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Responsible Leadership: Tony Stanco's Egov-OS problem

New Yorkers for Fair Use (http://fairuse.nylxs.com), costumed as the
American Founding Fathers, left the warm comfort of our homes at 4AM on
March 17th, 2003, and headed down to Washington DC, in full regalia, in
our 15 person passenger van, to George Washington University. The
purpose of our trip was to protest the mismanagement of the EGOV-OS
conference held there from March 17th to March 19th.
The central problem which has galvanized New Yorkers for Fair Use is the
increasingly negligent means by which Free Software and open source
advocates have been putting together marketing conferences for Free
Software businesses. EGOV-OS was a conference which was supposed to
market and advocate the use of Free Software and Open Source software in
all levels of government, national, local and even internation. The
conference had the potential to open up a stubbornly closed potential
market with the federal government and all around the world, by laying
out the legal, moral and practical foundation for the use of Free
Software products in everyday government. Instead, the conference was
turned into a photo opportunity and platform for misinfomation by the
Microsoft organization. This is the inevitable result when a 40 billion
dollar corperation which has made every effort to destroy Free Software
at it's root is invited to make a presentation in such a venue. And as
expected, Microsoft didn't let their shareholders down. Most of the
only press that came out of this conference was on Microsoft's 'Shared
Source'. Microsoft's money has brought them deep loyalty in the tech
press. In a conference with little press coverage, "E-Week" ran a full
article on Microsoft's misdirections under the headline "Microsoft's
Matusow: No Right Way to Create Softwar" which does eveything it can to
blurr the issue between Free Software's advantages and the closed
anti-competitive methods used by the Redmond based company. All of this
is fodder for the next 100 million dollar mailing to every CTO in the
nation. All of this takes food off the table of our Free Software
developer community, as well as the consulant industry which has been
built up to support Free Software products. Worse, their presence comes
at the direct expense of people who sell Free Software for a living, and
who can make clear, unadulterated messages from the use of Free Software
to the uninitiated.

Bad Leadership: Right Advocacy

When New Yorkers for Fair Use first became alerted to the problems
occuring at the EGOV-OS conference, it was through the mailing list of
NYLXS and was building on our experience at this years Linux World Expo
in New York City. At the Expo, NYLXS member and Bayonne lead
programmer, David Suger, had made a point to voice his concern that his
product won a second place award for Best System Integration Software,
second to Microsoft: for Services for Unix 3.0. That Friday after the
show, NYLXS had its annual dinner with 'The Linux Journal' editor, Don
Marti. We talked about the award and its implications to our
membership. Something didn't seem right, but Don seemed to have had a
reasonable explanation for the turn of events. NY Fair Use had an
impromtu discussion on this matter and the rumblings coming from SCO
which seemed to indicate that it might be ready to sue the GNU/Linux
community for Unix patents. We decided there to keep an eye on upcoming
developments on both fronts. And not more than a few days later, David
Sugar is emailing the list about problems with Microsoft presenting at
egov-OS.
We quickly had a board, cross mailing list vigorous discussion on the
problem which included most of the Washington DC area groups, many
people from California, members of the Free Software Foundation, NY Fair
Use, GNU Enterprise, The Open Office Marketing List, several interested
reporters, NYLUG, and eventually, Bruce Perens who is on the egov-OS
oversite committee. As a result, I had found my mailbox filled with
hundreds of private emails from people across the east coast
volunteering to protest against Microsoft at the conference. NY Fair
Use had a private discussion about the situation, and we decided that
the last thing we wanted was an unweildy demonstration in front of
hundreds of government officials looking at Free Software for the first
time. However, we needed to reverse this trend of Microsoft being given
a free public relations boast at the expense of genuine Free Software
developers and advocates at venues designed to highlight our own goods.
In the end, we decided that NY Fair Use is most effective when we have a
tight message, with a small and effective group. We turned down most
calls for a broad and raucus protest. Instead, we planned a smaller
event. As it was, if everyone showed up for our protest who wanted to,
we would have out numbered the participants at the conference.

