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DATE 2019-11-05
FROM Alexandre =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Garreau
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Filtering indirection [Was: Re: list moderation]
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 18:17:16 CET, vous avez écrit :
> Samuel Thibault writes:
> > Wow, this is so welcoming a community...
> >
> > Samuel

I initially thought that was in answer to a message of mine, because my MUA
placed it under…

> Ruben has been placed under moderation and I rejected the message that
> you are referring to. If you received it, it's because he sent it to
> you personally (I guess by scraping the email addresses of everyone who
> has participated). I will see what options are available to us.

That raises two problems, a social and a technical one.

The second, technical, for censorship failure, is that to solve this problem
currently involves better knowledge from users. That can be expected of
Samuel… but will everybody know it? We must find a (likely technical, at
least) solution, as if people won’t learn how to personally block/filter
someone (possibly easily, collectively, or maybe even automatically), maybe
one day people will argue something such as “develop international procedures
so to force mail servers censor mail or shut down mail servers by force or
ignoring from other lawful mail servers” that would break the internet we
know. Imagine gmail doing that.

For instance, I first thought “but… you should not say *that* about *that* mail
if it didn’t got the List-Id/List-Post!”, but that’s too technical (it’s a
problem most MUA currently don’t treat specially by default list messages),
and then “MUA shouldn’t include the list address if there’s not the lists
headers” …but that’s negative reaction: wouldn’t work (for instance for anyone
not subscribed and never having received mail from the list (hence ignoring
it’s a list)).

Actually a censoring list in a Cc would act exactely as someone who still
receive mail from a thread person started (or was tiercely put in copy), but
doesn’t want to hear about: so you can’t be expected not to answer because of
it… But actually, that’s encouraging: solving it would then solve the bigger
problem!

So, normally, what is done? either person actively states to other recipients
they don’t want to be included anymore (we’d need a new standard for doing
that automatically when filtering occurs, like a formally defined header format
for a control message to be sent), either person stop reading the answer per
the same filter used before (either “refusing to read”, “recognizing as spam”,
“not looking at/putting in the folder” (for instance when someone stops
reading a whole mailing-list (that sometimes occurs sadly, though most often
because of (globally relevant) mail volume, sometimes also for social reasons
people here would like to avoid)) that is in user (interface) language: “fold
the whole thread and stop reading it”.

To the former, that clearly means “formalize censorship rules” and maybe even
“publish and update them” so to move implementation of it more local or even
client-side (that includes to publicly state if moderation is pre- or post-,
so to possibly tell people “(don’t) wait for particular per-message censorship
rejection notice to read it”, about who, what, to what extent/time/duration/
end, etc.). Then, when mailing-list receive a mail it filters, it answers with
the mail refusal control message (that should look like a bounce) not only the
author, but *all* participants (informing: “please don’t talk about it to us
anymore, don’t put us in copy”, solving the sad situation that happens on IRC
when you /ignore someone, and then see half conversations and possibly end
recursively ignoring everybody).

To the later, that means indirecting the filtering rules by the “references”
header (collect message-id’s of everything filtered, and filter the same when it
references it (depending on the filter and configuration (you might want to be
aware about the difference between what come from the list and what’s
personal))): so the list could have filtered Samuel’s message (and other list
participants wouldn’t have seen any quote or comment, even more especially
under the wrong message). And people having received the censorship control
message could too. I proposed that feature to mailman hackers some years ago,
when similar censorship problems happened elsewhere (I think it was on a La
Quadrature du Net (EFF french equivalent) ML), but they said it wasn’t a
priority, code was long to hack, they didn’t have time, and I ought to do it
myself, except it’s written in Python and I don’t write python (and it isn’t
extensible with C or Guile (sad dream of “I can extend any software with the
favorite script language I want” that never happened), nor will because this
is python, not C or lisp).

Or the list could don’t filter anything, and people would, per-config, choose to
see or not what moderators might have selected as “irrelevant” or “nasty”
(those could even be categorized differently in different filter lists, and other
people could publish other lists) and messages referencing these. That’s my
dream. Censorship wouldn’t exist anymore except in *explicitly* authoritarian
circumstances, and we could argue against them, and actively make anti-
censorship P2P systems that go against this automatically without added noise.

