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DATE | 2019-11-05 |
FROM | Brandon Invergo
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Tue Nov 5 12:25:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F305E163F79; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:25:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 333E3163F59; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:24:43 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: Ruben Safir Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:24:42 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <20191105172442.GM16573-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> Resent-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com X-Original-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C140B161132 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 07:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:43546 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iRyDl-0002Qh-6v for ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 07:46:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60497) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iRyDh-0002QK-1W for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 07:46:02 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49520) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iRyDg-00085k-Ic; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 07:46:00 -0500 Received: from [144.173.111.41] (port=51516 helo=localhost) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iRyDf-0001hM-4Q; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 07:46:00 -0500 References: <87o8xsan5b.fsf-at-gnu.org> <87eeyozltf.fsf-at-gnu.org> <87ftj2612x.fsf-at-gnu.org> User-agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 26.3 From: Brandon Invergo To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= In-reply-to: <87ftj2612x.fsf-at-gnu.org> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 12:45:57 +0000 Message-ID: <87pni6xzi2.fsf-at-gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list X-UID: 63545 Cc: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes:
> A bit more than 24 hours later, two things have become clear to me: that > Mark and Carlos were indeed doing a good moderation job, and that by not > doing any moderation, you=E2=80=99ve opened the flood gates and silenced = the > rest of us. > > In that time we got ~100 messages, the majority of which were written by > the same 3 people. Worse, many of those messages were personal attacks, > and many others were off-topic for this list.
Don't misrepresent the situation.
Ruben was placed under indefinite moderation for his attacks. The attacks took place overnight while I was asleep (he's obviously in a different time zone). So, since I started actively moderating, which requires being awake, things have been pretty peaceful.
Another user is under moderation for incessant off-topic, hateful posts as well as a lot of cross-posting (which we depend on the other subscribers to help fight; some of his moderated messages were quoted anyway due to cross-posting and/or CC'ing others).
That's it. If someone attacks, harasses or is otherwise abusive towards anyone, be it another subscriber or rms (let's not have elephants in this room), they will be placed under moderation until the situation cools down. This is not a place to discuss other people. This is a place to discuss GNU. The previous moderation efforts failed in that regard, and did so in a particularly biased manner.
I will not place the list back under emergency moderation unless everyone collectively loses their minds. Everyone has a chance to prove themselves to be civil, and even those who have previously been unkind can have the chance to show that they can improve.
Your messages require moderator action simply because you're not actually subscribed to the list. I have not silenced you but if you want your messages to go through quicker, I invite you to subscribe. You are welcome to continue to discuss whatever "governance" issues you would like here, but we are under no obligation to cultivate that as the new raison d'etre of gnu-misc-discuss nor to acknowledge it as carrying any priority over any other discussion that takes place here.
-- -brandon _______________________________________________ Hangout mailing list Hangout-at-nylxs.com http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout
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