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March 11, 2003 Universe as Doughnut: New Data, New Debate By DENNIS
OVERBYE

Long ago in the dawn of the computer age, college students often whiled
away the nights playing a computer game called Spacewar. It consisted of
two rocket ships attempting to blast each other out of the sky with
torpedoes while trying to avoid falling into a star at the center of the
screen.

Although cartoonish in appearance, the game was amazingly faithful to
the laws of physics, complete with a gravitational field that affected
both the torpedoes and the rockets. Only one feature seemed outlandish:
a ship that drifted off the edge of the screen would reappear on the
opposite side.

Real space couldn't work that way.

Or could it?

Imagine that the Spacewar screen is wrapped around to form a cylinder or
a section of a doughnut so that the two edges meet.

That is the picture of space, some cosmologists say, that has been
suggested by a new detailed map of the early universe. Their analysis of
this map has now provided a series of hints ? though only hints ? that
the universe may have a more complicated shape than astronomers
presumed.

Rather than being infinite in all directions, as the most fashionable
theory suggests, the universe could be radically smaller in one
direction than the others. As a result it may be even be shaped like a
doughnut.

"There's a hint in the data that if you traveled far and fast in the
direction of the constellation Virgo, you'd return to Earth from the
opposite direction," said Dr. Max Tegmark, a cosmologist at the
University of Pennsylvania.

The new data have generated both buzz and skepticism among cosmologists
in recent weeks. Dr. Tegmark and other astronomers agree that the
measurements are far from conclusive, or even persuasive about the shape
of the universe.

But if true, the doughnut universe would force cosmologists to
reconsider their theories about what happened in the earliest moments
after the universe was born in the Big Bang; those theories predict an
infinite cosmos.

The new findings have brought to center stage the hope that astronomers
may be able to test speculations about the shape, or topology, of the
universe that until recently have been relegated to the abstract
mathematical margins of cosmology.

The results are part of the bounty of data produced by a NASA satellite
known as the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, built and operated by
an international collaboration led by Dr. Charles L. Bennett of the
Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. The satellite recorded the
pattern of heat, in the form of faint microwave radiation, that fills
the sky.

This radiation is believed to be the afterglow of the Big Bang itself,
and thus constitutes a portrait of the universe when it was only 380,000
years old.

As the COBE satellite first confirmed in 1992, the microwave cloud is
laced with ripples and splotches ? lumps in the cosmic gravy ? from
which galaxies and other cosmic structures would ultimately form.

According to theory, these lumps are born as microscopic fluctuations
during the first instant of time and then amplified into sound waves as
the universe expands and matter and energy slosh around.

Now the new satellite has illuminated the findings of COBE (pronounced
KOE-bee, for Cosmic Background Explorer) in exquisite detail.

By analyzing these waves cosmologists can determine many of the
characteristics of the universe, which scientists have long debated,
like its age and density. To their delight, the first results from the
Wilkinson satellite, released last month, confirmed many of the strange
ideas that cosmologists entertained in the last decade, including the
notion that most of the universe consists of something called dark
energy, which is pushing space apart at an accelerating rate.

"Cosmologists have built a house of cards and it stands," said Dr. James
Peebles, a cosmologist at Princeton.

But to their even greater delight, perhaps, as they dig into the trove
released last month, cosmologists are finding hints of even more
strangeness.

In principle, in an infinite universe, the waves in the cosmic fireball
should appear randomly around the sky at all sizes. But, according to
the new map, there seems to be a limit to the size of the waves, with
none extending more than 60 degrees across the sky.

The effect was first noted as a puzzle in the COBE data, according to
Dr. Gary Hinshaw, an astronomer at the Goddard Space Flight Center and a
member of the Wilkinson probe team, and now seems confirmed.

If the universe were a guitar string, it would be missing its deepest
notes, the ones with the longest wavelengths, perhaps because it is not
big enough to sustain them.

