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DATE 2015-03-22
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
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On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 01:47:29PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> Quoting Ruben Safir (mrbrklyn-at-panix.com):
>
> > FWIW, mine doesn't have a battery.
>
> That seems very strange. It would silently fail to work during a power
> outage, then? (It functions only when AC is flowing?) I don't actually
> 'get' how that can even qualify as a smoke detector. Maybe you need to
> purchase some real ones. Mail order has those, among many other sources.
> Home Depot will ship to Brooklyn, even Williamsburg.[1]
>
> > But if the average joe keeps pulling the device off the wall and
> > putting it back, 2x a day, it will not work in short order.
>
> So, Don't Do That, Then. (You say that's necessary, but not why.)
>
> You never answered my question about what requires this switching-off
> treatment.


I'm relly struggling right now with funerals and kernels, but I thought
that it would be obvious that the reason for an off button was so you
could turn it off.... like when you are COOKING, and then turn it ON...
say like when you are sleeping and need extra protection.

It is about bending the device to the WILL of the user so that the user
doesn't use the thing like a frizbee because he didn't get layed the
night before and is hung over when the thing goes off after his toast is
burnt?

Nuh?

In houses the overwhelming number of deaths happen at night when people
are asleep...

So you make it a routine. Turn off the lights, lock the door, turn on
the fire detector?

Nuh? Brilliant? I think so.

Ruben

First Alert Model No SC9120B



> I can imagine moving to a more-compact house (have done that
> in the past) and living in a house with two storeys and a basement (have
> done that in the past) instead of my small one-floor ranch. I can
> imagine moving to a snowbelt region like the NYC tri-state area (have
> done that in the past, attending college in central NJ). Hypothetically
> carrying my five smoke detectors and one CO2 detector to that imaginary
> new residence somewhere near NYC, I expect I'd mount them on the walls
> high but within residents' reach, one in each bedroom, one in an
> upper-floor corridor, and one about 8-10' away from the kitchen.
>
> And, regardless of how I picture that turning out, I cannot currently
> imagine any scenario that would impel my family to switch off all five
> of my household's smoke detectors for any reason. Because then there
> would be nothing to wake me up before being asphyxiated by smoke during
> any nighttime fire.
>
> If they one near the kitchen goes off when I cook, I'd stride four steps
> over, yank it down to a waist-high shelf to shut it up, and put it back
> after cooking. If ones in upstairs living space went off when I cook,
> I'd have someone upstairs do the foregoing or open a window while
> cooking is going on. We're not Jewish, let alone shomer shabbes, but
> those remedies suffice and (I'm pretty sure) break no mitzvot even
> during Shabbes for observant families.
>
> Yes, I imagine that cooking isn't the sole problem. Two Shabbes candles
> during Kabbalat Shabbat and one for Havdalah doubtless sometimes set off
> a smoke detector -- but, move it temporarily to a lower shelf, and/or
> open a window temporarily. Those are not melakhot, right?
>
> Some of the greatest minds on the planet are Haredim or Modern Orthodox
> or Hasids. I'm having a difficult time believing nobody among those
> three groups of scholars has figured out a better solution than 'Switch
> all the smoke decectors off and leave them that way.'
>
> There are rumours that some yeshiva buchers can even use a screwdriver,
> and dexterity with 9V batteries is not out of the question even if Rav
> Josef Caro didn't mention them.
>
> Hypothetically if ones upstairs were driving me out of my mind with
> continually having to take those measures to shut them up, I might be
> driven the reduce the number upstairs, so only one upstairs required
> babysitting. But I can't imagine doing without one near the kitchen and
> at least one in living space.
>
> You say some large percentage of families get driven to switch all of
> theirs off. OK, feel invited to explain that, if you please. Or not,
> if you don't wish to address the key point and imagine that emotional
> tub-thumping rhetoric is somehow productive.
>
> > They are not designed well...largely because they are more concerned
> > with making money on mandates then producing usable goods.
>
> Once again, circular reasoning -- and impugning motives that aren't
> actually relevant to the subject.
>
> Maybe instead of continual haranguing and repeating your assertions --
> which you might some day realise never sways what people think who don't
> already agree with you -- you might address my question about
> specifically _why_ families would find it necessary and reasonable.
>
> > You can't reach my ceilings either, which is weird because they are
> > actually lower than my old house, but still much taller than my standing
> > on a tall bar stool. Are they 13 feet high ??
>
> One session with a ladder and screwdriver, and you can move the thing.
> If you're saying it's in an AC socket and has no battery (which
> contradicts the essential characteristics of a 'smoke detector', seems
> to me), then move it to an extension cord and mount it on the wall
> within reach. Or, better yet, buy a real smoke-detector replacement
> that runs on a 9V battery, like every single one *I* have ever seen, and
> get rid of any that cease to function during a power outage.
>
>
> [1] Speaking of horrors, even visited the Prison Ship Martyrs' Monument
> in Fort Greene Park? It's a reminder of how incredibly brutal the
> American Revolutionary War was. The British had almost no jails and
> accumulated tens of thousands of Patriot soldiers and suspect civilians.
> So, they just put them on sixteen infamous decrepit ships in Wallabout
> Bay and let them slowly die of disease or starvation -- or, if they were
> lucky, summary execution. Far more Patriots died there than in the
> war's battles put together: Captured Patriot soldiers didn't qualify for
> treatment as enemy soldiers because the USA government wasn't recognised
> and was by default treated as a criminal revolt, so its soldiers were by
> British law treated the way murderers and traitors would be treated back
> home. Also, until the Battle of Saratoga and surrender of Burgoyne's
> entire army to the Americans, General Howe and the other British
> generals had no fear of retaliation in kind to their own side. FWIW,
> General Washington ordered that all captured Loyalists, British
> Regulars, and Hessians be treated humanely from the very beginning.
> There was no reprisal for the prison ships.
>