But still, we had to answer the question of how to attrack attention,
raise the issue, putting the Free Software 'leaders' on notice that we
were watching, and still not turn the conference completely upside down.
The answer NY Fair Use came up with was exciting, fun and useful.
Fortunately we have associates who work on Broadway. They hooked us up
with costume designers who dressed us up as Colonial American's circa
1776. Suddenly everything came together, and NY Fair Use was ready to
move in a constructive manner.
The core of the New Yorkers for Fair Use action was Joe Grastara, Dave
Williams, Cesar Vargus, Sunny Dubby, Tim Wilcox, Ruben Safir, Marco
Scoffier, Vincenzo and Ray Connolly. Dave Williams and Joe Grastara
helped us construct an effective concreate message which eventually
became our pamphlet. Ray arrainged for transportation, and drove both
ways, for over 12 hours. Cesar, Sunny, Ray, Tim and Ruben dressed as
Founding fathers. Marco and Vinnie helped everyone get ready and dress.
And the entire enterprise was unwritten, as always with NY Fair Use, by
NYLXS.
Most of us met in Brooklyn and stayed overnight at Ruben's home where an
installfeast was going on from the previous day until 4AM. Ray, as the
driver got several hours sleep while the rest of us got final
preperations was made. At 4AM, NY Fair Use embarked on the trip to
Washington. We arrived safely at 9:30 in the morning, fully dressed in
costumes and ready to make our case.

Reaching our Audience: Confronting Hostile Guards

On arriving to George Washignton University, the apperance of 7 highly
decorated American heros astonished people. Picture bulbs flashed all
around us and after we picked up our badges and began to hand out our
pamphlet, people started to flow out of the main auditorium and colapsed
on us, inquiring about what we were handing out. We brought about 400
pamphlets, which all but a dozen where given out. Each NY Fair Use
member became a center of attention. We managed to talk personally with
nearly every member of the conference accept for Brady Kuhn, who refused
to talk to any of us for some reason. Our pamphlet strongly condemded
the organizers of the conference for not representing us, the Free
Software Community, adequately, and for caving in to self interests over
the good for the community by giving Microsoft a free public relations
opportunity to blur issues and to promote their 'Share Source'
disinformation campaign.
The conference itself, while filled with luminaries from the
international Free Software Community, overall was limited in its
attendence. At the time we were there, no more than 750 people were
attending the meeting, although the numbers might have been more like
300. However, the limited numbers meant that NY Fair Use was able to
contact nearly every event participant personally. We had nearly 100%
penetration of conference participants, both atendees and speakers.
Many of us spent several minutes talking to individuals. I personally
had the pleasure of speaking about 20 minutes with European Union
Minster Philip Aigrain, who I met in Bourdeux France this year about the
problem. In addition I spent a few minutes talking to Georg Greve of
the European FSF, David Axmark of MySQL who attended the NYLXS dinner,
Sara Brown from Public Knowledge among many others whose name I failed
to get. The same was true for all the members. At one point, early in
the giving out of pamphlets, the guards came through. Searching for the
leader of the protest, they approached me and asked where the leader
was. I waved him off and he became very anoyed. He asked me my name,
so I smiled and said "George... like in Washington and your in my
University". I spotted the reporter Grant Gross and I said, "Look
Grant, their throwing us out of here". Grant took out his notepad, and
the press cameras gathered around. The result was that the guard backed
off and confered with Tony Stanco. At this point, they decided it was
better to let us procede then face the bad press.
A few minutes later Tony Stanco seeked me out to talk to me. And later
Bruce Perens introduced himself. I spent a couple of minutes with Mr.
Stanco. Mr. Stanco asked me if I got everything I wanted out of this.
I told him I'll know in a few months if Microsoft is still getting a
free ride in the Open Source community to push their wares. Mr Stanco
reassured me that what we were doing was OK. Having his approval was
not reassuring. But I told him it wasn't our intention to have a blood
letting. Our purpose is to get a message across to the leadership of
what we needed from them and what standards we hold them to. Mr Stanco
then pointed to the crowd, and said, "You see these people, you'll never
get through to them with screeming and yelling." I said, "Maybe, it
depends on the need. In this case, we don't need to screem. In another
situation, a louder voice might be needed." Mr Stanco then said, "Have
you ever heard Microsoft talk. Their going to be the best promoters of
Free Software when they open their mouths." I reiterated my points.
Microsofts presense at the EgovOS conference takes attention from other
more deserving individuals. Mr Stanco refused to recognized the
problems he created. He also failed to understand that this was part of
a broader trends that the community faces with the increasing
encroackment of Microsoft and venues designed to sell Free Software to
the public.
The public deserves better.

