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DATE 2003-03-12
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Blocked again! It seems someone using my ISP has been a bad person. If
anyone can forward the original to Bruce, I would be grateful. I don't
imagine it will be necessary again.

- Dave

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From: Dave Williams
To: Bruce Perens
Cc: Jay Sulzberger , ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com, hangout-at-nylxs.com, rms-at-gnu.org
Subject: Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum; Response to Dave Williams
Date: 12 Mar 2003 22:41:32 -0500

Bruce -

Although I'm not certain this message will reach you due to spam
filters, I thought I would address some of your points. Obviously it
wasn't my intention to describe you as wealthy, or your contributions as
strictly in the past, so I'll skip over those remarks.

I believe it can all be reduced to simple reciprocity, or fairness. In
the interest of better public relations you agree that a small gesture
in the direction of a Microsoft representative and an affiliated
organization will appear enlightened and magnanimous. And maybe it
will. But the reverse is not the case: You are not invited to discuss
the merits of your development philosophy in Microsoft sponsored
events. In fact they host a "government leaders" conference which has
included anti-OSS rhetoric on occasion.

The reactions of a large number of OS developers and supporters to the
conference was enthusiasm. They viewed this as a chance to address Mr.
Matusow and the ISC people. When faced with complaints about these
appearances, you mentioned that it might be possible to have a brief Q&A
session -- apparently there wasn't supposed to be anything of the sort
originally, so the vocal supporters were operating under a delusion.

Yes, it is acceptable to pick apart the descriptions of the event and
label it "none of the above", but the use of Open Source in the title
and the tone created by the Request For Presentations/Papers suggested
that at the very least the subject centered around Open Source
Software. The loose interpretation of these details is characteristic
of the legal profession. Lack of clarity seems to have confused
supporters and opponents alike.

When someone like Ruben Safir becomes upset about the loss of
opportunity, it isn't necessarily central to the purpose of the
conference but it is a valid concern. Sure, some people will discuss
failures of Open Source and its shortcomings, but others can draw
attention to the projects they are committed to, which just might
address those failures. They may also document the ability to succeed
professionally in the Free/Open Source world. The political maneuvering
around expositions and conferences may just be hurting the "little guy",
and even if two people are excluded that's two too many.

Back to the public relations issue: Does this appearance of fairness
reflect well on Open Source specifically, or does it also paint a nice
picture of the people involved in the conference? If someone suspects
that Mr. Stanco is positioning himself politically in the DC Beltway by
bending the rules while affiliating himself with a popular movement, are
they just being paranoid? And if there is any possibility that the
rumors of registered guests being excluded are true, Mr. Stanco will be
guilty of exactly the kind of hypocrisy he publicly charged the "free
software loons and wackos" with.

The issue of accountability is a valid one. You describe yourself as a
leader in the free software movement, and that is fair enough. But who
watches the watchmen? You say that you haven't avoided this issue, but
after an extended lapse you have only now explained how you define this
event. That would have gone a long way toward clarifying things several
weeks ago.

In the end I hear something along the lines of, "This is what we're
going to do, because we can and because we like it. You're welcome to
disagree (at least *I* think so, if not Tony), but we do know best. If
you push me on the subject I'll split some hairs."

Truthfully, I don't expect to convince anyone of anything. This subject
made me realize that some people refused to give up their lust for
engaging in verbal combat against Microsoft long enough to think about
the larger issues. You may think it harmful for MS to draw attention to
their participation, but they may not agree. Someone in the crowd may
"get it", but someone else might not. People are asking for
accountability, and if it appears to be missing someone may attempt to
fill that vacuum. At the very least, someone will draw attention to
it's lack, and hopefully they won't be barred from attending a
conference that wishes to demonstrate, among other things, a lack of
hypocrisy.