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  87. 2015-03-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: GPL complaints
  88. 2015-03-15 Ruben <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Kernel Mailing List Social Protocols
  89. 2015-03-15 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Kernel Mailing List Social Protocols
  90. 2015-03-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Kernel Mailing List Social Protocols
  91. 2015-03-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Kernel Mailing List Social Protocols
  92. 2015-03-15 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: GPL complaints
  93. 2015-03-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] taking account
  94. 2015-03-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Perl Games
  95. 2015-03-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal thus far
  96. 2015-03-16 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Perl Games
  97. 2015-03-16 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Gaussian Elimination and the Inner Product
  98. 2015-03-16 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Perl Games
  99. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: Learning about the Kernal
  100. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: NYC local: UNIGROUP 19-MAR-2015 (Thu): Penguin Computing presents
  101. 2015-03-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS and Rassbery Pie
  102. 2015-03-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  103. 2015-03-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] cable crimping
  104. 2015-03-17 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Hackers Meeting Tonight
  105. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Expanding Mozilla Tech
  106. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux now eating at Windows?
  107. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  108. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FSF supports lawsuite against VMWARE for GPL violations
  109. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FSF supports lawsuite against VMWARE for GPL
  110. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FSF supports lawsuite against VMWARE for GPL
  111. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Watch Your Freedom (Because Apple's Not)
  112. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Don't publicly share materials from this course, including your
  113. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS and Rassbery Pie
  114. 2015-03-17 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Hackers Meeting Tonight
  115. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] epub format
  116. 2015-03-17 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS and Rassbery Pie
  117. 2015-03-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  118. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  119. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  120. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  121. 2015-03-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  122. 2015-03-17 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  123. 2015-03-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  124. 2015-03-17 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] epub format
  125. 2015-03-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  126. 2015-03-17 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  127. 2015-03-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  128. 2015-03-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Fwd: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Community Funding
  129. 2015-03-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  130. 2015-03-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  131. 2015-03-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  132. 2015-03-18 Ruben <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  133. 2015-03-18 Ruben <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  134. 2015-03-18 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [csconnection-at-computer.org: Only 6 Days Left: Register for FREE
  135. 2015-03-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  136. 2015-03-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  137. 2015-03-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple crimes
  138. 2015-03-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Business and Bank Accounts
  139. 2015-03-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Radio Show
  140. 2015-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Space at LIU for meetings and Instruction
  141. 2015-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple Buster
  142. 2015-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Movies of the Week
  143. 2015-03-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apple Buster
  144. 2015-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] put your files everywhere
  145. 2015-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Center for Entrepreneurship + Innovation
  146. 2015-03-19 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Radio Show
  147. 2015-03-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Virtualbox (was: Apple crimes)
  148. 2015-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Radio Show
  149. 2015-03-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graduate School and Oppurtunities
  150. 2015-03-20 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jkeen-at-verizon.net: 2nd New York City Perl Hackathon: hold the
  151. 2015-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mozilla Linux needs help **no shit**
  152. 2015-03-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Brunch and Journal Club Meeting
  153. 2015-03-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA Crimes
  154. 2015-03-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MTA Crimes
  155. 2015-03-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  156. 2015-03-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Steam Games
  157. 2015-03-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  158. 2015-03-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  159. 2015-03-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  160. 2015-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  161. 2015-03-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  162. 2015-03-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  163. 2015-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  164. 2015-03-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  165. 2015-03-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  166. 2015-03-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  167. 2015-03-22 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Steam Games