By 2:00PM, we had essentially talked to everyone we could at the
conference. We'd made a lot of contacts, and in addition to handing out
pamphlets, members handed out literature about their own offerings for
Government and business. In fact, we took about 30 folders for the Free
Software Chamber of Commerce, the local New York Free Software
consultants network. All the folders were handed out. We had a long
discussion with the head of Hewitt Packard reseach in Europe, who was
very upset with us because he believed we opposed the commercialization
of Free Software in general. So we spent some time explaining how this
was not the case, and how we were only upset that our leadership was
giving Microsoft a free pass to the Free Software movement before making
them contribute to the community.

Repeatedly over time, people have asked why NY Fair Use discriminates
against Microsoft in it's eire. But NY Fair Use makes no such
determination. Our approach to Microsoft is the same as it would be for
any company which would warn CTO's to get their legal teams to
investigate the GPL closely before implementing any Free Software (as if
a standard Microsoft License would withstand real legal scrutinty), they
further publish detrimental lies such as this from the current Microsoft
website:


The GPL is designed to prevent commercial development of software
distributed under the license. It does this largely by requiring
licensees to make available, at little or no cost, the entire source
code for any program that incorporates any amount of GPL code. Given
that requirement, commercial developers cannot recover their research
and development investments by charging reasonable and appropriate fees
for their original software if it uses any GPL code. Free-software
developers have every right to pursue this anti-commercial objective.

Microsoft's concern is the resulting degradation of the software
ecosystem that would be triggered by widespread acceptance of the GPL,
particularly within the governmental and academic research sectors. This
ecosystem has sustained unparalleled innovation throughout the industry
for the past quarter-century. The principal role of government and
universities in the ecosystem is to undertake basic research and to
dispense the findings both into the societal base of technical knowledge
and to private enterprises and individuals capable of developing these
innovations commercially. Commercial enterprises, in turn, engage in
applied research to develop products that advance the state of
technology, generating jobs, profits and tax revenues that boost the
economy (funding additional basic research in the process). Commercial
enterprises also disseminate innovations directly into the larger
technical-knowledge base.

In addition Microsoft used their licensing to twart Free Software
products like SAMBA such as when they banned companies from releasing
their CIFS products under the GPL, or when they participate in a huge
Digital Rights Management scam which can end pratical use of Free
Software through their Pladium 'trusted computing' platform.

In the end, it's not so much Microsoft we are upset with in this
instance. Here we are mad at people like Tony Stanco who would
discriminate against Free Software developers and distributers for their
own personal ambition. And we let them know it.

As a footnote, after our trip to George Washington University, NY Fair
Use made a trip to Capitial Hill while dressed in our costumes. And we
got big smiles all along the halls of Congress, especially at
Congressman Wieners office, who is sitting on the sub-comittee on
intellectual property and the internet. We have a handshake to install
a GNU/Linux system in their office, so stay tuned....



