name brand cereal, I mean replaced by consumer friendly media
> >> distributors. The recording and motion picture industries do not
> >> (even as a
> >> combine unit) have the means necessary to force the issue in the way
> >> they
> >> are attempting to.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 11:58:21AM -0700, wes robbins wrote:
> >>> All I can say to this is the Last two CD's I got (21.99)(17.99). I
> >>> got to my car listened to them. First song was so bad I skimmed the
> >>> rest. The second CD had one new song and 14 version Of GO on it.
> >>> And walked back in side to return it. Found out that If you open
> >>> the CD your not aloud to return it.
> >>>
> >>> Those were the last two Cd's I have purchased.
> >>>
> >>> Don Wilde wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Don, I don't trust any *SINGLE* media outlet tell me the truth about
> >>>> anything. I like news aggregators like Google News
> >>>> (http://news.google.com)
> >>>> or Unknown News (http://www.unknownnews.net).
> >>>>
> >>> Agreed. One of my first projects once my regular PostUpPal is a
> >>> working
> >>> success is to add trust metrics to the content for my users.
> >>> --
> >>> Don Wilde ---------> Silver Lynx <----------
> >>> Raising the Trajectory of Human Development
> >>> ---------------------------------------------
> >>> http://www.Silver-Lynx.com 001-505-891-4175
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >> --
> >>
> >> James
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  46. 2003-08-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Playtime
  47. 2003-08-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] How does this work?
  48. 2003-08-21 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] How does this work?
  49. 2003-08-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] How does this work?
  50. 2003-08-21 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] How does this work?
  51. 2003-08-21 From: "David Sugar" <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Organizing the GNOME Developers Conference
  52. 2003-08-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Felten, 08/28/03
  53. 2003-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Orientation
  54. 2003-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Felten, 08/28/03
  55. 2003-08-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Organizing the GNOME Developers Conference
  56. 2003-08-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] LAMP+XML developer (onsite), United States, DC, Washington]
  57. 2003-08-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Senior Engineer / Analyst (onsite), United States, MA, Cambridge
  58. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Laptops for All
  59. 2003-08-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Laptops for All
  60. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Democracy and the Information Revolution
  61. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Connecting Kids to Technology: Challenges and Opportunities
  62. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Laptops for All
  63. 2003-08-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Crossfire client for OSX...
  64. 2003-08-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Felten, 08/28/03
  65. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Two on Backfire of SCO's "Smoking Gun"
  66. 2003-08-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] SAMBA News (19th Aug, 2003) SCO use of Samba code u
  67. 2003-08-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS' materials
  68. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO users divided over GPL
  69. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Readers respond: SCO's McBride doesn't speak for IT in IBM fight
  70. 2003-08-20 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Nothing is Forever
  71. 2003-08-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SAMBA News (19th Aug, 2003) SCO use of Samba code under the GPL
  72. 2003-08-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS' materials
  73. 2003-08-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] IBM Article: Use the /proc filesystem to get a han
  74. 2003-08-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Nothing is Forever
  75. 2003-08-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Board Minutes
  76. 2003-08-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Nothing is Forever
  77. 2003-08-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday Night Gnome Development Meeting
  78. 2003-08-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS' materials
  79. 2003-08-19 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS' materials
  80. 2003-08-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM Article: Use the /proc filesystem to get a handle on your sy
  81. 2003-08-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] DistroWatch/SuSe arrogance.
  82. 2003-08-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME summit update and Kings Games on Wednesday
  83. 2003-08-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] CRN Interview: SuSE Linux CEO / Face to Face Richard Seibt SuSE's CEO
  84. 2003-08-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME summit update and Kings Games on Wednesday
  85. 2003-08-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 11, 18 August 2003
  86. 2003-08-19 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] GNOME summit update and Kings Games on Wednesday
  87. 2003-08-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] mod_perl/Linux Software Engineer for SSL VPN Leader (onsite), United States, New Jersey [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  88. 2003-08-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME summit update and Kings Games on Wednesday
  89. 2003-08-18 Robert Marino <prmarino-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Operating Systems...
  90. 2003-08-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Guadec 5
  91. 2003-08-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] GUADEC REPORT: The counter proposal from the GNOME board...
