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DATE | 2019-11-05 |
FROM | Andreas
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was:
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Tue Nov 5 21:31:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1790A163F70; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:31:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0CF58161134; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:29:11 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: Ruben Safir Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:29:11 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <20191106022911.GE20969-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> Resent-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com X-Original-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E3D161132 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:49788 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iS5gQ-0002x2-TJ for ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 15:44:10 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41155) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iS4N4-0008Td-LZ for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 14:20:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iS4N3-0001ly-5s for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 14:20:06 -0500 Received: from smtpq6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net ([212.54.42.169]:46450) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iS4N3-0001kc-0J for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 14:20:05 -0500 Received: from [212.54.42.135] (helo=smtp11.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iS4Mz-0008PS-Uu for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 20:20:01 +0100 Received: from g59070.upc-g.chello.nl ([80.57.59.70] helo=debian.local) by smtp11.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iS4Mz-0001R7-Q0 for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 20:20:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1572981600.4630.57.camel-at-softwarelibre.nl> From: Andreas To: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 20:20:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <5ec38bda-be9c-337e-ec18-a3b983a68b73-at-runbox.com> <87ftj2xkzg.fsf-at-gnu.org> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.20.5-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SourceIP: 80.57.59.70 X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: 0.0 X-Ziggo-spamreport: CMAE Analysis: v=2.3 cv=GKl27dFK c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=3rNMXx9fCWX9Nv7qCejn2g==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=MeAgGD-zjQ4A:10 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=PqL2OvapzIUv9k0gQTkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_FVE-zBwftR9WsbkzFJk:22 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 212.54.42.169 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 15:44:08 -0500 X-BeenThere: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list X-UID: 63593 Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was: Women and GNU and RMS) X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 13:26 -0500, Thompson, David wrote: > On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:59 PM Brandon Invergo > wrote:
> > Can we just leave it there? > =
> I don't think we can.=C2=A0=C2=A0RMS is GNU's leader, and his public comm= ents, > whether or not they are specifically about free software, are > relevant > to GNU.=C2=A0=C2=A0Some of us are tired of looking the other way.
"Looking the other way" is a spurious allegation, implying a wrong is being committed that is willfully overlooked and furthermore implying that those disagreeing or unaware are complicit in the wrong.
Unless such assertions are backed up they remain speculation that cannot be falsified against or reasoned about, and will continue to linger and damage GNU.=C2=A0
To avoid that it's best to just leave it, as suggested, or else make a serious and well-founded claim and illustrate how it impacts GNU and its functions. I think anything else at this moment in time is simply detrimental to GNU and any discourse around it.
-Andreas _______________________________________________ Hangout mailing list Hangout-at-nylxs.com http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout
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