"The fact that there appears to be an angular cutoff hints at a special
distance scale in the universe," Dr. Hinshaw said.

Another analysis of the new map suggests that there is a special
direction, as well as a special scale in the universe. While reanalyzing
the Wilkinson data to eliminate radio noise from stars and our own
galaxy, Dr. Tegmark, Dr. Angélica de Oliveira-Costa, also at
Pennsylvania and married to Dr. Tegmark, and Dr. Andrew J. S. Hamilton
of the University of Colorado have discovered that the universe appears
lumpier in one direction through space than it does in another. When
they combed finer variations out of the map, the remaining large-scale
variations formed a line across the sky.

It could be a chance alignment, a statistical fluke, Dr. Tegmark said,
or contamination from radio noise from the galaxy.

But in a paper posted on the physics Web site (at arXiv.org/pdf
/astro-ph/0302496) late last month, the three cosmologists wrote that it
was "difficult not to be intrigued" that their results bore all the
earmarks of what are variously called small, compact, finite or periodic
universes.

If the universe is finite in one dimension, like a cylinder or a
doughnut, Dr. Tegmark said in an interview, there is a limit to the size
of clumps that can fit in that direction. They couldn't be bigger than
the universe in that direction, just as a guitar string can only play a
note so low, depending on its length. So the biggest blobs would have to
squish out in a plane in other directions. The way home around the
doughnut would be perpendicular to that plane.

Nobody is yet claiming that this is a revolution. The notion of a
special direction is on less firm ground than the discovery of a cutoff
of large structures. "More detailed work in needed to clarify what's
going on," Dr. Tegmark said.

Dr. Martin Rees, a cosmologist at Cambridge University," said he didn't
think there was evidence for "anything crazy" in the data.

Even aficionados of finite universes are guarded. Dr. David Spergel, a
Princeton cosmologist and Wilkinson satellite team member, called the
results "intriguing," but cautioned that they could also be due to
chance.

Dr. Hinshaw called the findings of Dr. Tegmark's team "surprisingly
robust," but added, "I'm not sure it says something profound about the
universe."

Dr. Alexei Starobinski, a theorist at the Landau Institute in Moscow,
proposed in 1984 with his mentor, Dr. Yakov B. Zeldovich, that the
universe could have been born as a doughnut. Dr. Starobinski emphasized
that an infinite universe with ordinary Euclidean geometry was the most
natural universe and still favored by theory.

"However, theory is theory, but observations might tell us something
different," he said in an e-mail message.


The Science of Shapes A Compact Universe Like Mirrored Halls

The new work involves topology, the branch of mathematics that deals
with shapes. Topologists are often accused of not knowing the difference
between a coffee mug and a doughnut; because each object has one hole,
the two can be deformed into each other and are thus topologically
equivalent. In a similar vein, a figure 8 and a pair of eyeglass frames
are also the same to a topologist. The more holes, the more complicated
the topology.

The simplest topology is just the infinite space of the Euclidean
geometry taught in high school. But some cosmologists have a hard time
calculating how an infinite universe could have appeared in that kind of
space. Nature, they contend, might have had an easier time making a
small "compact" universe than an infinite one, and they assume Nature
would take the easy way out.

"The basic idea is that God's on a budget," said Dr. George Smoot, a
physicist at the University of California's Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
and a leader on the COBE team.

The simplest of these compact universes is something called a 3-torus, a
doughnut wrapped in three different dimensions. This object is
essentially impossible to visualize: it is the equivalent, in a way, of
a cube whose opposite sides are somehow glued together. In two
dimensions it works just like the Spacewar screen.

Living in such a universe would be like being inside a hall of mirrors,
Dr. Tegmark said. Instead of seeing new stars deeper and deeper in
space, you see the same things over and over again as light travels out
one side of your cube and back in the other.

This mirror game is not limited to cubes and doughnuts. Over the years
mathematicians, particularly Dr. William Paul Thurston, now at the
University of California at Davis, and Dr. Jeffrey Weeks, an independent
mathematician, have speculated about universes composed of various
polyhedrons glued together in various ways.