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  1. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS Meeting
  2. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS Meeting
  3. 2003-03-02 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai
  4. 2003-03-02 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  5. 2003-03-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  6. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  7. 2003-03-02 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  8. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  9. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] That's interesting - The registration date is the same date
  10. 2003-03-02 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai
  11. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  12. 2003-03-02 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Yorkers For Fair Us
  13. 2003-03-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai
  14. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Yorkers For Fair Use
  15. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Yorkers For Fair Use
  16. 2003-03-02 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Yorkers For Fair Use
  17. 2003-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  18. 2003-03-01 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use
  19. 2003-03-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  20. 2003-03-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Humor, Don MArti Style
  21. 2003-03-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SIRUS
  22. 2003-03-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] SIRUS
  23. 2003-03-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  24. 2003-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SIRUS
  25. 2003-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SIRUS
  26. 2003-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Strangly enough, the viao sound works
  27. 2003-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  28. 2003-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  29. 2003-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DRM HEaring, call for witnesses
  30. 2003-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Digital Music
  31. 2003-03-01 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fair Use
  32. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mail possibilities for the group.
  33. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Message from Brett -- Horray
  34. 2003-03-03 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) SANS Alert - Critical Vulnerability in Sendmail and a Snort Vulnerability
  35. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Digital Rights Meeting at 92nd Street Y
  36. 2003-03-03 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Digital Rights Meeting at 92nd Street Y
  37. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Digital Rights Meeting at 92nd Street Y
  38. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  39. 2003-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Con of the month
  40. 2003-03-04 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: NY Fair Use/NYLXS Meeting
  41. 2003-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Web Site Activity
  42. 2003-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Web Site Activity
  43. 2003-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Next Free Software Business Expo
  44. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] KEVON MILANI Pagoing
  45. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  46. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce Network Meeting at Noon
  47. 2003-03-03 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) SANS Alert - Critical Vulnerability in Sendmail and a Snort Vulnerability
  48. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  49. 2003-03-23 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  50. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More egov-os stupidity
  51. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU-Darwin (IE MAC) clueless about more than one thing
  52. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journals - Where are they?
  53. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] WWWACS Event
  54. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Job Possibility
  55. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  56. 2003-03-22 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations
  57. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  58. 2003-03-22 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  59. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations
  60. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  61. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article in text
  62. 2003-03-22 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  63. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Preliminary draft of article for NY Fair Use - egovos - POSTSCRIPT
  64. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Preliminary draft of article for NY Fair Use - egovos
  65. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MS EULA VRS GPL
  66. 2003-03-21 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] DMCA Comments
  67. 2003-03-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA Comments
  68. 2003-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  69. 2003-03-21 jonathan jacobs <gnunewyork-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] lock 'em up
  70. 2003-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  71. 2003-03-21 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  72. 2003-03-21 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  73. 2003-03-21 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA goes under public scrutiny again
  74. 2003-03-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Evolution Vurnabilites - Can't be Windows like enoug :-|
  75. 2003-03-21 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Evolution Vurnabilites - Can't be Windows like enoug
  76. 2003-03-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Evolution Vurnabilites - Can't be Windows like enoug :-|
  77. 2003-03-20 Jennifer Dozar <jennifer-at-orange.zorcat.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  78. 2003-03-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  79. 2003-03-20 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Membership List for election.
  80. 2003-03-20 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Time to Chime
  81. 2003-03-20 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) Hearing scheduled for HB 2892 (Oregon)
  82. 2003-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lock 'em Up
  83. 2003-03-20 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Lock 'em Up
  84. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Elections
  85. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] "ASP license", egovos fiasco
  86. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NY fair Use Pics
  87. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NY fair Use Pics
  88. 2003-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] "ASP license", egovos fiasco
  89. 2003-03-19 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) WindowsRefund.net: Petition targets Toshiba
  90. 2003-03-19 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] donations of corporate intellectual property to nonprofit organizations
  91. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  92. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] "ASP license", egovos fiasco
  93. 2003-03-19 From: "Richard M. Stallman - Autoreply Message" <rms-autoreply-control-at-gnu.org> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  94. 2003-03-19 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  95. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] "ASP license"
