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Brandon Invergo skribis:
> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes:
>> A bit more than 24 hours later, two things have become clear to me: that
>> Mark and Carlos were indeed doing a good moderation job, and that by not
>> doing any moderation, you=E2=80=99ve opened the flood gates and silenced=
>> rest of us.
>> In that time we got ~100 messages, the majority of which were written by
>> the same 3 people. Worse, many of those messages were personal attacks,
>> and many others were off-topic for this list.
> Don't misrepresent the situation.
> Ruben was placed under indefinite moderation for his attacks. The
> attacks took place overnight while I was asleep (he's obviously in a
> different time zone). So, since I started actively moderating, which
> requires being awake, things have been pretty peaceful.
I=E2=80=99m surprised it=E2=80=99s news to you that Ruben (among others) is=
people personally; that=E2=80=99s something you could have learned from the
> Another user is under moderation for incessant off-topic, hateful posts
> as well as a lot of cross-posting (which we depend on the other
> subscribers to help fight; some of his moderated messages were quoted
> anyway due to cross-posting and/or CC'ing others).
> That's it. If someone attacks, harasses or is otherwise abusive towards
> anyone, be it another subscriber or rms (let's not have elephants in
> this room), they will be placed under moderation until the situation
> cools down. This is not a place to discuss other people. This is a
> place to discuss GNU. The previous moderation efforts failed in that
> regard, and did so in a particularly biased manner.
How did it fail? What do you suggest regarding elephants in this room?
Who are you accusing of what, to be clear?
I=E2=80=99m baffled that you can be so assertive and dismissive of the
moderation work that was done before (which I can only guess was no
fun!). I would have loved to read your answers to my other questions to
better understand your viewpoint.
> Your messages require moderator action simply because you're not
> actually subscribed to the list. I have not silenced you but if you
> want your messages to go through quicker, I invite you to subscribe.
> You are welcome to continue to discuss whatever "governance" issues you
> would like here, but we are under no obligation to cultivate that as the
> new raison d'etre of gnu-misc-discuss nor to acknowledge it as carrying
> any priority over any other discussion that takes place here.
Sure, we=E2=80=99ll talk about governance (no quotes) as much as possible,
meaning as much as the signal-to-noise ratio doesn=E2=80=99t prevent that.
Governance is very much on-topic for this list.
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