In 1996 the French astronomer Dr. Jean-Pierre Luminet of the Paris
Observatory and his colleagues Dr. Roland Lehoucq and Dr. Marc
Lachieze-Rey, both of the Center for Astrophysical Studies in Saclay,
France, developed a method called "cosmic crystallography," using galaxy
statistics to detect and diagnose the repeating periodic patterns that
would be created in the sky by light going around and around in
differently shaped universe.


Finite or Infinite? Problems Are Posed For Favored Theory

Why would the universe want to do this to us? Partly to avoid the
difficulties of the infinite, said Dr. Glenn Starkman, an astronomer at
the Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland. Besides being
difficult to create, an infinite universe is philosophically
unattractive. In an infinite volume, he pointed out, anything that can
happen will happen.

"Somewhere there are two guys having this same conversation," Dr.
Starkman said in a telephone interview, "except that one of them has a
purple phone."

Moreover, the idea that dimensions could be curled in loops occurs
naturally in theories that try to unite gravity and particle physics,
several physicists pointed out. For example, according to string theory,
the leading candidate for a theory of everything, the universe actually
has 10 dimensions ? 9 of space and 1 of time ? rather than the 4 we are
familiar with. The extra dimensions are curled up into submicroscopic
loops, like the threads in an uncut carpet pile, so that we don't notice
them in ordinary life.

"This is the same idea on a very large scale," Dr. Smoot said.

Knowing that all nine of the spatial dimensions predicted by string
theory are finite and thus on the same footing could help string
theorists decide among the nearly endless possibilities allowed by the
theory, scientists say.

But a finite universe would create big problems for the reigning theory
of the Big Bang, inflation theory. It posits that the universe underwent
a burst of hyperexpansion in its earliest moments. Among other things,
it implies that the observable universe today, a bubble 28 billion
light-years in diameter, is only a speck on the surface of a vastly
greater realm trillions upon trillions of light-years across.

"There's no natural way yet proposed to get the inflation to stop and
give a space that's big enough to house all the galaxies but small
enough to see within the observable horizon," said Dr. Janna Levin, a
Cambridge University cosmologist who wrote about finite universes in her
1992 book, "How the Universe Got Its Spots, Diary of a Finite Time in a
Finite Space."

Dr. Spergel added, "If the universe were finite, then this would rule
out inflation and require something new."


The Search for Patterns One Convincing Sign Of the Doughnut

So far, sporadic searches for repeating patterns of quasars or distant
galaxy clusters that would occur in a hall of mirrors universe have been
unsuccessful.

For finite universe aficionados, the first encouragement of note was
COBE's discovery that the universe appeared to be deficient in
large-scale fluctuations. There were no structures extending more than
about 60 degrees across the sky. But the finding was subject to large
statistical uncertainties, astronomers said.

There are other possible explanations for the cutoff in fluctuation
size, Dr. Starkman explained. According to inflation the biggest longest
waves are created first, and thus the missing notes are the earliest
ones that would have been strummed by inflation's guitar. Perhaps, he
said, this is telling us something about the beginning of inflation.

Dr. George Efstathiou of Cambridge University has pointed out in a
recent paper submitted to the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical
Society that the Wilkinson satellite data are also marginally consistent
with yet another finite shape, namely a sphere. In that case,
fluctuations larger than the radius of the sphere might be dampened, he
said, producing the observed cutoff.

The most convincing sign of a doughnut universe, if it exists,
astronomers say, could come from a search of the satellite data now
being performed by Dr. Spergel, Dr. Starkman and Dr. Neil J. Cornish of
Montana State University. "We're looking for circles in the sky," Dr.
Starkman said.

In a 1998 paper they point out that if the universe is small enough,
part of the cosmic background radiation, which essentially fills the sky
surrounding us, will hit the sides of the "box" or the space war screen
we are in and appear on the other side. The result, in the simplest
case, would be identical circles on opposite sides of the sky with the
same patterns of hot and cold running around them.

