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From: Rick Moen
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
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Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu):
> On 03/22/2015 03:32 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> >However, I do inadvertently test the dining room one, almost every time
> >I cook in my oven or use the stove for anything except soup or boiling
> yeah, that IS the problem...
FWIW, every time it goes off because I'm doing something normal with the
stove, I reach up to the smoke detector and bring it down to waist
level, placing it on a bookcase to make it shut up. After I'm done
cooking, I replace it to its normal spot near the dining room ceiling.
If hypothetically it were necessary to yank a smoke detector battery to
shut up a false alarm from cooking, I'd make a particular point of
putting it back when I'm done cooking.
I'm sure (even though I've not tested this) that a smoke detector moved
to 3' off the ground will still sound from smoke filling the corridor
from a real fire.
If my house were mostly populated by short people instead of my 5' 11"
Scandinavian self and my mesomorph wife and mother-in-law, I'd remount
all smoke detectors to within people's reach.
If normal cooking routinely filled the top storey of my residence with
cooking smoke, I'd find a way to vent it. Cracking open a window for
1/2 hour isn't 'work' (melakhah) according to halakah. In February in
Brooklyn among the shomer shabbos, that would add to the heating bill,
but one would find a way to manage.
Plucking a smoke detector off the wall and putting it temporarily on a
bookcase doesn't sound like melakhah either, but maybe I should ask you
rather than telling you. ;->
Cooking often creates smoke, yes. Leaving a hotplate running from a
Friday kavod shabbos to after the Saturday evening havdalah doesn't
create smoke. So, no need to touch in any way smoke detectors simply
for that, just for cooking. But I cannot see that handling them in a
shabbos-compliant fashion would require leaving them turned off.
I wouldn't turn the smoke detectors off. Preferably none of them, but
definitely not all.
Obviously, Sabbath observation isn't in the picture within my house of
goyish Scandinavians and Scandi-Hibernians, but I can't see why an
observant family would feel a practical need to leave household smoke
detectors turned off, let alone all of them, on account of cooking or
for any other reason. Maybe I'm missing something.
(Out of respect for the dead and suffering, I'm talking about me and
about generic Orthodox households, not about the victims.)