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In the current edition of accounting technology they have an articile
concerning the growth of linux in business and accounting.

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In the current edition of accounting technology they have an articile
concerning the growth of linux in business and accounting.


Mr. Joseph A. Maffia, CPA

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New York, NY 10022

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by Richard McCausland

Who'd have=
guessed? Linux-based PCs from Sweden's Microtel are jostling for shelf=
space in Wal-Marts across the country against the likes of the Windows=
XP-based Compaq Presario.

Microtel may not be a household brand name=
yet, but it’s not for lack of trying. The entry-level Sysmart 710,=
with an 800MHz processor, 10GB hard drive, and 128MB of memory, sports an=
eye-grabbing price tag of $199.98. That includes a user interface that=
looks and feels like the ubiquitous Windows, and the ability to run select=
Windows programs. What’s more, users can download over 1,300=
programs--including more than fifty business applications--for only $99 a=
year.

Linux, an essentially free operating system developed in 1991=
that has steadily accumulated applications support from a worldwide=
development community linked via the Net, is out to make waves. Up against=
the likes of Apple’s Mac OS and Unix and especially Windows, Linux is=
targeting both the server environment--where it’s had its biggest=
successes to date--and the desktop. Mid-market accounting software=
developers aren’t just monitoring these trends; they’re=
responding as well. For instance:

• Accpac International, long=
in the Linux vanguard with its Advantage Series on Linux, last month began=
offering IBM’s DB2 Universal Database, which supports both Linux and=
Windows, as a standard component within the Advantage line. The offering=
includes three user licenses for DB2. Plans call for extending the=
agreement to the open-source code Pro Series.

• Accpac also has=
certified its Advantage and Pro Series for deployment on Sun=
Microsystems’ Linux-based line, including the new LX50 entry-level=
server that starts at $2,795.

• Last fall, Open Systems=
formalized a joint marketing agreement with Lindon, Utah-based SCO Group=
that will facilitate access by Open Systems VARs to the SCO Linux 4.0=
solutions partners program. The combination makes sense since, for all of=
Linux’ touted stability and cost effectiveness, "It’s not just=
a matter of having an operating system solution; you need a business=
solution as well" to succeed in the marketplace, contends product=
development manager Dave Link. Plans call for the two companies to share=
leads.

• Appgen Business Software, an open-source developer=
headquartered in Hauppauge, N.Y., is bundling the Linux-driven Toshiba=
Magnia SG20 appliance server with its own MyBooks accounting package and a=
wireless PC card, for a suggested price of $1,697. "Our VARs are grabbing=
onto that," says Appgen chief technology officer Errol=
Allaheerdi.

• In the U.K., Best Software parent Sage Group and=
IBM have struck an agreement for the Sage Line 500 accounting and business=
management software to operate on the=20IBM -at-server iSeries running on=
Linux. Also, Sage Line 500 is available for Linux on IBM Intel-based=
servers.

But that last deal is overseas. Here in the States, Windows=
is effectively the "de facto standard" among small and medium-sized=
businesses, with usage "in the high 90s percentile," according to=
Best’s Irvine, Calif.-based Mid-Market Division president David=
Butler.

He says, "From a business person’s perspective,=
everyone is thinking Windows," especially given an already hefty investment=
in Windows-based applications software, not least Microsoft Office. Butler=
notes, "If there’s not a compelling reason for mid-market companies=
to change [technology infrastructure], then they don’t=
change."

Still, Best continues to monitor end-user perceptions with=
regard to Linux, and "we would obviously move to meet customer needs"=
should they begin to embrace Linux to a significant degree.

Might=
that happen? In its predictions for 2003, Framingham, Mass.-based market=
research firm IDC says Linux will continue to gain ground against major=
operating system competitor Unix.

Along similar lines, Robert=
Spencer, partner in Network Management Group in Gulf Breeze, Fla., is=
predicting that this year, "Linux will come out of the background and enter=
mainstream computing--read Ôdesktop’--in the United States." He=
contends Linux is "already mainstream" in the rest of the world.