  96. 2003-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  97. 2003-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  98. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Embrace and...
  99. 2003-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CLASS CANCELLED TONITE - NO PERL CLASS
  100. 2003-03-18 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] PCWorld
  101. 2003-03-18 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Infomation on the NY Fair use action
  102. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Infomation on the NY Fair use action
  103. 2003-03-18 From: "Derrick Lewis" <lewisdj-at-bc.edu> Subject: [hangout] Static IP Internet Service (DSL/Cable)
  104. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Static IP Internet Service (DSL/Cable)
  105. 2003-03-18 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Installfeast and Distro CD
  106. 2003-03-18 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Press
  107. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] eGovOS protest
  108. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Classes this week
  109. 2003-03-18 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] eGovOS protest
  110. 2003-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press
  111. 2003-03-17 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast and Distro CD
  112. 2003-03-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Shaed Source Egovos
  113. 2003-03-17 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] Need a local source for Cat 5 wire and wall jacks
  114. 2003-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show On The Air Now http://www.nylxs.com/radio/
  115. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  116. 2003-03-16 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  117. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  118. 2003-03-16 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  119. 2003-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  120. 2003-03-16 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] What distros will be available at installfest?
  121. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show - Tomorrow at 8PM
  122. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Election General Membership Meeting
  123. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] TCP/IP Study Group starting Next Sunday
  124. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Planning meeting Tomorrow
  125. 2003-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Classes Beginning this week from the FSI
  126. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Macro - call me please
  127. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Can anyone assist/installfest/dual booting linux ipaq3670 on IBM micro-drive?
  128. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What's the procedure for mail forwarding from nylxs?
  129. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Who's in charge of the next business demo? Please contact me.
  130. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Who's in charge of the business improvement thing? Please contact me.
  131. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New collage on the front page
  132. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  133. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  134. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  135. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  136. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] Who's in charge of the business improvement thing? Please contact me.
  137. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] Who's in charge of the next business demo? Please contact me.
  138. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] What's the procedure for mail forwarding from nylxs?
  139. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] Can anyone assist/installfest/dual booting linux ipaq3670 on IBM micro-drive?
  140. 2003-03-14 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Washington Status
  141. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  142. 2003-03-14 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  143. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  144. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington Status
  145. 2003-03-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  146. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  147. 2003-03-14 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  148. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] We need someone with a Credit Card and a License
  149. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  150. 2003-03-14 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  151. 2003-03-14 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  152. 2003-03-14 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  153. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lawsuit from Jay
  154. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] blog software?
  155. 2003-03-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] blog software?
  156. 2003-03-13 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] blog software?
  157. 2003-03-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Program reminder
  158. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brett Wynkoop threatens to sue NYLXS for use of our own organizations
  159. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brett Wynkoop threatens to sue NYLXS for use of our own organizations
  160. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS/NY Fair Use Defense Fund
  161. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: plot thickens
  162. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Customes
  163. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Mission
  164. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: I want peace because...
  165. 2003-03-13 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] we need to start this now!
  166. 2003-03-13 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] I believe in the power of noise
  167. 2003-03-13 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] we need to start this now!
  168. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington DC
  169. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Headline - Microsoft 2.0: Meet the gentler software giant
  170. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
  171. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum; Response to Dave Williams
  172. 2003-03-12 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] freedom to tinker
  173. 2003-03-12 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum; Response to Dave Williams
  174. 2003-03-12 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  175. 2003-03-12 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  176. 2003-03-12 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] OSS and Inovation
  177. 2003-03-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS Meeting
  178. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
  179. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  180. 2003-03-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brett and Jay - Settlement Tomorrow
  181. 2003-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  182. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  183. 2003-03-11 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  184. 2003-03-11 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  185. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  186. 2003-03-11 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  187. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  188. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  189. 2003-03-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  190. 2003-03-11 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  191. 2003-03-11 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  192. 2003-03-11 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  193. 2003-03-11 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYSDL Training Disapproval
