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DATE 2019-11-04
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something
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In light of the changing shape of the list's moderation,
the following is a re-post of a message that was previously
rejected as being flamey or whatever.

Well, is it?

There is no hot temper behind it; I had it in draft form
overnight, mulled over and reworded some things the next day.

If anyone thinks it should have been rejected, I welcome any
comment to that effect and am grateful for any justifications
and explanations.

Text in sequare brackets is an annotation I'm adding now.

On 2019-10-30 16:22, Sandra Loosemore wrote:
> IMO, to regain control of our public image, I think we have to take
> some explicit and public steps to disassociate the GNU project from
> RMS's comments.

Hi Sandra,

Outside observer here.

I'm afraid I don't agree. Firstly, anyone who is grown up and halfway
intelligent already knows that those comments don't have anything
to do with the GNU project; and that there is a lot more to
GNU than just one person.

[Hopefully is it clear here that I'm not saying anything like
that the person I'm replying to herself isn't halfway intelligent
or grown up, which would be nonsensical to say the least.
I agree with the basic need for organizations to be dissociated
from the personal views of individual members. But such legal
disclaimers are mainly for the dimwitted.]

In other words, GNU and the FSF are not currently "associated" with
those comments in any way (not in any way that is fair and reasonable),
so there is nothing to undo.

So that is to say, "dissociate from the comments" is a phrase that
doesn't refer to any concrete action in the world, just some words
to try to persuade some people who allegedly hold some false belief.

More importantly, *explicit* steps, as you say, to dissociate from
anything involve *mentioning* what you're dissociating from.
That just dredges up the matter and draws attention to it, delaying
it from being laid to rest.

This is closely related to the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

The best way is to stop talking about the whole matter, and just
take a reactive strategy toward any loose ends. If some outsider brings
up some views such as that GNU or FSF are tarnished by some past events
involving individual behavior, it may be appropriate to react to that
swiftly.

Basically, take an evidence-based, empirical approach: if you see
concrete evidence that someone is harboring or promoting a false view
about the organization, then take some explicit steps. If nobody seems
to be doing that, then there is no actual problem; focus your
attention somewhere else.

It's like bug fixing.

Don't make up some angel-on-pin's-head scenario in your head based on what
some ISO or IEEE document says or does not say and go off making changes.
Insist on a repro test case.

And, of course, not bringing up a matter doesn't imply that anyone is
taking a particular side in the matter. Yes, of course someone usually
benefits to some extent when some matter isn't discussed; but that doesn't
mean that the reticence is intended for their benefit.