A=
shaky economy has people out scouting for more cost-effective systems, he=
says. However, the "FUD factor"--fear, uncertainty, and doubt--is causing=
people to think twice about moving away from a heavily entrenched Windows=
environment. Also, he concedes Linux "is not really for everybody yet;=
it’s not an easy solution to install. But it’s getting=
better."

Linux is making significant strides at positioning itself as=
a desktop player, deemed necessary to becoming a viable Windows alternative=
in the mid-market business environment. For example, Sun’s Linux=
desktop solution, Mad Hatter, is slated for beta this spring and for=
general availability this summer.

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IDC: VARs Wary=
of Linux

Although viewing Linux as a growth opportunity,=
value-added resellers are mostly taking a pass for now on this open-source=
alternative to Windows, according to Framingham, Mass.-based market=
research firm IDC.

"Resellers are unsure of the profitability that a=
partnership with a Linux distributor or a Linux-specific partnership with a=
system vendor would bring," says Kevin Restivo, program manager for=
IDC’s Software Strategic Alliances program. Only when distributors=
and system vendors develop easier-to-use Linux operating systems will=
resellers be more inclined to invest in Linux, suggests IDC in "Linux: A=
Supplier’s Guide to Reseller Views," released last=
year.

However, Restivo cautions, "Vendors looking to push Linux into=
the channel need to ensure they target those partners that can provide the=
necessary high value-add activities to maximize investments in Linux, such=
as the necessary consulting and integration=
skills."

Sun already is marketing=
StarOffice 6.0, which runs on multiple operating systems including its=
proprietary Solaris, Windows, and Linux. The suite features word=
processing, spreadsheet, presentation, graphics, and database capabilities.=
A 25-user pack for small and medium enterprises goes for $1,500, while a=
$75.95 retail version is targeted to the small office/home office=
space.

Among other developments, Hewlett Packard--parent of the=
XP-powered Presario--last month began offering Red Hat Version 7.3=
pre-installed on its HP xw line of personal workstations. And IBM has=
extended Linux client support for Lotus iNotes Web Access.

As for=
Oakland, Calif.-based SuSE, it has brought out Pro-Office, priced at $24.95=
and including the StarOffice Suite, the KDE 3.0.1 graphical user interface,=
and SuSE Linux 8.0 patches. At $129, the Office Desktop gives users the=
option of running Microsoft Office or StarOffice, and choosing between KDE=
and Gnome interfaces. Other supported applications on Office Desktop=
include Intuit’s Quicken.

Significant=
Growth

"Linux is growing pretty significantly on the=
[server] back-end, and it’s growing more and more on the [desktop]=
front-end," says Accpac product management vice president Craig Downing. He=
cites the launch of SuSE’s Office Desktop, with a port for running=
Microsoft Office. That should help to win over business users for whom=
"Microsoft Office was far too precious" to consider using alternatives such=
as StarOffice.

"More aggressive clients," because of the current=
economic climate, are scrutinizing ways to save money, according to=
Downing. A distributor might realize that staffers who pick-and-pack=
require only a screen or two of data, and thereby conclude, "We don’t=
want to be buying copies of XP or Office for people who don’t need=
them. Why don’t we start mixing and matching?"

Downing believes=
the DB2 bundling deal with IBM, which takes in the DB2 Workgroup Edition=
Server for both Linux and Windows, will help to further stimulate Linux=
acceptance. With the first three DB2 licenses free, he estimates a company=
could set up a five-user Linux environment for as little as $100 for the=
additional two users. "For new clients looking at the Advantage Series,=
it’s an attractive option," he says.

Customers may of course=
opt for Windows, and Accpac will continue to support the Pervasive.SQL=
database, Downing stresses.