  92. 2003-08-17 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Safe to read.
  93. 2003-08-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Safe to read.
  94. 2003-08-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  95. 2003-08-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] EULA Law
  96. 2003-08-17 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  97. 2003-08-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  98. 2003-08-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Ultra..
  99. 2003-08-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: General membership and board meeting
  100. 2003-08-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  101. 2003-08-17 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  102. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Ultraleftism.
  103. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Operating Systems...
  104. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] OS/2/IBM/Banks.
  105. 2003-08-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  106. 2003-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  107. 2003-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  108. 2003-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wiki (fwd)
  109. 2003-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  110. 2003-08-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  111. 2003-08-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  112. 2003-08-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Wiki (fwd)
  113. 2003-08-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Wiki (fwd)
  114. 2003-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  115. 2003-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  116. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Satellite that was knocked out a few years ago.
  117. 2003-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] crossfire tonight?
  118. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] crossfire tonight?
  119. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  120. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  121. 2003-08-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Welcome back.
  122. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  123. 2003-08-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  124. 2003-08-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Where were you when the lights went off?
  125. 2003-08-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] more GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  126. 2003-08-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  127. 2003-08-14 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  128. 2003-08-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  129. 2003-08-13 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  130. 2003-08-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM and banking
  131. 2003-08-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM and banking
  132. 2003-08-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  133. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  134. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  135. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  136. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: #357: Pipes in NYPost on "The Terrorist Next Door" (Hawash case) [dplist-at-danielpipes.org]
  137. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  138. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  139. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  140. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Interesting Holes in MS
  141. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Your Linux Today Security Letter for August 13, 2003 [reply-478d-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com]
  142. 2003-08-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  143. 2003-08-13 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  144. 2003-08-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  145. 2003-08-13 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  146. 2003-08-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  147. 2003-08-13 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME foundation seeks host city for Guadec 5
  148. 2003-08-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  149. 2003-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  150. 2003-08-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  151. 2003-08-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  152. 2003-08-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [NMLUG] OT Law. (fwd)
  153. 2003-08-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General membership and board meeting
  154. 2003-08-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Killarney Rose arises from the Ashes.....
  155. 2003-08-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Killarney Rose arises from the Ashes.....
  156. 2003-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night continues
  157. 2003-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  158. 2003-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  159. 2003-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl/ASP Developer (telecommute), United States, Texas, Austin]
  160. 2003-08-09 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] How is this for FUD.
  161. 2003-08-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] IBM counter sues SCO
  162. 2003-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM counter sues SCO
  163. 2003-08-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  164. 2003-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] IBM counter sues SCO
  165. 2003-08-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM counter sues SCO
  166. 2003-08-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  167. 2003-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  168. 2003-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lycoris Users Immune to SCO Licensing
  169. 2003-08-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  170. 2003-08-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lindows continues its PC push
  171. 2003-08-08 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] IBM countersues SCO
  172. 2003-08-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IBM countersues SCO
  173. 2003-08-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need info on Microsofts licensing tactics.
  174. 2003-08-08 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Need info on Microsofts licensing tactics.
  175. 2003-08-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [lordvolton-at-yahoo.com: Re: Your legal rights against SCO.]
  176. 2003-08-07 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] IBM countersues SCO
  177. 2003-08-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM countersues SCO
  178. 2003-08-07 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] This could be a problem.
  179. 2003-08-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [lordvolton-at-yahoo.com: Re: Your legal rights against SCO.]
  180. 2003-08-06 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Help Editing
  181. 2003-08-06 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Progress on Mandrake G4 install.
  182. 2003-08-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Tonight?
  183. 2003-08-06 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Editors Needed Imediately - available
  184. 2003-08-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  185. 2003-08-06 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  186. 2003-08-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting
  187. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting
  188. 2003-08-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting
  189. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  190. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Job: United States, NJ, Trenton
  191. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  192. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  193. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  194. 2003-08-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  195. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Idea for NYLXS.
  196. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Idea for NYLXS.
  197. 2003-08-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Idea for NYLXS.
  198. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Idea for NYLXS.