  194. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYSDL Training Disapproval
  195. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I'm heading out to the Killarny Rose - See you later
  196. 2003-03-11 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] NYSDL Training Disapproval
  197. 2003-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The new TIVO from AOL/Time-Warner (sniff can you smell DRM)
  198. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Everything in the Universe might not be what it seems
  199. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix 2 Start rescheduled for NEXT Week
  200. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washignton DC trip - Egov-OS
  201. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washignton DC trip - Egov-OS
  202. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washignton DC trip - Egov-OS
  203. 2003-03-10 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] NYLXS.com Registration
  204. 2003-03-10 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Grant Tutorials
  205. 2003-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: we need to start this now!
  206. 2003-03-10 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] we need to start this now!
  207. 2003-03-10 From: "William Brent" <wbrent-at-finepoint.com> RE: [hangout] The Mayor
  208. 2003-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show - Now archived
  209. 2003-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show - Now archived
  210. 2003-03-09 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] The Mayor
  211. 2003-03-09 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Fishing
  212. 2003-03-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Mayor
  213. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fishing
  214. 2003-03-09 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] Fishing
  215. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Balance Act
  216. 2003-03-09 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] The Balance Act
  217. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Tonight
  218. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS.com Registration
  219. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] While you were asleep, the internet was outlawed by the FCC
  220. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] While you were asleep, the internet was outlawed by the FCC
  221. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations
  222. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Roots - Collaberation
  223. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fishing
  224. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RIAA Website
  225. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flash Media Player Security Warning
  226. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  227. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  228. 2003-03-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  229. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  230. 2003-03-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  231. 2003-03-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  232. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [info-at-j2jnetwork.com: Invitation to attend a J2J Network Focus Group on the establishment of a Career Center]
  233. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] NYLXS Brooklyn Installfest/Radio Show
  234. 2003-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: NYSIA HotWire, Week of March 10, 2003]
  235. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYU Event - "Wireless Communications and the Future of Cities"
  236. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  237. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  238. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Brooklyn Installfest/Radio Show
  239. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Brooklyn Installfest/Radio Show
  240. 2003-03-07 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Journal
  241. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Journal
  242. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  243. 2003-03-07 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Subject: [hangout] NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  244. 2003-03-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  245. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] rhn-admin-at-rhn.redhat.com: RHN Errata Alert: Updated OpenSSL packages fix timing attack
  246. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  247. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  248. 2003-03-06 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  249. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Egov - Oppurtunity
  250. 2003-03-06 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] thing are starting to move get on the train
  251. 2003-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  252. 2003-03-06 Bill Putney <bputney-at-effective-tech.com> Re: [hangout] Bin laden
  253. 2003-03-06 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Bin laden
  254. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  255. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bin laden
  256. 2003-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  257. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  258. 2003-03-06 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  259. 2003-03-06 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] OS in Government article
  260. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Anti-competitive Practices: Egov-OS
  261. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop Linux
  262. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looks like an NYLXS Social Event
  263. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Mark_Andrews-at-isc.org: Internet Software Consortium Security Advisory: 5 March 2003]
  264. 2003-03-05 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] grant info
  265. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast
  266. 2003-03-05 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] FSCC Evening Meeting
  267. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Evening Meeting
  268. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS-NY Fair Use - Trip to Washington
  269. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS-NY Fair Use - Trip to Washington
  270. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jessica needs papers
  271. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS
  272. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  273. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Identity Management architect/engineer, United States, NJ, Bedminster]
  274. 2003-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  275. 2003-03-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  276. 2003-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  277. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  278. 2003-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  279. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  280. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  281. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Board Meeting?
  282. 2003-03-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] School Board Meeting?
  283. 2003-03-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  284. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] School Board Meeting?
  285. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linuxonwallstreet
  286. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  287. 2003-03-05 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  288. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] bash history