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  105. 2019-11-05 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  106. 2019-11-05 From: "Thompson, David" <dthompson2-at-worcester.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The list discourse (was: list moderation)
  107. 2019-11-05 Dora Scilipoti <dora-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  108. 2019-11-05 Brandon Invergo <brandon-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was:
  109. 2019-11-05 From: "Thompson, David" <dthompson2-at-worcester.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was:
  110. 2019-11-05 ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Re: A GNU “social contract”?
  111. 2019-11-05 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was: Women
  112. 2019-11-05 ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  113. 2019-11-05 ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Re: A GNU “social contract”?
  114. 2019-11-05 From: "Thompson, David" <dthompson2-at-worcester.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  115. 2019-11-05 Alexandre =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Garreau <galex-713-at-galex-713.eu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  116. 2019-11-05 Brandon Invergo <brandon-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  117. 2019-11-05 Alexandre =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Garreau <galex-713-at-galex-713.eu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  118. 2019-11-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  119. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  120. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  121. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  122. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  123. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  124. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus
  125. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus
  126. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus
  127. 2019-11-06 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  128. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  129. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus
  130. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus
  131. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus
  132. 2019-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  133. 2019-11-06 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Concrete_suggestions_on_how_to_make_G?=
  134. 2019-11-06 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  135. 2019-11-06 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?GNU_vs=2E_Church_of_Emacs_=28was=3A_A?=
  136. 2019-11-06 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  137. 2019-11-06 Brandon Invergo <brandon-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  138. 2019-11-06 Andreas <avr-at-softwarelibre.nl> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  139. 2019-11-06 ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Re: A GNU “social contract”?
  140. 2019-11-06 Andreas Enge <andreas-at-enge.fr> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  141. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  142. 2019-11-07 IEEE Spectrum <ieee-spectrum-at-deliver.ieee.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Tech Alert
  143. 2019-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  144. 2019-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] KVM and Networking access
  145. 2019-11-11 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #433 - Tabs or spaces,
  146. 2019-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] NYLUG Open Hacker Hours on Tuesday, November 26
  147. 2019-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  148. 2019-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  149. 2019-11-13 From: "Dana Morgenstein, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Spring internships at the FSF! Apply by Nov. 29
  150. 2019-11-13 Healthcare Update News Service <admin-at-healthcareupdatenewsservice.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] 20th Anniversary Population Health Colloquium
  151. 2019-11-13 From: "Speaker Corey Johnson" <SpeakerJohnson-at-council.nyc.gov> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?A_Master_Plan_for_Our_City=27s_Street?=
  152. 2019-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [653360]Re: mrbrklyn.com
  153. 2019-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [OpenDNS] Re: mrbrklyn.com
  154. 2019-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [653360]Re: mrbrklyn.com
  155. 2019-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [OpenDNS] Re: mrbrklyn.com
  156. 2019-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [653360]Re: mrbrklyn.com
  157. 2019-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] In the Beginning... almost
  158. 2019-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  159. 2019-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  160. 2019-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  161. 2019-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] 18 THOUSAND new city workers to call 311
  162. 2019-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] EmergingTech is Hiring CompTIA Certified Trainers
  163. 2019-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Complaint from NYLUG
  164. 2019-11-20 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Complaint from NYLUG
  165. 2019-11-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Complaint from NYLUG
  166. 2019-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Sharecroppers
  167. 2019-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] ignorance and the media - ted talk
  168. 2019-11-18 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #434 - How is Perl and Raku doing?
  169. 2019-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Your Brooklyn Congressmen at Work
  170. 2019-11-20 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Complaint from NYLUG
  171. 2019-11-20 From: "Yachna Narang" <yachnan-at-etalentnetwork.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Urgent need for Oracle and Unix/Linux Systems
  172. 2019-11-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Director Of Information Technology at MTA
  173. 2019-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Complaint from NYLUG
  174. 2019-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nice cheat sheet for terminal
  175. 2019-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] virish and virt-manager fails to installs
  176. 2019-11-25 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #435 - Vue.js and Perl
  177. 2019-11-25 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #435 - Vue.js and Perl
  178. 2019-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] from my websites - first page
  179. 2019-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] libvirt bug report
  180. 2019-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Happy Thanksgiving

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