  199. 2003-08-05 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Re:Crossfire Server
  200. 2003-08-05 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Editors Needed Imediately
  201. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Crossfire Server
  202. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  203. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  204. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL
  205. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Editors Needed Imediately
  206. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Editors Needed Imediately
  207. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell Acquires Ximian
  208. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] need a person for PHP & MySQL project
  209. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] DBI/CGI Programmer (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  210. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  211. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] re:I want to learn linux
  212. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] RedHat sues SCO for deceptive business practices.
  213. 2003-08-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Red Hat fires back at SCO in Linux fight
  214. 2003-08-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] It may have been for naught...
  215. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] It may have been for naught...
  216. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] OpenOffice...
  217. 2003-08-04 From: "J L" <lokokool-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] re:I want to learn linux
  218. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] I want to learn linux
  219. 2003-08-04 From: "J L" <lokokool-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [hangout] I want to learn linux
  220. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  221. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: RE: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  222. 2003-08-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] KDE security questions.
  223. 2003-08-04 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] need a person for PHP & MySQL project
  224. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob and Evan
  225. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Road Trip
  226. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Rob and Evan
  227. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Novell Acquires Ximian
  228. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Road Trip
  229. 2003-08-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Road Trip
  230. 2003-08-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell Acquires Ximian
  231. 2003-08-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: postfix (SuSE-SA:2003:033)]
  232. 2003-08-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night
  233. 2003-08-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] a question about network.
  234. 2003-08-03 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] a question about network.
  235. 2003-08-03 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] My Present Situation
  236. 2003-08-03 akbar pasha <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Perl developer (onsite), United States, Ny, Brooklyn]
  237. 2003-08-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Death in The Family] (fwd)
  238. 2003-08-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show tonite
  239. 2003-08-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite: The continuing saga of greatness
  240. 2003-08-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Death in The Family
  241. 2003-08-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Death in The Family
  242. 2003-08-31 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video of the Meeting
  243. 2003-08-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video of the Meeting
  244. 2003-08-30 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] freshrpms.net
  245. 2003-08-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Video of the Meeting
  246. 2003-08-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] DRM is Theft
  247. 2003-08-29 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Interesting article on Valenti in this months Business2.0.
  248. 2003-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  249. 2003-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] DRM is Theft
  250. 2003-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  251. 2003-08-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  252. 2003-08-29 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [fairuse] DRM is Theft
  253. 2003-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DRM is Theft
  254. 2003-08-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  255. 2003-08-28 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gimp book (online)
  256. 2003-08-28 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Gimp book (online)
  257. 2003-08-28 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  258. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  259. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  260. 2003-08-28 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  261. 2003-08-28 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] head first java
  262. 2003-08-28 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> RE: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  263. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Whirlwindstate-at-aol.com: Fwd: MY Group Show " 9-11 Remembered"
  264. 2003-08-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  265. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  266. 2003-08-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  267. 2003-08-28 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  268. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Staten Island Events
  269. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use ==> NYACSH switch other
  270. 2003-08-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyers for Classes
  271. 2003-08-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME COnference
  272. 2003-08-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Edit mp3
  273. 2003-08-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME development summit approved
  274. 2003-08-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME development summit approved
  275. 2003-08-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Meeting
  276. 2003-08-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] scanner needed
  277. 2003-08-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] scanner needed
  278. 2003-08-27 Charles Nardino <cnardino-at-bway.net> Subject: [hangout] Edit mp3
  279. 2003-08-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [thomas-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: sendmail (SuSE-SA:2003:035)]
  280. 2003-08-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR for tonight
  281. 2003-08-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] PR for tonight
  282. 2003-08-26 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> RE: [hangout] PR for tonight
  283. 2003-08-26 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] PR for tonight
  284. 2003-08-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] PR for tonight
  285. 2003-08-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] COnsulting Oppurtunity with US Gov
  286. 2003-08-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  287. 2003-08-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  288. 2003-08-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] No plans to sue Linux companies, says SCO
  289. 2003-08-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting - Tues Aug 26, 2003
  290. 2003-08-20 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS' materials
  291. 2003-08-17 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Ultraleftism.
  292. 2003-08-17 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  293. 2003-08-16 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  294. 2003-08-16 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  295. 2003-08-15 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  296. 2003-08-14 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
  297. 2003-08-14 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path

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