- Dave

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 16:53, Bruce Perens wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Rather than just in the past, I am still creating benefit for the
> community on a daily basis. Hopefully, that's what you mean to
> acknowledge.
>
> > Likewise, no one doubts that you have gained personally from your
> > participation, as demonstrated by your public profile.
>
> I have done well by doing good. And doing well is making a reasonable
> income, not getting rich in any way. I paid for my home with proceeds
> from Pixar, not anything to do with free software. I don't have any
> significant wealth other than that.
>
> > But you still haven't answered the question of why there will be
> > Microsoft and Software Choice Initiative presentations at the eGovOS
> > conference.
>
> Because I, as a leader of the free software community, think this is the
> right tactic to get the maximum benefit from the conference. I want to
> show that we aren't afraid of what MS has to say, and that our arguments
> stand on their own with Microsoft in the room.
>
> > As a member of the Cyber Policy Institute creating the event (as well as
> > the OSI), you are accountable for these choices.
>
> Just FYI: Neither CSPRI nor OSI pay me. If we are talking _legal_
> accountability, there is some regarding funds and disposition of
> assets of OSI. There is not any legal accountability in connection
> with CSPRI as far as I can tell. But I think you are really speaking
> of ethical accountability.
>
> As far as ethical accountability is concerned, I am willing to stand up
> before the scrutiny of the community and defend this decision. Not all of
> them agree with you.
>
> > Based on the conference's definitions and requirements there
> > is no substantial justification for these presentations, and the
> > possibility of harm is arguable enough to be considered.
>
> OK. So I still don't believe there's any ethical fault in inviting MS
> and CompTIA to make two out of 100+ speeches.
>
> I believe the general message in favor of the free software community is
> improved by the perception that we aren't afraid to let those folks speak.
>
> These seem to be the points upon which we differ.
>
> > An OS advocacy and demonstration event is about Open Source Software,
> > something you yourself defined.
>
> I agree that those two particular talks won't be advocacy of free
> software or open source.
>
> In addition, I think a lot of the other talks are not advocacy.
> A lot of the folks will be talking about how they use OS and what
> their experiences are - both in using it and in dealing with their
> particular political climate in getting it deployed. I would expect
> that many of them will be coming from a "pragmatic" or analytical
> stance and will report rather than advocate.
>
> In addition, I expect some talk about failures of free software to do a
> particular job for a particular user, and warnings to others that some
> field isn't a good application for us yet. These may end up being the
> opposite of advocacy.
>
> So, I don't think we can classify this as an advocacy event. Is it a
> debate? No. Is it a scientific conference? In a way, but we haven't
> been really careful about peer review, etc. Is it a bunch of people
> getting together and sharing their experiences and thinking about the
> topic? Yes. Are there formal rules about the structure of such a thing?
> No.
>
> Next, you'd go on to whether the organizers are in general credible
> on the topic. Much as you may disagree with Tony about a few tactics,
> he is still generally credible about the use of free software in
> government. On the other hand, I don't see that Microsoft has any
> credibility in putting on its Shiftpoint forum.
>
> > If this isn't an OS Advocacy event please rename it.
>
> I don't see that it's being promoted as an advocacy event.
>
> > clarify that fact in the conference literature.
>
> What part of the conference literature do you object to?
>
> > The other day you wrote that the ability to admit one's mistakes is a
> > good quality (regarding the tuxedo website). If you don't believe you
> > have made an error in judgment, at least accept the possibility of
> > dissent.
>
> Well, I've been discussing this with you folks for quite a long time, so
> wouldn't you think that I've admitted the possibility of dissent? When I
> see that there's a mistake, I'll admit one. You still haven't convinced me.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce


