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From: Jean Louis
To: Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
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* Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> [2019-11-07 03:07]:
> > I do not see how the aim of creating a harassment-free environment coul=
d be construed as making GNU a less welcoming place...
> In other words, the only real aim of your =E2=80=98social contract=E2=80=
=99 is to
> impose that last paragraph about =E2=80=98harassment=E2=80=99 on everyone=
, while all
> the software freedom stuff is just a decoration that should not be
> taken seriously?
That is exactly what I see. It is agenda of those people who published
the public shamings page, so it is further continuance and blatant
attempt of corruption of already well organized GNU policies.
"Social contract" has etymology coming from France,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract, "In moral and political
philosophy, the social contract is a theory or model that originated
during the Age of Enlightenment and usually concerns the legitimacy of
the authority of the state over the individual. Social contract
arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either
explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit
to the authority (of the ruler, or to the decision of a majority) in
exchange for protection of their remaining rights or maintenance of
the social order"
Thus it is "other type of politics" that is trying to enter the GNU
The only politics for GNU project is free software politics.
Introduction of Rousseau's concepts of social contract represent
introduction of middle-age French politics into US based, freedom of
speech based project named GNU.
GNU is and was ahead of the future, it should not go back to French
middle-age principles as described above.
More food for thoughts from:
"One, our only obligations are those defined in the social contract to
which we=E2=80=99ve agreed. There are no moral obligations which are separa=
from (or override) our contractual obligations. A problem with this
assumption is that it eliminates the distinction between morality and
law; they become one in the same. But, we know that laws can be
-- the above summarizes exactly what is the problem with the subtle
agenda of defectors, they wish to impose new rules and by doing so,
they would cause more damage and discourage contributions to GNU.
There are reasons why GNU project is neutral and should remain neutral
to any kind of other politics, including policing behavior of other
people by means of social contracts.
More quotes from:
Two, social contracts are not inclusive of all. As Waller states, =E2=80=9C=
you can=E2=80=99t join in the contract, and you can=E2=80=99t live up to th=
of the contract, then you aren=E2=80=99t part of the moral community=E2=80=
and the above clarifies the contradiction to the purpose that GNU
project is welcoming contributions from everybody. If it starts
imposing "social contract", it would start changing direction of not
being any more neutral, it would start becoming new type of
More food for thought:
"Social contract" is not any type of contract, it is coercion as it
implies the consent. Consent is not mutual. That type of ruling is not
of any use in GNU.
Would GNU be a project of middle-age France, I would say that is best
they could do at the time, and Social Contract was one of their
Etymology does matter. Fundamental principles of terms like "social
contract" do matter.
We are in 21st century. Not in middle-age.
GNU project need no social contract, it is funny seeing people editing
a "social contract" implying this way to the public that it is some
kind of official GNU stance, while it is not.
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