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|SUBJECT ||Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
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From: Ruben Safir
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Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list moderation
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On 11/5/19 10:34 AM, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote:
> Hi Brandon,
> Brandon Invergo skribis:
>> Ludovic Court=C3=83=C2=A8s writes:
>>> A bit more than 24 hours later, two things have become clear to me: that
>>> Mark and Carlos were indeed doing a good moderation job, and that by not
>>> doing any moderation, you=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2ve opened the flood ga=
tes and silenced the
>>> rest of us.
>>> In that time we got ~100 messages, the majority of which were written by
>>> the same 3 people. Worse, many of those messages were personal attacks,
>>> and many others were off-topic for this list.
>> Don't misrepresent the situation.
>> Ruben was placed under indefinite moderation for his attacks. The
>> attacks took place overnight while I was asleep (he's obviously in a
>> different time zone). So, since I started actively moderating, which
>> requires being awake, things have been pretty peaceful.
> I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m surprised it=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s news to =
you that Ruben (among others) is attacking
> people personally; that=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s something you could have=
learned from the
> previous moderators.
>> Another user is under moderation for incessant off-topic, hateful posts
>> as well as a lot of cross-posting (which we depend on the other
>> subscribers to help fight; some of his moderated messages were quoted
>> anyway due to cross-posting and/or CC'ing others).
>> That's it. If someone attacks, harasses or is otherwise abusive towards
>> anyone, be it another subscriber or rms (let's not have elephants in
>> this room), they will be placed under moderation until the situation
>> cools down. This is not a place to discuss other people. This is a
>> place to discuss GNU. The previous moderation efforts failed in that
>> regard, and did so in a particularly biased manner.
> How did it fail? What do you suggest regarding elephants in this room?
> Who are you accusing of what, to be clear?
> I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m baffled that you can be so assertive and dismi=
ssive of the
> moderation work that was done before (which I can only guess was no
> fun!). I would have loved to read your answers to my other questions to
> better understand your viewpoint.
>> Your messages require moderator action simply because you're not
>> actually subscribed to the list. I have not silenced you but if you
>> want your messages to go through quicker, I invite you to subscribe.
>> You are welcome to continue to discuss whatever "governance" issues you
>> would like here, but we are under no obligation to cultivate that as the
>> new raison d'etre of gnu-misc-discuss nor to acknowledge it as carrying
>> any priority over any other discussion that takes place here.
> Sure, we=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2ll talk about governance (no quotes) as m=
uch as possible,
> meaning as much as the signal-to-noise ratio doesn=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=
=A2t prevent that.
> Governance is very much on-topic for this list.
How about this. You are a relentless prick for all the malicious damage
you caused, and eventually chickens are going to come home to roost.
You've been taking advantage of the good will of the GNU community for a
long time, but eventually people get wise to you hatred, selfishness and
You think you are building yourself up, Ludovic, but the reality is you
are setting yourslef up for a big takedown.
Your fraud and hatred is going to be addressed and it will follow you
around for very long time, perhaps the rest of your life.
The problems here aren't moderation. It is your vicious actions that
you do leaves tread marks on the backsides anyone who you think gets in
your way. Human Beings don't like being road kill, and no matter how
you package it up, we know you for what you are... less than pound scum.
You waylaid RMS and GNU with buckshot and now complain when people get
vocal about being made your targets. Forget about that big boy. We
don't play that way.
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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