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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:21:43 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
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On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 10:32:28AM +0100, Andreas Enge wrote:
> Hello Sandra,
> thanks a lot for your personal account and well-argumented description
> of how you see the situation.
It is only well argued if you either A) Come from France or B) Can't
talk without lying about people and making things up.
Repeatedly saying the RMS is a child molester is not well-argued. It is
slander and fraud.
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 05:22:03PM -0600, Sandra Loosemore wrote:
> > The absolute worst thing the public-facing representative
> > of *any* organization can do is bring negative publicity to the organization
> > about things that are irrelevant or contrary to the organization's mission.
> > As a result of RMS's comments, all of a sudden the public conversation about
> > the GNU project was not about how good our software is and how free software
> > is taking over the world and beneficial to everybody, it was about how we're
> > an organization with an ingrained culture of harassing and demeaning women,
> > (...)
> > It's been a public relations disaster for the GNU project. :-(
> > IMO, to regain control of our public image, I think we have to take some
> > explicit and public steps to disassociate the GNU project from RMS's
> > comments.
> This was indeed my main motivation to sign the open letter at
> so if people ask me about it I will direct them to your message :-)
Noone with half a brain believes that.
> > It has bothered me for a long time that there are so few women participating
> > in the GNU community. I think I might be the only female maintainer on
> > either GCC/Binutils right now (I haven't gone through the lists, but the
> > others I used to know about have stepped down). The photos of the attendees
> > at recent Cauldrons show a group that is roughly 99% male. The steering
> > committee is 100% male. There is something wrong with our community that we
> > cannot attract more women, and we need to fix it, because a developer
> > community that consists almost exclusively of old white men is not
> > sustainable.
> Do you have ideas on how to change that, maybe on a per-package basis?
> For instance, did you experience things in GCC/Binutils or in other
> environments that you think might help to attract more women, or more
> generally to make diverse groups of potential contributors feel more
Giving credibilty to a known lyer and slander is not doing you any
favors Andeas. This isn't France where irrational nut cases storm the
government in orange coats every day.
You should quit while your a head, because your angering the ***good***
people in this matter and siding with a lynch mob.
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