But for now, mix-and-match is pretty much=
the order of the day. "Most of the Linux servers that are going in have=
Windows clients," acknowledges Scott Handy, director of Linux solutions=
marketing for IBM, based in Somers, N.Y. But the emergence of an end-to-end=
Linux environment is taking shape. "The applications vendors are the ones=
who will bring the customers," he states. "They’re the ones with=
solutions and who know the mid-market customers." That’s why IBM is=
allying itself with companies like Accpac. It not only has the business=
applications, it has an extensive sales channel. Linux may not represent a=
sustainable business on its own, but there certainly are "incremental=
opportunities" for resellers and consultants, says Handy. Moreover, Accpac=
VARs will also recognize, "This is another way I can differentiate myself=
from my Great Plains competitor."

IBM is currently working with=
Accpac to bring the channel up to speed on DB2, which Handy describes as=
Accpac’s "database of choice."

Herndon, Va.-based SystemLink=
has already closed several Linux deals, including a "tremendous uptick" at=
its London office. "There’s just so much more penetration in Europe,"=
observes president David Beck, "and we’re forecasting that will=
trickle out to the U.S. as people realize Linux is a less expensive [than=
Windows] but very robust operating system."

He’s enthusiastic=
about the Accpac DB2 deal. "We’re going to be recommending it for=
many of our new installations," says Beck. "This is going to make a=
difference. It scales from low to very high end. We’re excited about=
its future."

Beck continues, "Linux is in a position to gain real=
market share at the server level." He believes, though, that "the desktop=
is down the road."

Laura Marino Welsch Consulting in Irvine, Calif.,=
is a Pro Series reseller. Owner Welsch has had perhaps two inquiries for=
Linux, "but it’s important that it’s there," she says. She has=
seen a gradual upward shift in recent years from five-to-ten-user system=
implementations up to twenty users and more. That means costly software=
licenses. But without IT staffing and a perceived dearth of Linux business=
applications, middle-market firms will remain skittish.

Linux’=
gains at the desktop, as embodied by the Microtel incursion, will help to=
turn that around, she predicts. "I’m seeing, as the desktop has been=
reduced to a commodity item, customers are getting more comfortable=
ordering stuff and having someone plug it in for them"--whatever the=
operating system.

Platform Portability

As the=
name would suggest, Shakopee, Minn.-based Open Systems embraces not only=
open source code for its accounting applications, but also platform=
portability (Linux, Windows, and various flavors of Unix) for the Open=
Systems Accounting Software line. The Traverse product line runs only on=
Microsoft.

Being in the field, VARs have the best sense of what=
functionality small businesses need to operate profitably, and can serve to=
educate the customer base as to the merits of Linux. "It’s absolutely=
critical that the reseller community gets behind this," says Link. In fact,=
"That’s essential no matter what the operating system=
is."

Marketing vice president Mil Miketic adds, "The biggest issue=
today with Linux is marketing. People don’t know there’s an=
alternative to Microsoft. That’s only just happening."

The word=
must be getting out. Linux represents "a significant percentage" of OSAS=
sales, according to Miketic. Of course, Open Systems benefits from selling=
the Windows-based Traverse line as well. "That’s probably our key=
advantage" against most mid-market accounting software rivals, says Link.=
"We can mix [Windows and Linux solutions] on the same implementation. That=
allows us to play in areas where some of our competitors=
can’t."

Appgen, meanwhile, is getting a positive response from=
the channel for its Magnia/MyBooks bundle. That’s crucial, since "in=
the small business market, we find it’s the VARs who are doing=20a=
tremendous job of pushing Linux," says Allaheerdi.

Appgen has its=
entire product line running on Linux, Windows, Mac OS X, SCO Unix,=
IBM’s AIX, and other Unix flavors. Products include MyBooks=
accounting and a Custom Suite with general business=
applications.

Customers are responding as well. "We’re making a=
lot of sales to people interested in an open environment and in choice,=
although initially they’re running their systems on Windows," he=
says. They recognize, however, that as their businesses grow, they may want=
or even need to mix platforms.