In the simplest case, the size of the circles would depend on the
distance between the "walls" of the universe: the smaller the universe,
the bigger the circles.

Success or even a definitive failure is not guaranteed. "It would be
fantastic if something like that was found," Dr. Hinshaw said of the
circles.

But success or even a definitive failure is not guaranteed. If the
universe is finite but still much larger than today's observable
universe ? 28 billion light-years in diameter ? the circles will not
show. "Usually in science when we see an intriguing pattern that appears
to contradict existing theory we do a better experiment," Dr. Spergel
wrote in an e-mail message, but in this case, "Ultimately we will be
limited by the fact that we can only observe the `visible' universe."

Dr. Levin was doubtful, "I suspect every last one of us would be
flabbergasted if the universe was so small," she said in an e-mail
message. When she first heard about the new satellite data, she
reported, "I tried on the idea that we were really and truly seeing the
finite extent of space and I was filled with dread.

"But I'm enjoying it too."

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  39. 2003-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Spam Con of the month
  40. 2003-03-04 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: NY Fair Use/NYLXS Meeting
  41. 2003-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Web Site Activity
  42. 2003-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Web Site Activity
  43. 2003-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Next Free Software Business Expo
  44. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] KEVON MILANI Pagoing
  45. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Statement about the NYLXS & New Yorkers For Fai r Use situation
  46. 2003-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce Network Meeting at Noon
  47. 2003-03-03 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) SANS Alert - Critical Vulnerability in Sendmail and a Snort Vulnerability
  48. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  49. 2003-03-23 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  50. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More egov-os stupidity
  51. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU-Darwin (IE MAC) clueless about more than one thing
  52. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journals - Where are they?
  53. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] WWWACS Event
  54. 2003-03-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Job Possibility
  55. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  56. 2003-03-22 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations
  57. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  58. 2003-03-22 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  59. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations
  60. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  61. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article in text
  62. 2003-03-22 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  63. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Preliminary draft of article for NY Fair Use - egovos - POSTSCRIPT
  64. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Preliminary draft of article for NY Fair Use - egovos
  65. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MS EULA VRS GPL
  66. 2003-03-21 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] DMCA Comments
  67. 2003-03-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA Comments
  68. 2003-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  69. 2003-03-21 jonathan jacobs <gnunewyork-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] lock 'em up
  70. 2003-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  71. 2003-03-21 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  72. 2003-03-21 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  73. 2003-03-21 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA goes under public scrutiny again
  74. 2003-03-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Evolution Vurnabilites - Can't be Windows like enoug :-|
  75. 2003-03-21 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Evolution Vurnabilites - Can't be Windows like enoug
  76. 2003-03-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Evolution Vurnabilites - Can't be Windows like enoug :-|
  77. 2003-03-20 Jennifer Dozar <jennifer-at-orange.zorcat.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  78. 2003-03-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  79. 2003-03-20 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Membership List for election.
  80. 2003-03-20 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Time to Chime
  81. 2003-03-20 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) Hearing scheduled for HB 2892 (Oregon)
  82. 2003-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lock 'em Up
  83. 2003-03-20 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Lock 'em Up
  84. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Elections
  85. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] "ASP license", egovos fiasco
  86. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NY fair Use Pics
  87. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NY fair Use Pics
  88. 2003-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] "ASP license", egovos fiasco
  89. 2003-03-19 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) WindowsRefund.net: Petition targets Toshiba
  90. 2003-03-19 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] donations of corporate intellectual property to nonprofit organizations
  91. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  92. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] "ASP license", egovos fiasco
  93. 2003-03-19 From: "Richard M. Stallman - Autoreply Message" <rms-autoreply-control-at-gnu.org> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  94. 2003-03-19 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  95. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] "ASP license"
  96. 2003-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  97. 2003-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  98. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Embrace and...
  99. 2003-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CLASS CANCELLED TONITE - NO PERL CLASS
  100. 2003-03-18 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] PCWorld
  101. 2003-03-18 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Infomation on the NY Fair use action
  102. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Infomation on the NY Fair use action
  103. 2003-03-18 From: "Derrick Lewis" <lewisdj-at-bc.edu> Subject: [hangout] Static IP Internet Service (DSL/Cable)
  104. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Static IP Internet Service (DSL/Cable)
  105. 2003-03-18 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Installfeast and Distro CD
  106. 2003-03-18 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Press
  107. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] eGovOS protest
  108. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Classes this week
  109. 2003-03-18 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] eGovOS protest
  110. 2003-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press
  111. 2003-03-17 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast and Distro CD
