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DATE | 2019-11-06 |
FROM | Andreas Enge
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Wed Nov 6 19:21:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37866161150; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:21:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 716DD16114A; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:21:43 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: Ruben Safir Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:21:43 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <20191107002143.GH31703-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> Resent-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com X-Original-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CE8161134 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 13:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:34102 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iSQ5w-0001S5-Eq for ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:31:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57649) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iSQ5V-0001Q4-FP for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:31:27 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iSQ5U-000107-8q for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:31:25 -0500 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([185.233.100.1]:32858) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iSQ5T-0000wS-H8 for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:31:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A4D7E9D; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:31:20 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1uGhdw5FbvX2; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:31:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from jurong (p-gweduroam01.u-bordeaux.fr [147.210.245.181]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C15407E67; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:31:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:31:17 +0100 From: Andreas Enge To: Alexandre =?iso-8859-15?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Garreau Message-ID: <20191106183117.GA1578-at-jurong> References: <6bf7acc244a2d4667eb0c10a40c5667d4734891b.camel-at-klomp.org> <7e4end9s.321942-at-gmail.com> <20191106085428.GA1100-at-jurong> <11158068.uGXU3Teo1p-at-pc-713> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <11158068.uGXU3Teo1p-at-pc-713> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 185.233.100.1 X-BeenThere: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list X-UID: 63714 Cc: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?b?QSBHTlUg4oCcc29jaWFsIGNvbnRyYWN04oCd?= =?utf-8?q?=3F?= X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
Hello,
I will reply once more, but it may be the last time in this thread. Please, Alexandre and others, if you wish to contribute, stop rambling and come to the point, and actually try to stick to a point that is raised and avoid going off on lengthy tangents that I (and probably others) have no time to read.
Let me quote once more the paragraph that we are supposedly discussing: > * GNU welcomes contributions from all and everyone > We want to give everyone the opportunity to contribute to our efforts > on any of the many tasks that require work. We welcome all contributors, > regardless of their gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, level of > experience, or any other personal characteristics. We commit to providing > a harassment-free experience for all our contributors.
Your contribution to this topic contains the following: On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 07:02:53PM +0100, Alexandre Fran=C3=A7ois Garreau w= rote: > Doing so through censorship and exclusion could. > (...) > But you also could ban too much potential harassers in regard to harassed > people and not be productive enough in this concern. > (...) > Look: we could even speculate that there are already so much more men tha= n =
> women coming, that it is not worth defending the later! How horrible, =
> saddening and pessimistic toward humankind=E2=80=A6 > (...) =
> Personally I support it, but I don=E2=80=99t think exclusion or censorshi= p is the way. =
> (...) > =E2=80=9CGNU Project is feminist and act as such=E2=80=9D (=E2=80=9Cweste= rnly=E2=80=9D) might lower the whole =
> number of contributors or supporters from some countries > (much more than US) initially after revolution)). > (...) > It=E2=80=99s not to mean GNU Project is to declare itself =E2=80=9Cfemini= sm-agnostic=E2=80=9D
How on earth do you end up associating "we welcome contributors" with "censorship", "exclusion", "banning", "feminism" or "feminism-agnosticism"? Notice that the social contract is a statement of principles. Clearly if we want to provide a harassment-free environment, some procedure will have to be decided at some point in time in case harassment occurs; but this is not the goal of this document.
Of course you are free to send your stream of consciousness to this list, but if you wish to have an impact on the topic at hand, I would suggest to make concrete suggestions on wording, or paragraphs to remove or to add.
Andreas
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