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From: Ruben Safir
Subject: Re: [hangout] Lock 'em Up
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If they started rounding people up as felons, people would finally understand how fucken stupid the law is
Lockem all up, and their parents
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:47:03AM -0500, rc wrote:
> Marking File Traders as Felons
> By Katie Dean
> Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,58081,00.html
> 02:00 AM Mar. 19, 2003 PT
> College students, listen up: Don't mess with Texas.
> Texas Rep. John Carter, that is.
> During a recent hearing of the Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet and
> Intellectual Property, the Republican congressman said jailing college
> students who download copyrighted music would help stop piracy.
> "What these kids don't realize is that every time they pull up music and
> movies and make a copy, they are committing a felony under the United
> States code," Carter said in an interview. "If you were to prosecute
> someone and give them three years, I think this would act as a
> But some university officials say they have stepped up efforts to stop
> piracy on their networks, and packing kids off to prison won't solve
> the problem.
> "I can't see turning millions of college students into criminals," said
> Graham Spanier, president of Pennsylvania State University. "We'd have
> to build a lot of new prisons to hold the lawbreakers engaged in piracy
> of copyrighted materials."
> Carter said making an example of a few college students could go a long
> way toward bringing home the message that sharing and duplicating
> copyrighted materials is wrong.
> "Sometimes it takes the shock value of someone actually being punished,"
> Carter said. "In this particular instance it might also send a message
> to these kids that are operating on these networks that, 'Hey, I better
> Students would learn quickly that copying even one album is not worth
> the potential punishment, he said.
> "That information sent out to kids would be a real eye opener," he said.
> "I think you would have a 50 percent falloff, at least, of these people
> (who are pirating files).
> "I'm not out to get the kids, I'm out to get their attention."
> Carter, now in his first term in the House, served as a state district
> judge for 20 years in Williamson County, known as the Lone Star State's
> toughest county for criminals. If rampant file sharing was going on
> back home, he said, people would likely be prosecuted.
> "A felony conviction is a terrible thing to have on your record," Carter
> said. Among other things, he said, a person would not be able to become
> an officer in the U.S. military if convicted of a felony.
> A statement from the Recording Industry Association of America seems to
> back Carter's point of view.
> "We support criminal prosecution of those who break the law and believe
> that effective deterrence is a necessary part of combating piracy," an
> RIAA spokeswoman wrote in an e-mail.
> In October, the RIAA sent a letter to 2,300 colleges and universities
> urging them to "impose effective remedies against violators." In
> response, colleges have "dramatically" stepped up their responses to
> piracy problems, according to Sheldon Steinbach, general counsel for
> the American Council on Education.
> "Although one would like to have a simple solution to the problem of
> misuse of university bandwidth, the congressman's proposed solution
> does not go to the core elements of the issue," Steinbach said of
> Carter's push to prosecute college file traders. "There is no simple
> Some students have been downloading copyrighted files since they were in
> junior high and seem to think it's a perfectly legitimate activity,
> Steinbach said. When they get to college, their ability to keep doing
> it is facilitated by many universities' large network capacity.
> "We have a unique opportunity and obligation to teach young men and
> women about the rights and obligations surrounding intellectual
> property," he said.
> Spanier said Penn State's approach is to educate students about illegal
> file trading and to enforce the rules within the university judicial
> At Penn State, students are limited to 1.5 GB of inbound or outbound
> traffic per week. If students exceed that allotment, they are given a
> series of warnings. After the third warning, their network access is
> If the school receives a notice from the RIAA, Motion Picture
> Association of America or other group that a student has violated
> copyright, the student will lose his or her network access and the
> school's office of judicial affairs will investigate the allegations.
> Penn State also has an ongoing educational program on the topic of file
> Universities could also explore developing a licensing arrangement with
> a music service that could give students free but legal access to
> music, Spanier said. The IT staff at Penn State is looking into this
> very idea.
> "In the eyes of some members of Congress, it would have a way of turning
> thousands of criminals into good citizens overnight," he said.
> One college network administrator said threatening jail time is not
> likely to stop illegal file trading.
> "I'm not sure that approaching this with a bigger hammer is going to
> help very much," said John Lerchey, computer and network security
> administrator at Carnegie Mellon University. "Whatever they are going
> to do (to discourage illegal file trading) has got to be consistent,
> and it's got to be very widespread.
> "I've heard from students that as long as the chance of them getting
> caught remains low, they're likely to continue to do peer-to-peer file
> sharing, regardless if they are violating copyright laws," Lerchey
> Colleges have not found an effective way to stop the problem of online
> piracy despite an increase in notices of violations from copyright
> Lerchey said that in the past few months, Carnegie Mellon has received,
> on average, about four requests per week from groups like the MPAA and
> RIAA to take action against pirates. Over the past few weeks, though,
> Universal Studios has bumped up the number of notices it sends to CMU
> to 20 or 30 per day, he said.
> When a request comes in, the offending machine is disconnected from the
> network, and the user typically loses network access for a set period
> of time. The school has not had a problem with repeat offenders.
> Still, for the time being, illegal file trading continues to grow on
> college campuses. Penn State's Spanier testified before the
> congressional subcommittee on intellectual property that it's a fair
> estimate that thousands of students on Penn's campus -- and other
> universities around the country -- illegally download copyrighted
> "I actually think (piracy is) aggravating for everyone involved,"
> Lerchey said. "It does take up time and energy -- there is a lot of
> things that I would rather be doing with my time. It's certainly an
> inconvenience for the people who get busted, and it's likely costing
> the MPAA and RIAA money because they are spending a lot of time looking
> for this stuff."
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