Business Network Solutions in Jackson,=
Miss., an Appgen reseller, has many clients running Linux as a back-office=
server while keeping Windows on the desktop. Others are "running Linux end=
to end"--such as one client who runs a chain of funeral homes with fourteen=
desktops and one server, all Linux-based. Clients may care to some degree=
about operating systems, but first and foremost, "they want to get their=
job done," notes owner Ben Duncan. Linux, alone or in tandem with Windows,=
lets them do that.

Still, some vendors are adopting more of a=
wait-and-see attitude.

Softline, an open source advocate via its=
Visual AccountMate line, continues to keep Linux "on our drawing board."=
David Dierke, executive vice president of sales for Softline North America,=
based in Novato, Calif., explains, "The market is still pretty dominant=
Microsoft," and that won’t be changing any time soon, he=
suggests.

Because of the troubled economy, within the mid-market "the=
days of having one or two IT guys on staff are over," says Dierke, so users=
aren’t likely to tangle with the complexities of Linux. "They want a=
pretty stable platform"--meaning Windows, for which there is an existing=
massive library of business application packages and functional=
extensions.

In-House Loyalties

Unsurprisingly,=
Microsoft Business Solutions, whose product lines encompass Great Plains,=
Solomon, Navision, and Axapta, is staunchly pro-Windows. There are, of=
course, initiatives such as Microsoft Services for Unix 3.0 to provide=
clients with cross-platform support. But regarding Linux, that remains=
largely a higher-end server player. "We don’t see much out there in=
terms of the desktop," notes Franc Camara, director of business strategies=
for Microsoft worldwide, small and medium businesses.

height=3D"213" alt=3D"" src=3D"../../ewebeditpro2/upload/wsl.gif"=
width=3D"191" align=3D"left" border=3D"0" />"Honestly, there’s a lot=
more noise than presence," he says. He further suggests that some of the=
noise is off the mark, as when contrasts are drawn between "free" Linux and=
Windows 2000 without taking into consideration related hardware,=
deployment, testing, and support. "All that is cost," states=
Camara.

In a study sponsored by Microsoft but conducted by IDC,=
"Windows 2000 Versus Linux in Enterprise Computing," the research firm=
concludes that Windows 2000 offers lower total cost than Linux in four of=
five workloads common to corporate IT environments: network infrastructure,=
print serving, file serving, and security applications. Linux won the=
decision in Web serving.

Gregory Price, CPA, director of consulting=
solutions for PKF of Texas, a Houston-based IT consulting firm and Navision=
Solution Center, says his mid-market clientele typically don’t have a=
strong technical person on staff, "so they pretty much want to stay in the=
mainstream." That means Microsoft. "I’ve never had one person ask me=
about Linux," he says.

He believes Linux will have some measure of=
success among middle-market companies in a hosting environment, where IT=
managers can worry about the technology and small business owners can=
continue to concentrate on their businesses. He cites San Antonio,=
Texas.-based Rackspace Managed Hosting, a Red Hat strategic partner that=
provides clients with the servers, software, bandwidth, and management=
needed to run their hosted applications. These may run on Linux, Windows=
2000, Solaris, and Unix-based, open-source BSD servers.

Also going=
the hosting route is Boston-based OpenAir, which provides Web-native,=
Linux-based professional services automation software that includes time=
and expense tracking; project estimating, accounting, and management;=
resource planning; knowledge management; purchase orders; billing; and=
business intelligence.

Marketing vice president Jeff Hunt has no=
misgivings about Linux. "The trends are so prevalent about the success open=
source is having," he says. "Right now it’s risky to recommend [to=
customers] any kind of closed, proprietary system since that potentially=
could exclude them from new applications and services that are cropping=
up."

By offering its Open Air Complete PSA software on a Linux=
platform, the vendor is able to price its online services "significantly=
below" comparable services from rivals, according to Hunt.

Low price=
and easy modification are two key forces behind Linux’ spreading=
acceptance. Other factors are also at work. In the view of=
SystemLink’s Beck, "The initial spin people put on Linux was the open=
source. But I don’t think that’s what’s driving interest.=
In the middle market what’s driving interest is choice--that is, a=
choice other than Microsoft."