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  61. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article in text
  62. 2003-03-22 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  63. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Preliminary draft of article for NY Fair Use - egovos - POSTSCRIPT
  64. 2003-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Preliminary draft of article for NY Fair Use - egovos
  65. 2003-03-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MS EULA VRS GPL
  66. 2003-03-21 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] DMCA Comments
  67. 2003-03-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA Comments
  68. 2003-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  69. 2003-03-21 jonathan jacobs <gnunewyork-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] lock 'em up
  70. 2003-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  71. 2003-03-21 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  72. 2003-03-21 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  73. 2003-03-21 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA goes under public scrutiny again
  74. 2003-03-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Evolution Vurnabilites - Can't be Windows like enoug :-|
  75. 2003-03-21 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Evolution Vurnabilites - Can't be Windows like enoug
  76. 2003-03-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Evolution Vurnabilites - Can't be Windows like enoug :-|
  77. 2003-03-20 Jennifer Dozar <jennifer-at-orange.zorcat.com> Re: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  78. 2003-03-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  79. 2003-03-20 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Membership List for election.
  80. 2003-03-20 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Time to Chime
  81. 2003-03-20 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) Hearing scheduled for HB 2892 (Oregon)
  82. 2003-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lock 'em Up
  83. 2003-03-20 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Lock 'em Up
  84. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Elections
  85. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Re: [hangout] "ASP license", egovos fiasco
  86. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NY fair Use Pics
  87. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NY fair Use Pics
  88. 2003-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] "ASP license", egovos fiasco
  89. 2003-03-19 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Subject: [hangout] (fwd) WindowsRefund.net: Petition targets Toshiba
  90. 2003-03-19 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] donations of corporate intellectual property to nonprofit organizations
  91. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  92. 2003-03-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] "ASP license", egovos fiasco
  93. 2003-03-19 From: "Richard M. Stallman - Autoreply Message" <rms-autoreply-control-at-gnu.org> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  94. 2003-03-19 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  95. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] "ASP license"
  96. 2003-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  97. 2003-03-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Embrace and...
  98. 2003-03-19 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Embrace and...
  99. 2003-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CLASS CANCELLED TONITE - NO PERL CLASS
  100. 2003-03-18 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] PCWorld
  101. 2003-03-18 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Infomation on the NY Fair use action
  102. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Infomation on the NY Fair use action
  103. 2003-03-18 From: "Derrick Lewis" <lewisdj-at-bc.edu> Subject: [hangout] Static IP Internet Service (DSL/Cable)
  104. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Static IP Internet Service (DSL/Cable)
  105. 2003-03-18 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Installfeast and Distro CD
  106. 2003-03-18 From: "Adam Kosmin" <adk9001-at-nyp.org> Re: [hangout] Press
  107. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] eGovOS protest
  108. 2003-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Classes this week
  109. 2003-03-18 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] eGovOS protest
  110. 2003-03-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press
  111. 2003-03-17 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast and Distro CD
  112. 2003-03-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Shaed Source Egovos
  113. 2003-03-17 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] Need a local source for Cat 5 wire and wall jacks
  114. 2003-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show On The Air Now http://www.nylxs.com/radio/
  115. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  116. 2003-03-16 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  117. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  118. 2003-03-16 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Re: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  119. 2003-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: What distros will be available at installfest?
  120. 2003-03-16 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] What distros will be available at installfest?
  121. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show - Tomorrow at 8PM
  122. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Election General Membership Meeting
  123. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] TCP/IP Study Group starting Next Sunday
  124. 2003-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Planning meeting Tomorrow
  125. 2003-03-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Classes Beginning this week from the FSI
  126. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Macro - call me please
  127. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Can anyone assist/installfest/dual booting linux ipaq3670 on IBM micro-drive?
  128. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What's the procedure for mail forwarding from nylxs?
  129. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Who's in charge of the next business demo? Please contact me.
  130. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Who's in charge of the business improvement thing? Please contact me.
  131. 2003-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New collage on the front page
  132. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  133. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  134. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  135. 2003-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  136. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] Who's in charge of the business improvement thing? Please contact me.
  137. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] Who's in charge of the next business demo? Please contact me.
  138. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] What's the procedure for mail forwarding from nylxs?
  139. 2003-03-15 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Subject: [hangout] Can anyone assist/installfest/dual booting linux ipaq3670 on IBM micro-drive?
  140. 2003-03-14 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Washington Status
  141. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  142. 2003-03-14 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  143. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  144. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington Status
  145. 2003-03-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  146. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  147. 2003-03-14 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  148. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] We need someone with a Credit Card and a License
  149. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  150. 2003-03-14 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  151. 2003-03-14 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  152. 2003-03-14 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  153. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lawsuit from Jay
  154. 2003-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] blog software?
  155. 2003-03-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] blog software?
  156. 2003-03-13 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] blog software?
  157. 2003-03-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Program reminder
  158. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brett Wynkoop threatens to sue NYLXS for use of our own organizations
  159. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brett Wynkoop threatens to sue NYLXS for use of our own organizations
  160. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS/NY Fair Use Defense Fund
  161. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: plot thickens
  162. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Customes
  163. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Mission
  164. 2003-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: I want peace because...
