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DATE | 2019-11-05 |
FROM | From: "Thompson, David"
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was:
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Tue Nov 5 21:31:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD6B163F60; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:31:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 47E76161134; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:26:57 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: Ruben Safir Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:26:57 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <20191106022657.GW20969-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> Resent-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com X-Original-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BAB161132 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:50464 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iS6W4-0007MW-JN for ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:37:32 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33131) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iS5yO-0003iY-GP for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:02:45 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iS5yN-0007sE-21 for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:02:44 -0500 Received: from mail-vk1-xa2a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2a]:41667) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iS5yM-0007s3-LQ for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:02:42 -0500 Received: by mail-vk1-xa2a.google.com with SMTP id 70so5059406vkz.8 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 13:02:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=worcester-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LRqgi22yMaPfmKWWwo3eRLeT+4VHyCMpZfy8IpiUsjo=; b=OiZie3hzDNcpQvdvNpxrmrZCGVkmHp9/+Fu6OTMUqPm2fCsYigqCeDsS73hrm1Ibtu fhomU63y/XAesYw/6xprnXli/BfFoAAIFdXzplgRr6OWjBuXnKnL7s0txRvdKpuEG1VT DKlO1yT2bImwlqOaQ/rSC9t+Cj8X7cOQE4TOuS/ZMd2fxaBbEBi+4R3NonZSuP0pB5/J a/QR4IKvoyVhpCU3fNxrH5nvPDtDCcy6OMS3rKcyBhBdTXnscWwTPbCjNwWs5ora2O3u AB9Drmx/55x1nvKKm9e5sF6h86llqy6DX1kU+yZLJpBubRby8x8veVREQ20qN+jQ68H2 OKcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LRqgi22yMaPfmKWWwo3eRLeT+4VHyCMpZfy8IpiUsjo=; b=l5equcuYGBqCYMwRvcAbhb+QXcmar6eC0YuzANjIk698K9dHAuHaNWXGfD86CAOgDp VI1qHmVv79g0TtKvoi6mp/l27E+M8dbbDu1HJCzls3+wT6ehV5cwCqUDDfsQn9NjTrLQ yIfCGXRH77NWuvODSlhN5TTpx0PYtTwClHX6pulIvSIuu7NnDnEHEkx55glQKCSvi/yg StjwR0iwcNCEaiQ1JYw7xPmyH9QRREKuQF95XHO4kJQQ5W9KlWh8wteAOfERMahLYdOd tc72qHryXVwPVBXiCqg+PxDm0z4vu55s7zWyBgv8AA6E+M8pbKjBIGZ6WK9qS50go9oF nK5w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWAzXSc5oCaqvz4mpwatYpriJCHA46JYBSMFpguYKJaZIv+j34a KOxCoM/+dtJROBm7kRfBUaHGs9a3rHQKdV4GZXOQvL8P X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxqAZo8sL9qTOWIJzqivNHpHBg9JPQg9l8ApXnPpcvWq1vUVOKPRmGCcB12LiTvj082jR7cTTjQVxALo1i+ivA= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:7d88:: with SMTP id y130mr15463649vkc.71.1572987761355; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 13:02:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5ec38bda-be9c-337e-ec18-a3b983a68b73-at-runbox.com> <87ftj2xkzg.fsf-at-gnu.org> <1572981600.4630.57.camel-at-softwarelibre.nl> In-Reply-To: <1572981600.4630.57.camel-at-softwarelibre.nl> From: "Thompson, David" Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:02:30 -0500 Message-ID: To: Andreas X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2a X-BeenThere: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list X-UID: 63599 Cc: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was: Women and GNU and RMS) X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 3:44 PM Andreas wrote: > > On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 13:26 -0500, Thompson, David wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:59 PM Brandon Invergo > > wrote: > > > > Can we just leave it there? > > > > I don't think we can. RMS is GNU's leader, and his public comments, > > whether or not they are specifically about free software, are > > relevant > > to GNU. Some of us are tired of looking the other way. > > "Looking the other way" is a spurious allegation, implying a wrong is > being committed that is willfully overlooked and furthermore implying > that those disagreeing or unaware are complicit in the wrong. > > Unless such assertions are backed up they remain speculation that > cannot be falsified against or reasoned about, and will continue to > linger and damage GNU. > > To avoid that it's best to just leave it, as suggested, or else make a > serious and well-founded claim and illustrate how it impacts GNU and > its functions. I think anything else at this moment in time is simply > detrimental to GNU and any discourse around it.
Maybe this would be a reasonable request if we ignored all the context of what has transpired in the past month or so (which, we must not forget, was just the straw that broke the camel's back after *years* of problematic behavior), but given the context I think this is nothing more than gaslighting. There is no honest need for me, or anyone else, to rehash the issues as if they haven't already been cited numerous times by others. Everything is already out on the table.
- Dave _______________________________________________ Hangout mailing list Hangout-at-nylxs.com http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout
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