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NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc

  1. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS Meeting
  2. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS Meeting
  3. 2003-03-02 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai
  4. 2003-03-02 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  5. 2003-03-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  6. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  7. 2003-03-02 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  8. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  9. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] That's interesting - The registration date is the same date
  10. 2003-03-02 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai
  11. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  12. 2003-03-02 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Yorkers For Fair Us
  13. 2003-03-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai
  14. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Yorkers For Fair Use
  15. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Yorkers For Fair Use
  16. 2003-03-02 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Yorkers For Fair Use
  17. 2003-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  18. 2003-03-01 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use
  19. 2003-03-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  20. 2003-03-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Humor, Don MArti Style
  21. 2003-03-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SIRUS
  22. 2003-03-01 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] SIRUS
  23. 2003-03-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  24. 2003-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SIRUS
  25. 2003-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SIRUS
  26. 2003-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Strangly enough, the viao sound works
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  31. 2003-03-01 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fair Use
  32. 2003-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mail possibilities for the group.
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  35. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Digital Rights Meeting at 92nd Street Y
  36. 2003-03-03 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Digital Rights Meeting at 92nd Street Y
  37. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Digital Rights Meeting at 92nd Street Y
  38. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
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  40. 2003-03-04 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: NY Fair Use/NYLXS Meeting
  41. 2003-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Web Site Activity
  42. 2003-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Web Site Activity
  43. 2003-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Next Free Software Business Expo
  44. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] KEVON MILANI Pagoing
  45. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  46. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce Network Meeting at Noon
  47. 2003-03-03 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) SANS Alert - Critical Vulnerability in Sendmail and a Snort Vulnerability
  48. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  49. 2003-03-23 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  50. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More egov-os stupidity
  51. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU-Darwin (IE MAC) clueless about more than one thing
  52. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journals - Where are they?
  53. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] WWWACS Event
  54. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Job Possibility
  55. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  56. 2003-03-22 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations
  57. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  58. 2003-03-22 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  59. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations
  60. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  61. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article in text
  62. 2003-03-22 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  63. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Preliminary draft of article for NY Fair Use - egovos - POSTSCRIPT
  64. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Preliminary draft of article for NY Fair Use - egovos
  65. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MS EULA VRS GPL
  66. 2003-03-21 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] DMCA Comments
  67. 2003-03-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA Comments
  68. 2003-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  69. 2003-03-21 jonathan jacobs <gnunewyork-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] lock 'em up
  70. 2003-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  71. 2003-03-21 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  72. 2003-03-21 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  73. 2003-03-21 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA goes under public scrutiny again
  74. 2003-03-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Evolution Vurnabilites - Can't be Windows like enoug :-|
  75. 2003-03-21 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Evolution Vurnabilites - Can't be Windows like enoug
  76. 2003-03-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Evolution Vurnabilites - Can't be Windows like enoug :-|
  77. 2003-03-20 Jennifer Dozar <jennifer-at-orange.zorcat.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  78. 2003-03-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  79. 2003-03-20 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Membership List for election.
  80. 2003-03-20 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Time to Chime
  81. 2003-03-20 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) Hearing scheduled for HB 2892 (Oregon)
  82. 2003-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lock 'em Up
  83. 2003-03-20 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Lock 'em Up
  84. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Elections
  85. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] "ASP license", egovos fiasco
  86. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NY fair Use Pics
  87. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NY fair Use Pics
  88. 2003-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] "ASP license", egovos fiasco
  89. 2003-03-19 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) WindowsRefund.net: Petition targets Toshiba
  90. 2003-03-19 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] donations of corporate intellectual property to nonprofit organizations
  91. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  92. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] "ASP license", egovos fiasco
  93. 2003-03-19 From: "Richard M. Stallman - Autoreply Message" <rms-autoreply-control-at-gnu.org> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  94. 2003-03-19 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  95. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] "ASP license"
  96. 2003-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  97. 2003-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  98. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Embrace and...
  99. 2003-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CLASS CANCELLED TONITE - NO PERL CLASS