  165. 2003-03-13 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] we need to start this now!
  166. 2003-03-13 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] I believe in the power of noise
  167. 2003-03-13 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] we need to start this now!
  168. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington DC
  169. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Headline - Microsoft 2.0: Meet the gentler software giant
  170. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
  171. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum; Response to Dave Williams
  172. 2003-03-12 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Subject: [hangout] freedom to tinker
  173. 2003-03-12 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum; Response to Dave Williams
  174. 2003-03-12 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  175. 2003-03-12 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  176. 2003-03-12 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] OSS and Inovation
  177. 2003-03-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS Meeting
  178. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
  179. 2003-03-12 Dave Williams <djw23-at-drexel.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  180. 2003-03-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brett and Jay - Settlement Tomorrow
  181. 2003-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  182. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  183. 2003-03-11 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  184. 2003-03-11 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  185. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  186. 2003-03-11 bruce-at-perens.com (Bruce Perens) Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  187. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  188. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  189. 2003-03-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  190. 2003-03-11 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  191. 2003-03-11 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  192. 2003-03-11 Bruce Perens <bruce-at-perens.com> Subject: [hangout] MS cancels "Shiftpoint" forum
  193. 2003-03-11 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYSDL Training Disapproval
  194. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYSDL Training Disapproval
  195. 2003-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I'm heading out to the Killarny Rose - See you later
  196. 2003-03-11 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] NYSDL Training Disapproval
  197. 2003-03-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The new TIVO from AOL/Time-Warner (sniff can you smell DRM)
  198. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Everything in the Universe might not be what it seems
  199. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix 2 Start rescheduled for NEXT Week
  200. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washignton DC trip - Egov-OS
  201. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washignton DC trip - Egov-OS
  202. 2003-03-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washignton DC trip - Egov-OS
  203. 2003-03-10 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] NYLXS.com Registration
  204. 2003-03-10 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Grant Tutorials
  205. 2003-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: we need to start this now!
  206. 2003-03-10 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] we need to start this now!
  207. 2003-03-10 From: "William Brent" <wbrent-at-finepoint.com> RE: [hangout] The Mayor
  208. 2003-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show - Now archived
  209. 2003-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show - Now archived
  210. 2003-03-09 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] The Mayor
  211. 2003-03-09 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Fishing
  212. 2003-03-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Mayor
  213. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fishing
  214. 2003-03-09 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Re: [hangout] Fishing
  215. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Balance Act
  216. 2003-03-09 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] The Balance Act
  217. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Tonight
  218. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS.com Registration
  219. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] While you were asleep, the internet was outlawed by the FCC
  220. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] While you were asleep, the internet was outlawed by the FCC
  221. 2003-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Nominations
  222. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Roots - Collaberation
  223. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fishing
  224. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RIAA Website
  225. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flash Media Player Security Warning
  226. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  227. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  228. 2003-03-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  229. 2003-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  230. 2003-03-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> one more thing Re: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  231. 2003-03-08 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  232. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [info-at-j2jnetwork.com: Invitation to attend a J2J Network Focus Group on the establishment of a Career Center]
  233. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] NYLXS Brooklyn Installfest/Radio Show
  234. 2003-03-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: NYSIA HotWire, Week of March 10, 2003]
  235. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYU Event - "Wireless Communications and the Future of Cities"
  236. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  237. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  238. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Brooklyn Installfest/Radio Show
  239. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Brooklyn Installfest/Radio Show
  240. 2003-03-07 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Journal
  241. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Journal
  242. 2003-03-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  243. 2003-03-07 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Subject: [hangout] NYLXS -Rules Commitee
  244. 2003-03-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  245. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] rhn-admin-at-rhn.redhat.com: RHN Errata Alert: Updated OpenSSL packages fix timing attack
  246. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  247. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  248. 2003-03-06 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Rules Commitee Status
  249. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Egov - Oppurtunity
  250. 2003-03-06 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] thing are starting to move get on the train
  251. 2003-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  252. 2003-03-06 Bill Putney <bputney-at-effective-tech.com> Re: [hangout] Bin laden
  253. 2003-03-06 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Bin laden
  254. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  255. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bin laden
  256. 2003-03-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  257. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  258. 2003-03-06 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Radio Show
  259. 2003-03-06 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] OS in Government article
  260. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Anti-competitive Practices: Egov-OS
  261. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop Linux
  262. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looks like an NYLXS Social Event
  263. 2003-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Mark_Andrews-at-isc.org: Internet Software Consortium Security Advisory: 5 March 2003]
  264. 2003-03-05 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] grant info
  265. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast
  266. 2003-03-05 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] FSCC Evening Meeting
  267. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Evening Meeting
  268. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS-NY Fair Use - Trip to Washington
  269. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS-NY Fair Use - Trip to Washington
  270. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jessica needs papers
  271. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use/NYLXS
  272. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show
  273. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Identity Management architect/engineer, United States, NJ, Bedminster]
