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|SUBJECT ||Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
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Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
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Le mardi 5 novembre 2019 18:12:22 CET, vous avez =C3=A9crit :
> On 11/5/19 10:34 AM, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote:
> > Hi Brandon,
> > =
> > Brandon Invergo skribis:
> >> Ludovic Court=C3=83=C2=A8s writes:
> >>> A bit more than 24 hours later, two things have become clear to me: t=
> >>> Mark and Carlos were indeed doing a good moderation job, and that by =
> >>> doing any moderation, you=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2ve opened the flood =
gates and silenced the
> >>> rest of us.
> >>> =
> >>> In that time we got ~100 messages, the majority of which were written=
> >>> the same 3 people. Worse, many of those messages were personal attac=
> >>> and many others were off-topic for this list.
> >> =
> >> Don't misrepresent the situation.
> >> =
> >> Ruben was placed under indefinite moderation for his attacks. The
> >> attacks took place overnight while I was asleep (he's obviously in a
> >> different time zone). So, since I started actively moderating, which
> >> requires being awake, things have been pretty peaceful.
> > =
> > I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m surprised it=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s news t=
o you that Ruben (among others) is attacking
> > people personally; that=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s something you could ha=
ve learned from the
> > previous moderators.
> > =
> >> Another user is under moderation for incessant off-topic, hateful posts
> >> as well as a lot of cross-posting (which we depend on the other
> >> subscribers to help fight; some of his moderated messages were quoted
> >> anyway due to cross-posting and/or CC'ing others).
> > =
> > Good.
> > =
> >> That's it. If someone attacks, harasses or is otherwise abusive towar=
> >> anyone, be it another subscriber or rms (let's not have elephants in
> >> this room), they will be placed under moderation until the situation
> >> cools down. This is not a place to discuss other people. This is a
> >> place to discuss GNU. The previous moderation efforts failed in that
> >> regard, and did so in a particularly biased manner.
> > =
> > How did it fail? What do you suggest regarding elephants in this room?
> > Who are you accusing of what, to be clear?
> > =
> > I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m baffled that you can be so assertive and dis=
missive of the
> > moderation work that was done before (which I can only guess was no
> > fun!). I would have loved to read your answers to my other questions to
> > better understand your viewpoint.
> > =
> >> Your messages require moderator action simply because you're not
> >> actually subscribed to the list. I have not silenced you but if you
> >> want your messages to go through quicker, I invite you to subscribe.
> >> You are welcome to continue to discuss whatever "governance" issues you
> >> would like here, but we are under no obligation to cultivate that as t=
> >> new raison d'etre of gnu-misc-discuss nor to acknowledge it as carrying
> >> any priority over any other discussion that takes place here.
> > =
> > Sure, we=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2ll talk about governance (no quotes) as=
much as possible,
> > meaning as much as the signal-to-noise ratio doesn=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=
=A2t prevent that.
> > Governance is very much on-topic for this list.
> > =
> > Thanks,
> > Ludo=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2.
> How about this. You are a relentless prick for all the malicious damage
> you caused, and eventually chickens are going to come home to roost.
> You've been taking advantage of the good will of the GNU community for a
> long time, but eventually people get wise to you hatred, selfishness and
> blind ambition.
> You think you are building yourself up, Ludovic, but the reality is you
> are setting yourslef up for a big takedown.
> Your fraud and hatred is going to be addressed and it will follow you
> around for very long time, perhaps the rest of your life.
> The problems here aren't moderation. It is your vicious actions that
> you do leaves tread marks on the backsides anyone who you think gets in
> your way. Human Beings don't like being road kill, and no matter how
> you package it up, we know you for what you are... less than pound scum.
> You waylaid RMS and GNU with buckshot and now complain when people get
> vocal about being made your targets. Forget about that big boy. We
> don't play that way.
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who wrote this initially? about who? who=E2=80=99s Hangout? why was it sent=
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