  112. 2003-03-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Shaed Source Egovos
  113. 2003-03-17 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] Need a local source for Cat 5 wire and wall jacks
  114. 2003-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show On The Air Now http://www.nylxs.com/radio/
  115. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  116. 2003-03-16 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  117. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  118. 2003-03-16 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  119. 2003-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  120. 2003-03-16 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] What distros will be available at installfest?
  121. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show - Tomorrow at 8PM
  122. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Election General Membership Meeting
  123. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] TCP/IP Study Group starting Next Sunday
  124. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Planning meeting Tomorrow
  125. 2003-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Classes Beginning this week from the FSI
  126. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Macro - call me please
  127. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Can anyone assist/installfest/dual booting linux ipaq3670 on IBM micro-drive?
  128. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What's the procedure for mail forwarding from nylxs?
  129. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Who's in charge of the next business demo? Please contact me.
  130. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Who's in charge of the business improvement thing? Please contact me.
  131. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New collage on the front page
  132. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  133. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  134. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  135. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  136. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] Who's in charge of the business improvement thing? Please contact me.
  137. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] Who's in charge of the next business demo? Please contact me.
  138. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] What's the procedure for mail forwarding from nylxs?
  139. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] Can anyone assist/installfest/dual booting linux ipaq3670 on IBM micro-drive?
  140. 2003-03-14 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Washington Status
  141. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  142. 2003-03-14 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  143. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  144. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington Status
  145. 2003-03-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  146. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  147. 2003-03-14 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  148. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] We need someone with a Credit Card and a License
  149. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  150. 2003-03-14 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  151. 2003-03-14 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  152. 2003-03-14 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  153. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lawsuit from Jay
  154. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] blog software?
  155. 2003-03-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] blog software?
  156. 2003-03-13 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] blog software?
  157. 2003-03-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Program reminder
  158. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brett Wynkoop threatens to sue NYLXS for use of our own organizations
  159. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brett Wynkoop threatens to sue NYLXS for use of our own organizations
  160. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS/NY Fair Use Defense Fund
  161. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: plot thickens
  162. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Customes
  163. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Mission
  164. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: I want peace because...
  165. 2003-03-13 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] we need to start this now!
  166. 2003-03-13 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] I believe in the power of noise
  167. 2003-03-13 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] we need to start this now!
  168. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington DC
  169. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Headline - Microsoft 2.0: Meet the gentler software giant
  170. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
  171. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum; Response to Dave Williams
  172. 2003-03-12 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] freedom to tinker
  173. 2003-03-12 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum; Response to Dave Williams
  174. 2003-03-12 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  175. 2003-03-12 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  176. 2003-03-12 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] OSS and Inovation
  177. 2003-03-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS Meeting
  178. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
  179. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  180. 2003-03-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brett and Jay - Settlement Tomorrow
  181. 2003-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  182. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  183. 2003-03-11 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  184. 2003-03-11 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  185. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  186. 2003-03-11 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  187. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  188. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  189. 2003-03-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  190. 2003-03-11 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  191. 2003-03-11 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  192. 2003-03-11 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  193. 2003-03-11 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYSDL Training Disapproval
  194. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYSDL Training Disapproval
  195. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I'm heading out to the Killarny Rose - See you later
  196. 2003-03-11 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] NYSDL Training Disapproval
  197. 2003-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The new TIVO from AOL/Time-Warner (sniff can you smell DRM)
  198. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Everything in the Universe might not be what it seems
  199. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix 2 Start rescheduled for NEXT Week
  200. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washignton DC trip - Egov-OS