  100. 2003-03-18 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] PCWorld
  101. 2003-03-18 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Infomation on the NY Fair use action
  102. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Infomation on the NY Fair use action
  103. 2003-03-18 From: "Derrick Lewis" <lewisdj-at-bc.edu> Subject: [hangout] Static IP Internet Service (DSL/Cable)
  104. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Static IP Internet Service (DSL/Cable)
  105. 2003-03-18 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Installfeast and Distro CD
  106. 2003-03-18 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Press
  107. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] eGovOS protest
  108. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Classes this week
  109. 2003-03-18 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] eGovOS protest
  110. 2003-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press
  111. 2003-03-17 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast and Distro CD
  112. 2003-03-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Shaed Source Egovos
  113. 2003-03-17 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] Need a local source for Cat 5 wire and wall jacks
  114. 2003-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show On The Air Now http://www.nylxs.com/radio/
  115. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  116. 2003-03-16 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  117. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  118. 2003-03-16 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  119. 2003-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  120. 2003-03-16 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] What distros will be available at installfest?
  121. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show - Tomorrow at 8PM
  122. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Election General Membership Meeting
  123. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] TCP/IP Study Group starting Next Sunday
  124. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Planning meeting Tomorrow
  125. 2003-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Classes Beginning this week from the FSI
  126. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Macro - call me please
  127. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Can anyone assist/installfest/dual booting linux ipaq3670 on IBM micro-drive?
  128. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What's the procedure for mail forwarding from nylxs?
  129. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Who's in charge of the next business demo? Please contact me.
  130. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Who's in charge of the business improvement thing? Please contact me.
  131. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New collage on the front page
  132. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  133. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  134. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  135. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  136. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] Who's in charge of the business improvement thing? Please contact me.
  137. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] Who's in charge of the next business demo? Please contact me.
  138. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] What's the procedure for mail forwarding from nylxs?
  139. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] Can anyone assist/installfest/dual booting linux ipaq3670 on IBM micro-drive?
  140. 2003-03-14 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Washington Status
  141. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  142. 2003-03-14 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  143. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  144. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington Status
  145. 2003-03-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  146. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  147. 2003-03-14 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  148. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] We need someone with a Credit Card and a License
  149. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  150. 2003-03-14 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  151. 2003-03-14 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  152. 2003-03-14 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  153. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lawsuit from Jay
  154. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] blog software?
  155. 2003-03-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] blog software?
  156. 2003-03-13 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] blog software?
  157. 2003-03-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Program reminder
  158. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brett Wynkoop threatens to sue NYLXS for use of our own organizations
  159. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brett Wynkoop threatens to sue NYLXS for use of our own organizations
  160. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS/NY Fair Use Defense Fund
  161. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: plot thickens
  162. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Customes
  163. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Mission
  164. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: I want peace because...
  165. 2003-03-13 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] we need to start this now!
  166. 2003-03-13 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] I believe in the power of noise
  167. 2003-03-13 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] we need to start this now!
  168. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington DC
  169. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Headline - Microsoft 2.0: Meet the gentler software giant
  170. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
  171. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum; Response to Dave Williams
  172. 2003-03-12 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] freedom to tinker
  173. 2003-03-12 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum; Response to Dave Williams
  174. 2003-03-12 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  175. 2003-03-12 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  176. 2003-03-12 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] OSS and Inovation
  177. 2003-03-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS Meeting
  178. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
  179. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  180. 2003-03-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brett and Jay - Settlement Tomorrow
  181. 2003-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  182. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  183. 2003-03-11 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  184. 2003-03-11 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  185. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  186. 2003-03-11 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  187. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  188. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  189. 2003-03-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  190. 2003-03-11 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  191. 2003-03-11 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  192. 2003-03-11 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  193. 2003-03-11 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYSDL Training Disapproval