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  1. 2019-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  2. 2019-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  3. 2019-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] List posting rules
  4. 2019-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  5. 2019-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  6. 2019-11-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  7. 2019-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] List posting rules
  8. 2019-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] List posting rules
  9. 2019-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  10. 2019-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] compile issues with embperl
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  12. 2019-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] CCNY "Open Source" meeting
  13. 2019-11-02 From: "Brian.Tiffin" via General GNU project and free software discussions Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Involuntary involvement to counter smear
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  15. 2019-11-03 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] List posting rules
  16. 2019-11-03 Alexandre =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Garreau <galex-713-at-galex-713.eu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] List posting rules
  17. 2019-11-03 From: "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos-at-systemhalted.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  18. 2019-11-03 Mark Wielaard <mark-at-klomp.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  19. 2019-11-02 Mark Wielaard <mark-at-klomp.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  20. 2019-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  21. 2019-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Involuntary involvement to counter smear
  22. 2019-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] compile issues
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  24. 2019-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] List posting rules
  25. 2019-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] List posting rules
  26. 2019-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  27. 2019-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] compile issues with embperl
  28. 2019-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] compile issues with embperl
  29. 2019-11-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] compile issues
  30. 2019-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
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  74. 2019-11-05 Alexandre =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Garreau <galex-713-at-galex-713.eu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
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  77. 2019-11-05 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  78. 2019-11-05 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  79. 2019-11-05 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  80. 2019-11-05 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
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  84. 2019-11-05 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  85. 2019-11-05 Mark Wielaard <mark-at-klomp.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  86. 2019-11-05 Dora Scilipoti <dora-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  87. 2019-11-05 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Will RMS be back to Programming now?
  88. 2019-11-05 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Why fewer contributors to GNU? They have to
  89. 2019-11-05 Dora Scilipoti <dora-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  90. 2019-11-05 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  91. 2019-11-05 From: "Thompson, David" <dthompson2-at-worcester.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  92. 2019-11-05 Brandon Invergo <brandon-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  93. 2019-11-05 Andreas <avr-at-softwarelibre.nl> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was:
  94. 2019-11-05 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  95. 2019-11-05 From: "Thompson, David" <dthompson2-at-worcester.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was:
  96. 2019-11-05 Brandon Invergo <brandon-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  97. 2019-11-05 Brandon Invergo <brandon-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  98. 2019-11-05 From: "Thompson, David" <dthompson2-at-worcester.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  99. 2019-11-05 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The list discourse
  100. 2019-11-05 Dora Scilipoti <dora-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  101. 2019-11-05 ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was:
  102. 2019-11-05 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The list discourse (was: list moderation)
  103. 2019-11-05 From: "Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)" <936-846-2769-at-kylheku.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  104. 2019-11-05 Andreas <avr-at-softwarelibre.nl> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was:
  105. 2019-11-05 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  106. 2019-11-05 From: "Thompson, David" <dthompson2-at-worcester.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The list discourse (was: list moderation)
  107. 2019-11-05 Dora Scilipoti <dora-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  108. 2019-11-05 Brandon Invergo <brandon-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was:
  109. 2019-11-05 From: "Thompson, David" <dthompson2-at-worcester.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was:
  110. 2019-11-05 ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Re: A GNU “social contract”?
  111. 2019-11-05 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was: Women
  112. 2019-11-05 ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  113. 2019-11-05 ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Re: A GNU “social contract”?
  114. 2019-11-05 From: "Thompson, David" <dthompson2-at-worcester.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  115. 2019-11-05 Alexandre =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Garreau <galex-713-at-galex-713.eu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  116. 2019-11-05 Brandon Invergo <brandon-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  117. 2019-11-05 Alexandre =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Garreau <galex-713-at-galex-713.eu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
  118. 2019-11-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  119. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  120. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  121. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  122. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  123. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  124. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus
  125. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus
  126. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus
  127. 2019-11-06 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful?
  128. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  129. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus
  130. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus
  131. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus
  132. 2019-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  133. 2019-11-06 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Concrete_suggestions_on_how_to_make_G?=
  134. 2019-11-06 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  135. 2019-11-06 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?GNU_vs=2E_Church_of_Emacs_=28was=3A_A?=
  136. 2019-11-06 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  137. 2019-11-06 Brandon Invergo <brandon-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  138. 2019-11-06 Andreas <avr-at-softwarelibre.nl> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  139. 2019-11-06 ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Re: A GNU “social contract”?
  140. 2019-11-06 Andreas Enge <andreas-at-enge.fr> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  141. 2019-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  142. 2019-11-07 IEEE Spectrum <ieee-spectrum-at-deliver.ieee.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Tech Alert
  143. 2019-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  144. 2019-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] KVM and Networking access
  145. 2019-11-11 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #433 - Tabs or spaces,
  146. 2019-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] NYLUG Open Hacker Hours on Tuesday, November 26
  147. 2019-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  148. 2019-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  149. 2019-11-13 From: "Dana Morgenstein, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Spring internships at the FSF! Apply by Nov. 29
  150. 2019-11-13 Healthcare Update News Service <admin-at-healthcareupdatenewsservice.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] 20th Anniversary Population Health Colloquium
  151. 2019-11-13 From: "Speaker Corey Johnson" <SpeakerJohnson-at-council.nyc.gov> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?A_Master_Plan_for_Our_City=27s_Street?=
  152. 2019-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [653360]Re: mrbrklyn.com
  153. 2019-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [OpenDNS] Re: mrbrklyn.com
  154. 2019-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [653360]Re: mrbrklyn.com
  155. 2019-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [OpenDNS] Re: mrbrklyn.com
  156. 2019-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [653360]Re: mrbrklyn.com
  157. 2019-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] In the Beginning... almost
  158. 2019-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  159. 2019-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  160. 2019-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  161. 2019-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] 18 THOUSAND new city workers to call 311
  162. 2019-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] EmergingTech is Hiring CompTIA Certified Trainers
  163. 2019-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Complaint from NYLUG
  164. 2019-11-20 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Complaint from NYLUG
  165. 2019-11-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Complaint from NYLUG
  166. 2019-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Sharecroppers
  167. 2019-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] ignorance and the media - ted talk
  168. 2019-11-18 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #434 - How is Perl and Raku doing?
  169. 2019-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Your Brooklyn Congressmen at Work
  170. 2019-11-20 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Complaint from NYLUG
  171. 2019-11-20 From: "Yachna Narang" <yachnan-at-etalentnetwork.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Urgent need for Oracle and Unix/Linux Systems
  172. 2019-11-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Director Of Information Technology at MTA
  173. 2019-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Complaint from NYLUG
  174. 2019-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nice cheat sheet for terminal
  175. 2019-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] virish and virt-manager fails to installs
  176. 2019-11-25 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #435 - Vue.js and Perl
  177. 2019-11-25 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #435 - Vue.js and Perl
  178. 2019-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] from my websites - first page
  179. 2019-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] libvirt bug report
  180. 2019-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Happy Thanksgiving

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