  274. 2003-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  275. 2003-03-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  276. 2003-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  277. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  278. 2003-03-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  279. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  280. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  281. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] School Board Meeting?
  282. 2003-03-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] School Board Meeting?
  283. 2003-03-05 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] bash history
  284. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] School Board Meeting?
  285. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linuxonwallstreet
  286. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  287. 2003-03-05 vin <enviro-at-pilosoft.com> Re: [hangout] bash history
  288. 2003-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] bash history
  289. 2003-03-04 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] partition tools
  290. 2003-03-04 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Accounting Technology
  291. 2003-03-04 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Accounting Technology Article
  292. 2003-03-29 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  293. 2003-03-28 akbar <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  294. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Slackware 9.0 is out!
  295. 2003-03-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  296. 2003-03-28 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  297. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Philip Bond Followup
  298. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Philip Bond Followup
  299. 2003-03-28 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Re: [hangout] Philip Bond Followup
  300. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Philip Bond Followup
  301. 2003-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Carteblancher-at-aol.com: [fairuse] Happy Birthday NY Fair Use]
  302. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: Department of Commerce meeting on Fair Use and Consumer Rights]
  303. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] jays sectet letter (with the rest of the conversation)
  304. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jays pushing me out of my own organization - because they THINK they can
  305. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [fairuse] Re: [nylug-talk] Fwd: [hangout] We are the stakholders in TEXT[ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]]
  306. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Re: FCC Broadcast Flag Meeting Tomorrow]
  307. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Disagree with Jay, and he tries to steal your organization
  308. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Who was paying of NY Fair Use? What? Not NYLXS?
  309. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: Next Steps?]
  310. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org: Re: Next Steps?]
  311. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The beginning of the Jay attempt to steal NY Fair Use
  312. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org: Re: Department of Commerce Report]
  313. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: conference in northern france [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  314. 2003-03-27 vin-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show this Sunday, request for topics/co-host
  315. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bordeux France
  316. 2003-03-27 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  317. 2003-03-27 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  318. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  319. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Earliest memntion of NY Fair Use
  320. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] THE JOURNALS
  321. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show: Looking for a Guest Host
  322. 2003-03-27 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] for grant writers
  323. 2003-03-27 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] for the grant writers
  324. 2003-03-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh No - the kiss of death ...
  325. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Meeting
  326. 2003-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Meeting
  327. 2003-03-26 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] California Energy Market Scandel
  328. 2003-03-26 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] California Energy Market Scandel
  329. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] California Energy Market Scandel
  330. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY Fair Use Beginning Date
  331. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Fair Use Beginning Date
  332. 2003-03-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] For the education committie
  333. 2003-03-26 Selso DaSilva <selsok-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] For the education committie
  334. 2003-03-26 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] change in policy
  335. 2003-03-26 bluecitabria <bluecitabria-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  336. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  337. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RMS's comments on our article :):wq
  338. 2003-03-25 Kevin Milani <kevin-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  339. 2003-03-25 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Red Hat Linux 9 and your certification
  340. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Re: Monday 18:52 24 March 2003 settlement
  341. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [bingalls-at-fit-zones.com: Schools Project]
  342. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Today
  343. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC Meeting Today
  344. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  345. 2003-03-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-at-ezrecruit.net: {1407}Training Systems Support Engineer opening in USA-New Jersey-Paramus]
  346. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: fscc
  347. 2003-03-24 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Re: fscc
  348. 2003-03-24 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] fscc
  349. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: fscc
  350. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [reply-a46-1808-2f6b114cd7-at-nl.internet.com: Your Linux Today Security Letter for March 24, 2003]
  351. 2003-03-24 NYLUG NYLUG <nylug-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: 48 hours of efforts plus a response to Mr Wynkoop]
  352. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Voting Tonight!
  353. 2003-03-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MS Teaches how to right secure code
  354. 2003-03-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Newsforge article
  355. 2003-03-24 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-informationwave.net> Subject: [hangout] Newsforge article
  356. 2003-03-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Lindows CEO attacks Intel's Centrino Linux lockout
  357. 2003-03-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Slackware 9.0 is out!
  358. 2003-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION
  359. 2003-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Press
  360. 2003-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  361. 2003-03-30 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Article Comments
  362. 2003-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] TCP/IP Study Group
  363. 2003-03-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Urgent Help needed to fend off Cybersquaters
  364. 2003-03-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us: NYLXS in LinuxFormat MAG]
  365. 2003-03-31 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] [MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us: NYLXS in LinuxFormat MAG]
  366. 2003-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYLXS Election Results
  367. 2003-03-31 Dave Williams <jdave23-at-express56.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Election Results
  368. 2003-03-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Grants
  369. 2003-03-31 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Tonight??
  370. 2003-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Tonight??
  371. 2003-03-31 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Tonight??
  372. 2003-03-31 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] THE JOURNALS (fwd)
  373. 2003-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  374. 2003-03-30 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Slashdot | Microsoft Refuses To Fix NT 4.0 Exploit
  375. 2003-03-30 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft RPC hole could lead to DoS attacks Can we fix this with shared source?
  376. 2003-03-30 vin <vin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Firewalls set to become illegal in many American states DMCA

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