  194. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYSDL Training Disapproval
  195. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I'm heading out to the Killarny Rose - See you later
  196. 2003-03-11 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] NYSDL Training Disapproval
  197. 2003-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The new TIVO from AOL/Time-Warner (sniff can you smell DRM)
  198. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Everything in the Universe might not be what it seems
  199. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix 2 Start rescheduled for NEXT Week
  200. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washignton DC trip - Egov-OS
  201. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washignton DC trip - Egov-OS
  202. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washignton DC trip - Egov-OS
  203. 2003-03-10 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] NYLXS.com Registration
  204. 2003-03-10 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Grant Tutorials
  205. 2003-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: we need to start this now!
  206. 2003-03-10 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] we need to start this now!
  207. 2003-03-10 From: "William Brent" <wbrent-at-finepoint.com> RE: [hangout] The Mayor
  208. 2003-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show - Now archived
  209. 2003-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show - Now archived
  210. 2003-03-09 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] The Mayor
  211. 2003-03-09 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Fishing
  212. 2003-03-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Mayor
  213. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fishing
  214. 2003-03-09 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] Fishing
  215. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Balance Act
  216. 2003-03-09 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] The Balance Act
  217. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Tonight
  218. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS.com Registration
  219. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] While you were asleep, the internet was outlawed by the FCC
  220. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] While you were asleep, the internet was outlawed by the FCC
  221. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations
  222. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Roots - Collaberation
  223. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fishing
  224. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RIAA Website
  225. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flash Media Player Security Warning
  226. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  227. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  228. 2003-03-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  229. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  230. 2003-03-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  231. 2003-03-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  232. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [info-at-j2jnetwork.com: Invitation to attend a J2J Network Focus Group on the establishment of a Career Center]
  233. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] NYLXS Brooklyn Installfest/Radio Show
  234. 2003-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: NYSIA HotWire, Week of March 10, 2003]
  235. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYU Event - "Wireless Communications and the Future of Cities"
  236. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  237. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  238. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Brooklyn Installfest/Radio Show
  239. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Brooklyn Installfest/Radio Show
  240. 2003-03-07 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Journal
  241. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Journal
  242. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  243. 2003-03-07 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Subject: [hangout] NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  244. 2003-03-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  245. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] rhn-admin-at-rhn.redhat.com: RHN Errata Alert: Updated OpenSSL packages fix timing attack
  246. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  247. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  248. 2003-03-06 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  249. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Egov - Oppurtunity
  250. 2003-03-06 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] thing are starting to move get on the train
  251. 2003-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  252. 2003-03-06 Bill Putney <bputney-at-effective-tech.com> Re: [hangout] Bin laden
  253. 2003-03-06 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Bin laden
  254. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  255. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bin laden
  256. 2003-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  257. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  258. 2003-03-06 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  259. 2003-03-06 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] OS in Government article
  260. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Anti-competitive Practices: Egov-OS
  261. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop Linux
  262. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looks like an NYLXS Social Event
  263. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Mark_Andrews-at-isc.org: Internet Software Consortium Security Advisory: 5 March 2003]
  264. 2003-03-05 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] grant info
  265. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast
  266. 2003-03-05 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] FSCC Evening Meeting
  267. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Evening Meeting
  268. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS-NY Fair Use - Trip to Washington
  269. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS-NY Fair Use - Trip to Washington
  270. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jessica needs papers
  271. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS
  272. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  273. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Identity Management architect/engineer, United States, NJ, Bedminster]
  274. 2003-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  275. 2003-03-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  276. 2003-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  277. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  278. 2003-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  279. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  280. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  281. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Board Meeting?
  282. 2003-03-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] School Board Meeting?
  283. 2003-03-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  284. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] School Board Meeting?
  285. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linuxonwallstreet
  286. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  287. 2003-03-05 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  288. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] bash history
  289. 2003-03-04 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] partition tools