  289. 2003-03-04 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] partition tools
  290. 2003-03-04 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Accounting Technology
  291. 2003-03-04 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Accounting Technology Article
  292. 2003-03-29 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  293. 2003-03-28 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  294. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Slackware 9.0 is out!
  295. 2003-03-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  296. 2003-03-28 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  297. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Philip Bond Followup
  298. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Philip Bond Followup
  299. 2003-03-28 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Philip Bond Followup
  300. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Philip Bond Followup
  301. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Carteblancher-at-aol.com: [fairuse] Happy Birthday NY Fair Use]
  302. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: Department of Commerce meeting on Fair Use and Consumer Rights]
  303. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] jays sectet letter (with the rest of the conversation)
  304. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jays pushing me out of my own organization - because they THINK they can
  305. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [fairuse] Re: [nylug-talk] Fwd: [hangout] We are the stakholders in TEXT[ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]]
  306. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow]
  307. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Disagree with Jay, and he tries to steal your organization
  308. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Who was paying of NY Fair Use? What? Not NYLXS?
  309. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: Next Steps?]
  310. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org: Re: Next Steps?]
  311. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The beginning of the Jay attempt to steal NY Fair Use
  312. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org: Re: Department of Commerce Report]
  313. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: conference in northern france [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  314. 2003-03-27 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show this Sunday, request for topics/co-host
  315. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bordeux France
  316. 2003-03-27 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  317. 2003-03-27 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  318. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  319. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Earliest memntion of NY Fair Use
  320. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  321. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show: Looking for a Guest Host
  322. 2003-03-27 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] for grant writers
  323. 2003-03-27 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] for the grant writers
  324. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh No - the kiss of death ...
  325. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Meeting
  326. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Meeting
  327. 2003-03-26 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] California Energy Market Scandel
  328. 2003-03-26 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] California Energy Market Scandel
  329. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] California Energy Market Scandel
  330. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use Beginning Date
  331. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Beginning Date
  332. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] For the education committie
  333. 2003-03-26 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] For the education committie
  334. 2003-03-26 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] change in policy
  335. 2003-03-26 bluecitabria <bluecitabria-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  336. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  337. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RMS's comments on our article :):wq
  338. 2003-03-25 Kevin Milani <kevin-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  339. 2003-03-25 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  340. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Re: Monday 18:52 24 March 2003 settlement
  341. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [bingalls-at-fit-zones.com: Schools Project]
  342. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Today
  343. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Today
  344. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  345. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-at-ezrecruit.net: {1407}Training Systems Support Engineer opening in USA-New Jersey-Paramus]
  346. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: fscc
  347. 2003-03-24 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Re: fscc
  348. 2003-03-24 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] fscc
  349. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: fscc
  350. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-a46-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux Today Security Letter for March 24, 2003]
  351. 2003-03-24 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: 48 hours of efforts plus a response to Mr Wynkoop]
  352. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Voting Tonight!
  353. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MS Teaches how to right secure code
  354. 2003-03-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Newsforge article
  355. 2003-03-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Newsforge article
  356. 2003-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  357. 2003-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware 9.0 is out!
  358. 2003-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  359. 2003-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press
  360. 2003-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  361. 2003-03-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article Comments
  362. 2003-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] TCP/IP Study Group
  363. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Urgent Help needed to fend off Cybersquaters
  364. 2003-03-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us: NYLXS in LinuxFormat MAG]
  365. 2003-03-31 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] [MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us: NYLXS in LinuxFormat MAG]
  366. 2003-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS Election Results
  367. 2003-03-31 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Election Results
  368. 2003-03-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Grants
  369. 2003-03-31 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Tonight??
  370. 2003-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Tonight??
  371. 2003-03-31 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Tonight??
  372. 2003-03-31 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  373. 2003-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  374. 2003-03-30 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Slashdot | Microsoft Refuses To Fix NT 4.0 Exploit
  375. 2003-03-30 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft RPC hole could lead to DoS attacks Can we fix this with shared source?
  376. 2003-03-30 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Firewalls set to become illegal in many American states DMCA

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