  168. 2015-03-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  169. 2015-03-22 Ruben <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Steam Games
  170. 2015-03-22 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jkeen-at-verizon.net: New York City Perl Hackathon 2015: Registration
  171. 2015-03-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  172. 2015-03-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  173. 2015-03-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  174. 2015-03-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stop and frisk
  175. 2015-03-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Cromwell Linux Pages
  176. 2015-03-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  177. 2015-03-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  178. 2015-03-22 Ruben <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  179. 2015-03-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stop and frisk
  180. 2015-03-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] in the hands of god, we are all...
  181. 2015-03-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Cromwell Linux Pages
  182. 2015-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kernel Hacking text for free
  183. 2015-03-23 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [gabor-at-szabgab.com: [Perlweekly] #191 - Hackathon after Hackathon]
  184. 2015-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Tuesday Night
  185. 2015-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Announcement II
  186. 2015-03-23 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Announcement II
  187. 2015-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Announcement II
  188. 2015-03-23 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Tuesday Night
  189. 2015-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Tuesday Night
  190. 2015-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  191. 2015-03-24 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  192. 2015-03-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Printed journal
  193. 2015-03-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  194. 2015-03-24 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  195. 2015-03-24 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Printed journal
  196. 2015-03-24 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  197. 2015-03-24 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  198. 2015-03-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  199. 2015-03-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  200. 2015-03-24 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  201. 2015-03-24 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Raspberry Pi Articles
  202. 2015-03-24 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  203. 2015-03-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  204. 2015-03-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  205. 2015-03-24 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  206. 2015-03-24 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  207. 2015-03-24 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  208. 2015-03-24 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  209. 2015-03-24 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  210. 2015-03-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  211. 2015-03-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1
  212. 2015-03-24 Ruben <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  213. 2015-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Threaded Programming example
  214. 2015-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [LIU Comp Sci] GNU/Linux 1
  215. 2015-03-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  216. 2015-03-25 Ruben <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [LIU Comp Sci] GNU/Linux 1
  217. 2015-03-25 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1
  218. 2015-03-25 Ruben <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  219. 2015-03-25 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [LIU Comp Sci] GNU/Linux 1
  220. 2015-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1
  221. 2015-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1
  222. 2015-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1
  223. 2015-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Logo?
  224. 2015-03-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Proposed Space
  225. 2015-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Java Crimes
  226. 2015-03-25 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1
  227. 2015-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1
  228. 2015-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Threads and Speed
  229. 2015-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jobs jobs
  230. 2015-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Earning Money
  231. 2015-03-25 Ruben <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [opensuse] No /etc/sysconfig/kernel installed in 13.2.
  232. 2015-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Welcome Back Brooklyn / Next Steps
  233. 2015-03-25 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Threads and Speed
  234. 2015-03-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kernel Learning Resource - #1
  235. 2015-03-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1
  236. 2015-03-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bash Shell tricks
  237. 2015-03-27 Ruben <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] On Mulitboot with UEFI
  238. 2015-03-27 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYC Tech Council & STEM Funding
  239. 2015-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] On Mulitboot with UEFI
  240. 2015-03-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Jobs
  241. 2015-03-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] JOUNAL MEETING AT 10AM TOMORROW
  242. 2015-03-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] HW 4.18 Problem
  243. 2015-03-31 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] buying a new home
  244. 2015-03-31 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The systemd Project Forks the Linux Kernel
  245. 2015-03-31 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The systemd Project Forks the Linux Kernel
  246. 2015-03-31 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The systemd Project Forks the Linux Kernel
  247. 2015-03-31 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The systemd Project Forks the Linux Kernel
  248. 2015-03-31 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The systemd Project Forks the Linux Kernel

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