  290. 2003-03-04 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Accounting Technology
  291. 2003-03-04 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Accounting Technology Article
  292. 2003-03-29 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  293. 2003-03-28 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  294. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Slackware 9.0 is out!
  295. 2003-03-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  296. 2003-03-28 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  297. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Philip Bond Followup
  298. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Philip Bond Followup
  299. 2003-03-28 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Philip Bond Followup
  300. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Philip Bond Followup
  301. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Carteblancher-at-aol.com: [fairuse] Happy Birthday NY Fair Use]
  302. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: Department of Commerce meeting on Fair Use and Consumer Rights]
  303. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] jays sectet letter (with the rest of the conversation)
  304. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jays pushing me out of my own organization - because they THINK they can
  305. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [fairuse] Re: [nylug-talk] Fwd: [hangout] We are the stakholders in TEXT[ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]]
  306. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow]
  307. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Disagree with Jay, and he tries to steal your organization
  308. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Who was paying of NY Fair Use? What? Not NYLXS?
  309. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: Next Steps?]
  310. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org: Re: Next Steps?]
  311. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The beginning of the Jay attempt to steal NY Fair Use
  312. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org: Re: Department of Commerce Report]
  313. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: conference in northern france [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  314. 2003-03-27 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show this Sunday, request for topics/co-host
  315. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bordeux France
  316. 2003-03-27 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  317. 2003-03-27 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  318. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  319. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Earliest memntion of NY Fair Use
  320. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  321. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show: Looking for a Guest Host
  322. 2003-03-27 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] for grant writers
  323. 2003-03-27 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] for the grant writers
  324. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh No - the kiss of death ...
  325. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Meeting
  326. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Meeting
  327. 2003-03-26 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] California Energy Market Scandel
  328. 2003-03-26 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] California Energy Market Scandel
  329. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] California Energy Market Scandel
  330. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use Beginning Date
  331. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Beginning Date
  332. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] For the education committie
  333. 2003-03-26 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] For the education committie
  334. 2003-03-26 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] change in policy
  335. 2003-03-26 bluecitabria <bluecitabria-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  336. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  337. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RMS's comments on our article :):wq
  338. 2003-03-25 Kevin Milani <kevin-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  339. 2003-03-25 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  340. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Re: Monday 18:52 24 March 2003 settlement
  341. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [bingalls-at-fit-zones.com: Schools Project]
  342. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Today
  343. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Today
  344. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  345. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-at-ezrecruit.net: {1407}Training Systems Support Engineer opening in USA-New Jersey-Paramus]
  346. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: fscc
  347. 2003-03-24 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Re: fscc
  348. 2003-03-24 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] fscc
  349. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: fscc
  350. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-a46-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux Today Security Letter for March 24, 2003]
  351. 2003-03-24 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: 48 hours of efforts plus a response to Mr Wynkoop]
  352. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Voting Tonight!
  353. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MS Teaches how to right secure code
  354. 2003-03-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Newsforge article
  355. 2003-03-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Newsforge article
  356. 2003-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  357. 2003-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware 9.0 is out!
  358. 2003-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  359. 2003-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press
  360. 2003-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  361. 2003-03-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article Comments
  362. 2003-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] TCP/IP Study Group
  363. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Urgent Help needed to fend off Cybersquaters
  364. 2003-03-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us: NYLXS in LinuxFormat MAG]
  365. 2003-03-31 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] [MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us: NYLXS in LinuxFormat MAG]
  366. 2003-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS Election Results
  367. 2003-03-31 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Election Results
  368. 2003-03-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Grants
  369. 2003-03-31 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Tonight??
  370. 2003-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Tonight??
  371. 2003-03-31 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Tonight??
  372. 2003-03-31 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  373. 2003-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  374. 2003-03-30 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Slashdot | Microsoft Refuses To Fix NT 4.0 Exploit
  375. 2003-03-30 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft RPC hole could lead to DoS attacks Can we fix this with shared source?
  376. 2003-03-30 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Firewalls set to become illegal in many American states DMCA

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