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| DATE | 2019-11-05 |
| FROM | Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com>
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
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From: Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
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Brandon Invergo wrote:
> Dmitry Alexandrov writes:
>> I=CA=BCm afraid, you conflated two points. Publicity that undermine the=
core competency of an organization =E2=80=94 yes, is perhaps is the most h=
armful thing for it.
>>
>> While negative publicity on irrelevant topics is either much less harmfu=
l, or sometimes even beneficial.
>>
>> Dr. Stallman has been always, in almost every his speech, pointed out, t=
hat in terms of publicity everything is still so bad, that he has to strugg=
le to make it known that GNU and free software movement in general merely e=
xist. And that they are not the same as Linux=C2=AE and =E2=80=98open sour=
ce=E2=80=99, in particular.
>>
>> Under that conditions, any kind of public attention to GNU should be wel=
coming.
>
> As I previously requested, please let's drop discussions of particular pe=
ople, especially when it comes to what they said or did outside of GNU. I =
know you are not attacking but standing in rms's defense
No, I actually did not defend him specifically. If Sandra have posted her =
rant not here, but in some place where it could reach those who are unaware=
of free software, I would present the very same arguments in her defence.
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Brandon Invergo wrote:
> Dmitry Alexandrov writes:
>> I=CA=BCm afraid, you conflated two points. Publicity that undermine the=
core competency of an organization =E2=80=94 yes, is perhaps is the most h=
armful thing for it.
>>
>> While negative publicity on irrelevant topics is either much less harmfu=
l, or sometimes even beneficial.
>>
>> Dr. Stallman has been always, in almost every his speech, pointed out, t=
hat in terms of publicity everything is still so bad, that he has to strugg=
le to make it known that GNU and free software movement in general merely e=
xist. And that they are not the same as Linux=C2=AE and =E2=80=98open sour=
ce=E2=80=99, in particular.
>>
>> Under that conditions, any kind of public attention to GNU should be wel=
coming.
>
> As I previously requested, please let's drop discussions of particular pe=
ople, especially when it comes to what they said or did outside of GNU. I =
know you are not attacking but standing in rms's defense
No, I actually did not defend him specifically. If Sandra have posted her =
rant not here, but in some place where it could reach those who are unaware=
of free software, I would present the very same arguments in her defence.
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