  201. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washignton DC trip - Egov-OS
  202. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washignton DC trip - Egov-OS
  203. 2003-03-10 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] NYLXS.com Registration
  204. 2003-03-10 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Grant Tutorials
  205. 2003-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: we need to start this now!
  206. 2003-03-10 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] we need to start this now!
  207. 2003-03-10 From: "William Brent" <wbrent-at-finepoint.com> RE: [hangout] The Mayor
  208. 2003-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show - Now archived
  209. 2003-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show - Now archived
  210. 2003-03-09 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] The Mayor
  211. 2003-03-09 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Fishing
  212. 2003-03-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Mayor
  213. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fishing
  214. 2003-03-09 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] Fishing
  215. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Balance Act
  216. 2003-03-09 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] The Balance Act
  217. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Tonight
  218. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS.com Registration
  219. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] While you were asleep, the internet was outlawed by the FCC
  220. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] While you were asleep, the internet was outlawed by the FCC
  221. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations
  222. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Roots - Collaberation
  223. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fishing
  224. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RIAA Website
  225. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flash Media Player Security Warning
  226. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  227. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  228. 2003-03-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  229. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  230. 2003-03-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  231. 2003-03-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  232. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [info-at-j2jnetwork.com: Invitation to attend a J2J Network Focus Group on the establishment of a Career Center]
  233. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] NYLXS Brooklyn Installfest/Radio Show
  234. 2003-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: NYSIA HotWire, Week of March 10, 2003]
  235. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYU Event - "Wireless Communications and the Future of Cities"
  236. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  237. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  238. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Brooklyn Installfest/Radio Show
  239. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Brooklyn Installfest/Radio Show
  240. 2003-03-07 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Journal
  241. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Journal
  242. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  243. 2003-03-07 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Subject: [hangout] NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  244. 2003-03-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  245. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] rhn-admin-at-rhn.redhat.com: RHN Errata Alert: Updated OpenSSL packages fix timing attack
  246. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  247. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  248. 2003-03-06 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  249. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Egov - Oppurtunity
  250. 2003-03-06 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] thing are starting to move get on the train
  251. 2003-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  252. 2003-03-06 Bill Putney <bputney-at-effective-tech.com> Re: [hangout] Bin laden
  253. 2003-03-06 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Bin laden
  254. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  255. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bin laden
  256. 2003-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  257. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  258. 2003-03-06 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  259. 2003-03-06 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] OS in Government article
  260. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Anti-competitive Practices: Egov-OS
  261. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop Linux
  262. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looks like an NYLXS Social Event
  263. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Mark_Andrews-at-isc.org: Internet Software Consortium Security Advisory: 5 March 2003]
  264. 2003-03-05 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] grant info
  265. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast
  266. 2003-03-05 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] FSCC Evening Meeting
  267. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Evening Meeting
  268. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS-NY Fair Use - Trip to Washington
  269. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS-NY Fair Use - Trip to Washington
  270. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jessica needs papers
  271. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS
  272. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  273. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Identity Management architect/engineer, United States, NJ, Bedminster]
  274. 2003-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  275. 2003-03-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  276. 2003-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  277. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  278. 2003-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  279. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  280. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  281. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Board Meeting?
  282. 2003-03-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] School Board Meeting?
  283. 2003-03-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  284. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] School Board Meeting?
  285. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linuxonwallstreet
  286. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  287. 2003-03-05 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  288. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] bash history
  289. 2003-03-04 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] partition tools
  290. 2003-03-04 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Accounting Technology
  291. 2003-03-04 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Accounting Technology Article
  292. 2003-03-29 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  293. 2003-03-28 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  294. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Slackware 9.0 is out!
