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DATE | 2019-11-05 |
FROM | Alexandre =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Garreau
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Tue Nov 5 12:24:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521B6161150; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:24:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 09F2D16113A; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:24:01 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: Ruben Safir Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:24:01 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <20191105172401.GA16573-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> Resent-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com X-Original-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from galex-713.eu (portable.galex-713.eu [89.234.186.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150CC161134; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from gal by galex-713.eu with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iS2Uf-0004PY-NZ; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:19:49 +0100 From: Alexandre =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Garreau To: nylxs Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:19:49 +0100 Message-ID: <2351900.6rpSbFHSVT-at-pc-713> In-Reply-To: References: <87o8xsan5b.fsf-at-gnu.org> <87imnyz6af.fsf-at-gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UID: 63566 Cc: Hangout Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 18:12:22 CET, vous avez =C3=A9crit : > On 11/5/19 10:34 AM, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > > Hi Brandon, > > =
> > Brandon Invergo skribis: > >> Ludovic Court=C3=83=C2=A8s writes: > >>> A bit more than 24 hours later, two things have become clear to me: t= hat > >>> Mark and Carlos were indeed doing a good moderation job, and that by = not > >>> doing any moderation, you=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2ve opened the flood = gates and silenced the > >>> rest of us. > >>> =
> >>> In that time we got ~100 messages, the majority of which were written= by > >>> the same 3 people. Worse, many of those messages were personal attac= ks, > >>> and many others were off-topic for this list. > >> =
> >> Don't misrepresent the situation. > >> =
> >> Ruben was placed under indefinite moderation for his attacks. The > >> attacks took place overnight while I was asleep (he's obviously in a > >> different time zone). So, since I started actively moderating, which > >> requires being awake, things have been pretty peaceful. > > =
> > I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m surprised it=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s news t= o you that Ruben (among others) is attacking > > people personally; that=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s something you could ha= ve learned from the > > previous moderators. > > =
> >> Another user is under moderation for incessant off-topic, hateful posts > >> as well as a lot of cross-posting (which we depend on the other > >> subscribers to help fight; some of his moderated messages were quoted > >> anyway due to cross-posting and/or CC'ing others). > > =
> > Good. > > =
> >> That's it. If someone attacks, harasses or is otherwise abusive towar= ds > >> anyone, be it another subscriber or rms (let's not have elephants in > >> this room), they will be placed under moderation until the situation > >> cools down. This is not a place to discuss other people. This is a > >> place to discuss GNU. The previous moderation efforts failed in that > >> regard, and did so in a particularly biased manner. > > =
> > How did it fail? What do you suggest regarding elephants in this room? > > Who are you accusing of what, to be clear? > > =
> > I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m baffled that you can be so assertive and dis= missive of the > > moderation work that was done before (which I can only guess was no > > fun!). I would have loved to read your answers to my other questions to > > better understand your viewpoint. > > =
> >> Your messages require moderator action simply because you're not > >> actually subscribed to the list. I have not silenced you but if you > >> want your messages to go through quicker, I invite you to subscribe. > >> You are welcome to continue to discuss whatever "governance" issues you > >> would like here, but we are under no obligation to cultivate that as t= he > >> new raison d'etre of gnu-misc-discuss nor to acknowledge it as carrying > >> any priority over any other discussion that takes place here. > > =
> > Sure, we=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2ll talk about governance (no quotes) as= much as possible, > > meaning as much as the signal-to-noise ratio doesn=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84= =A2t prevent that. > > Governance is very much on-topic for this list. > > =
> > Thanks, > > Ludo=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2. > =
> How about this. You are a relentless prick for all the malicious damage > you caused, and eventually chickens are going to come home to roost. > =
> You've been taking advantage of the good will of the GNU community for a > long time, but eventually people get wise to you hatred, selfishness and > blind ambition. > =
> You think you are building yourself up, Ludovic, but the reality is you > are setting yourslef up for a big takedown. > =
> Your fraud and hatred is going to be addressed and it will follow you > around for very long time, perhaps the rest of your life. > =
> =
> The problems here aren't moderation. It is your vicious actions that > you do leaves tread marks on the backsides anyone who you think gets in > your way. Human Beings don't like being road kill, and no matter how > you package it up, we know you for what you are... less than pound scum. > =
> You waylaid RMS and GNU with buckshot and now complain when people get > vocal about being made your targets. Forget about that big boy. We > don't play that way.
Wait because of headers and repetition I don=E2=80=99t understand anything = anymore=E2=80=A6 =
who wrote this initially? about who? who=E2=80=99s Hangout? why was it sent= twice? _______________________________________________ Hangout mailing list Hangout-at-nylxs.com http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout
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