  295. 2003-03-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  296. 2003-03-28 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  297. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Philip Bond Followup
  298. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Philip Bond Followup
  299. 2003-03-28 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Philip Bond Followup
  300. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Philip Bond Followup
  301. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Carteblancher-at-aol.com: [fairuse] Happy Birthday NY Fair Use]
  302. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: Department of Commerce meeting on Fair Use and Consumer Rights]
  303. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] jays sectet letter (with the rest of the conversation)
  304. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jays pushing me out of my own organization - because they THINK they can
  305. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [fairuse] Re: [nylug-talk] Fwd: [hangout] We are the stakholders in TEXT[ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]]
  306. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow]
  307. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Disagree with Jay, and he tries to steal your organization
  308. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Who was paying of NY Fair Use? What? Not NYLXS?
  309. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: Next Steps?]
  310. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org: Re: Next Steps?]
  311. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The beginning of the Jay attempt to steal NY Fair Use
  312. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org: Re: Department of Commerce Report]
  313. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: conference in northern france [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  314. 2003-03-27 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show this Sunday, request for topics/co-host
  315. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bordeux France
  316. 2003-03-27 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  317. 2003-03-27 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  318. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  319. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Earliest memntion of NY Fair Use
  320. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  321. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show: Looking for a Guest Host
  322. 2003-03-27 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] for grant writers
  323. 2003-03-27 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] for the grant writers
  324. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh No - the kiss of death ...
  325. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Meeting
  326. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Meeting
  327. 2003-03-26 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] California Energy Market Scandel
  328. 2003-03-26 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] California Energy Market Scandel
  329. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] California Energy Market Scandel
  330. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use Beginning Date
  331. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Beginning Date
  332. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] For the education committie
  333. 2003-03-26 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] For the education committie
  334. 2003-03-26 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] change in policy
  335. 2003-03-26 bluecitabria <bluecitabria-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  336. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  337. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RMS's comments on our article :):wq
  338. 2003-03-25 Kevin Milani <kevin-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  339. 2003-03-25 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  340. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Re: Monday 18:52 24 March 2003 settlement
  341. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [bingalls-at-fit-zones.com: Schools Project]
  342. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Today
  343. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Today
  344. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  345. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-at-ezrecruit.net: {1407}Training Systems Support Engineer opening in USA-New Jersey-Paramus]
  346. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: fscc
  347. 2003-03-24 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Re: fscc
  348. 2003-03-24 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] fscc
  349. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: fscc
  350. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-a46-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux Today Security Letter for March 24, 2003]
  351. 2003-03-24 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: 48 hours of efforts plus a response to Mr Wynkoop]
  352. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Voting Tonight!
  353. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MS Teaches how to right secure code
  354. 2003-03-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Newsforge article
  355. 2003-03-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Newsforge article
  356. 2003-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  357. 2003-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware 9.0 is out!
  358. 2003-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  359. 2003-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press
  360. 2003-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  361. 2003-03-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article Comments
  362. 2003-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] TCP/IP Study Group
  363. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Urgent Help needed to fend off Cybersquaters
  364. 2003-03-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us: NYLXS in LinuxFormat MAG]
  365. 2003-03-31 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] [MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us: NYLXS in LinuxFormat MAG]
  366. 2003-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS Election Results
  367. 2003-03-31 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Election Results
  368. 2003-03-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Grants
  369. 2003-03-31 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Tonight??
  370. 2003-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Tonight??
  371. 2003-03-31 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Tonight??
  372. 2003-03-31 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  373. 2003-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  374. 2003-03-30 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Slashdot | Microsoft Refuses To Fix NT 4.0 Exploit
  375. 2003-03-30 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft RPC hole could lead to DoS attacks Can we fix this with shared source?
  376. 2003-03-30 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Firewalls set to become illegal in many American states DMCA

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